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i am usure which version of kernewek (cornish) this is in. i have it in 2 versions, but i have only put one up. if anyone knows can they change the "lyrics in cornish (kernewek)" to read appropriately please.

Flags

The "Policy" on flags (I'm assuming that means WP:FLAG) is no policy at all, an essay at best (WP:DCE).

Secondly, neither of them are "inappropriate" as they represent Cornwall (Which this is a defacto song of), aren't partizan or ambiguous, and are excellent for the illustration of this articel as the subject (A song) is unrepresentable with an image. 68.39.174.238 11:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello User 68.39.174.238 point taken on policy/essay BUT the flags are too much there are 2 for a start !! Do we have to plaster all articles with national symbols ?? I have put a question on the Cornwall talk page however I will give it a few days to see what people say I for one see it as detrimental to the article - Please see [God Save the Queen] for a better article on a patriotic song - Any sign of a Union Jack / ST Georges Cross etc ..... No... By the way I am not anti-cornish by any means, ask and I will tell you more Reedgunner 17:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC) WP:DCE amusingly by the way also an essay[reply]

"God Save the Queen" (Two brackets to a link) has other pictures to it, ones which I admit are more appropriate then flags, however this one does not. Also, DCE is an essay as it mainly seems to serve as a reminder that "policy is policy... and not essays", rather then needing to be a policy itself (If it was, it wouldn't be DCE but probably something like "Policy is only made up of pages that say "Policy" on them""). Anyway I'll see what Talk_Cornwall says. 68.39.174.238 02:54, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cornish "National" Anthem

I see that the reference to"Trelawny" being called the "national" anthem of Cornwall has been removed with the comment that Cornwall is not a nation. Which is correct ? Cornwall is considered by some to be a separate nation, within the country of England as it has its own Cornish language, posseses an official government ethnic code- (see Census 2001 Ethnic Codes) and is recognised as a Celtic nation by organisations such as the Celtic League (political organisation). "Nation" should not be confused with "country" - members of a "nation" share a common identity, usually a common origin, in the sense of history, ancestry, parentage or descent. A House of Lords ruling in 1983 said: ‘an ethnic group has a distinct identity, based on recognising a long shared history and having distinct cultural traditions which may be related to one or more of the following characteristics - ancestry, geographical origin, nationality, country of birth, cultural traditions, religion and language. See - "The Cornish: A Neglected Nation ?" from the BBC by Dr Mark Stoyle [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.216.240 (talk) 14:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As a Cornishman who considers his country to be England and his nationality to be British (and who therefore does not really have a politically-motivated POV on this subject), I would still describe "The Song of the Western Men" as Cornwall's "national anthem" for the reasons given above. I have always heard it described as such and I don't think it's a particularly POV thing to say. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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