Talk:Mega Man

Old discussions

Most of this section can probably be deleted - I've already deleted a large part of it. It focuses on an older version of the article, before the information was split off to multiple articles. --Boco XLVII 22:31, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Lots could be added to this page. (There were more than 30 Mega Man games, along with cartoon and manga appearances, and probably other stuff I don't even know about). A good resource for Mega Man info is The Mega Man Home Page. But don't plagiarize! :) -- Wapcaplet

Mega Man Zero picture

Regarding the Mega Man Zero screenshot present in the article. There are a few things that suggest that the caption, which reads as follows: 'Zero fights off several enemies in his first game, during the Neo Arcadia area.' is incorrect. First of all Zero is not present in the picture (although X is) and secondly that scene is nowhere to be found in Mega Man Zero 1. Masken 08:24, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Seperate game areas

I know my last humongous edit greatly expanded the page (yes, that was me, forgot to log in >_<) but I'd still like to add more. I'll be working on making seperate game areas for the Classic series, if anyone would like to work on the other series please contact me. -- Galapagos29

On a side note, whoever edited the MMX Boxart caption - that wasn't really neccessary, seeing as it was "Mega Man X" and not "Rockman X" that I wrote as the game title. -- Galapagos29

Formatting notes

In the game lists, the games should go in chronological order based on the release, I recently had to correct this in the BN area. Thanks :) - Galapagos29

I am not sure about that, for English is not my mother tongue, but I think there is a mistake in the "Notes" section of Mega Man X. "It should be notices..."? The correct spelling is "It should be noticed...", isn't it? By the way, I am translating the English Mega Man article into German. Great work! Feel honoured! --Luigi 18:47, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

As far as I know, you're correct. Thanks for fixing that. But anyway, I noticed that you had changed the Notes section of the Mega Man X area. I own Mega Man X6, and I know for a fact that all of the bosses in that game are named after Guns N' Roses members.

I've changed it back. I'm not too sure about MMX5, can someone verify this? Also, are you sure about those other notes? Duff McWhalen is a X6 boss. I'm not sure about the Quickman thing, but I'm almost positive that the music thing is incorrect. --Galapagos29

Duff McWhalen and all the other Guns 'n' Roses names are from X5, actually. The names in X6 were slightly more traditional after Capcom realized that the Guns 'n' Roses names were not well-liked in the US. Strangely, the names in X5 in Japan were not the Guns 'n' Roses names, but were more like the other names in the series. The names are as follows: Mega Man X5: Grizzly Slash, Duff McWhalen, Squid Adler, Izzy Glow, Dark Dizzy, Skiver, Mattrex, Axle the Red Mega Man X6: Commander Yammark, Ground Scaravich, Blaze Heatnix, Blizzard Wolfang, Rainy Turtloid, Metal Shark Player, Shield Sheldon, Infinity Mijinion I am not as familiar with the music of the late X games as I am with the early classic series, so somebody else will need to review that note to make sure it's accurate. Aerion 22:57, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Damn, you're right. Sorry about that. <_< -- Galapagos29

Mega Man Classic Guides added

OK, I went through and added some short mini-guides to the Mega Man Classic games. I was going to do them for the GB games also, but got lazy. >_< I did it off of memory, so correct anything you see is wrong. -- Galapagos29

The mini-guide was removed because it was very long and it doesn't really belong on Wikipedia. I added it to Wikibooks instead. Maybe you can help fill it out into a full FAQ. ~ FriedMilk 10:32, 2004 Aug 29 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I'll try and keep that in mind next time. -- Galapagos29

Mihoshi 14:49, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC) Perhaps this entry should be divided into a description of the character then links to the different game series, like the Mario entry.

Galapagos29 Whoever did the Zero 3 section needs help. This is not a place for fanfics.

MegaMan's spelling

According to every title screen I've seen for the games, "Mega Man" should probably have a space in it. Has this been contradicted by the manga or cartoons or whatnot? If there is no space, then there should probably not be camelcaps. -- Wapcaplet 00:27, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I believe that MegaMan is how you spell his name, at least in the newer games. -- Whisper

In many instances, Mega Man's name is spelled as "MegaMan"

For instance, in the Viz manga, his name is spelled as one word: http://www.viz.com/onlinemanga/mm-hi-chapter-1.html

The logos show the name as "MegaMan", but Capcom's website spells his name as "Mega Man". WhisperToMe 06:34, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The English games are generally inconsistent. For copy text, Capcom has always used the two-word "Mega Man" version, and still does so today, but the games are pretty much split between "Megaman" and "Mega Man".

In the Battle Network series, though, it is always spelled "MegaMan" (no space, capital M on "Man").

The Japanese names (for Rockman and the other Robot Masters) are generally written without spaces, though this contradicts some of the games' stage-select screens. Because I'm more familiar with the Japanese canon, I use the Japanese convention in writing, but can we achieve some kind of consensus on whether or not to use the space, where to capitalise, and whether the EXE/BN serious should have different rules from the original series? --Boco XLVII 22:31, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Title

Can we please move this back to "Mega Man"? It's unneeded to have "Series" in the title? WhisperToMe 22:32, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This way disambiguates the metaseries, the classic series, and the main character. --Boco XLVII 22:31, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Neo Mega Buster

With reagards tot that current controversy, Googling "Neo Mega Buster" or "Neo Megabuster" returns no hits. Khanartist 01:51, 2005 Jan 2 (UTC)

With regards to the anonymous user, the consensus on this page is currently four-to-one against you. The American manuals clearly state that you are wrong. Japanese information (yours is also incorrect, by the way, as it was Rock Buster in the JAP version of MMIV)) does not take precedence for an article on the US versions of the games, or else it would not even be titled Mega Man series, as that is not the Japanese title. As this is becoming a revert war, I'm putting this up for protection. Please respond. Khanartist 03:07, 2005 Jan 5 (UTC)

You forgot to sign.

Okay, I'm going to have to ask... what the heck? "Neo" was bad enough, but "Super" and "Hyper"? I've never heard these terms used before, and I've done quite a bit of MM-related browsing in the past. I apologize if the language offends anyone (even if it's abbreviated), but somebody's making up some serious BS.

Yeah, you heard me. You keep reciting like some deranged otaku that Rockman automatically overrules any information in the Mega Man series, yet never ONCE supply information or sources or any of that necessary crap. Provide it ASAP, or we can just consider you overruled.

And please don't even THINK of going in and changing all those "Dr. Light"s into "Dr. Right"s... THAT would be seriously OTT. --Shadow Hog 03:11, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I have never heard the prefixes "Neo", "Super", or "Hyper" on the phrase "Mega Buster" in any official context. I haven't read all infinity billion Mega Man fanfics out there. Maybe they appear there. But as we all (should) know, fanfics officially do not count for anything. As for "plasma cannon" vs. "arm cannon" (note: both not proper nouns), I don't think it really matters either way. I seem to remember "arm cannon" being favored in the cartoons, and "plasma cannon" being favored by people who wondered what the "P" stood for in the subscreens in the first three games. But I don't recall the weapon being called a "Mega Buster" at any point prior to Mega Man 4.

As for using the game manuals as sources, I'd only say to be wary because Capcom has a terrible habit of contradicting themselves, and being generally inaccurate in their manuals. Actually, I'm convinced that Capcom does not care in any way about continuity, and in fact doesn't really care if the English names they use are consistent. So there may not be any one right answer in this debate. (Except, of course, that "Neo Mega Buster" is complete and utter nonsense. In 13 years of fandom, I've never heard of it. I'll believe that one when I see proof.) Aerion //talk 16:37, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi. This is the "Neo Mega Buster" guy. I realize that you've probably never heard this term before, but I wouldn't have put it in if I didn't have reason to believe it was accurate.

I post at the Mega Man X message boards on GameFAQs under the name "TPiR Fan;" I'm considered something of an expert on the series over there. (That's not bragging; it's just stating a fact.) I've gathered much of my information on the series over the years by listening to people who have access to sources that were never released outside of Japan. These include things known as "sourcebooks," which is where I'm led to believe these Mega Buster terms have come from. (And for what it's worth, the term "Super Mega Buster" does appear in the first scene of the Game Boy version of Mega Man V, before the stage select comes up.) I myself have not seen any of these (and it wouldn't help if I had, since I don't know Japanese), but if you contact Boco47 (boco@chibiusa-loves-hotaru.zzn.com), I feel confident that he will confirm my information. If he can't, then revert the names to the way they were before; you have my word that they won't be altered again.

Oh, and as for the Otaku bit...no. Honestly, I find that a little insulting. While I do consider Japanese terms more accurate, I use the majority of the American terms myself.

If you'd like to discuss this further, or discuss anything else about Mega Man, my e-mail address is stevegavazzi@hotmail.com, and my AIM contact is TPiRFanSteve.

The term "Super Mega Buster" does not appear in the opening for Mega Man V (GB). The text mentions that Mega Man's weapon is called the "Mega Buster" (no prefix). As it is unable to damage Terra, his weapon is upgraded, for one game only, to the "Mega Arm." The weapon allows Mega Man to fire off his fist, which goes out a short distance and then returns to him. It is certainly more powerful than the Mega Buster, as it can damage the Stardroids, but it's also not as practical.

As for contacting somebody else to confirm your information, I have to decline, primarily out of laziness, and secondarily out of skepticism. While I don't doubt your self-description as an expert, you're still going to need to offer some proof other than "contact my friend" in order to convince me, especially since the regular editors of this article would probably also consider themselves experts of some sort.

Since you acknowledge that we have "probably never heard this term before," I think it's fair to say that it's not common in American usage. This article, by virtue of its title, has an American focus. If the information stands, then I would suggest that it be moved to a separate place in the article, as it's just cluttering the caption right now. Aerion //talk 07:33, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This is the aforementioned Boco (@chibiusa-loves-hotaru.zzn.com), though I'm not sure why I was dragged into this. The term "Neo Mega Buster" is a neologism. The correct term is "New Rock Buster" (ニューロックバスター), as it is called in Rockman 4 and Rockman World 3. Check the intro of Rockman 4 or the Complete Works version of 4 or 5 for confirmation of this. The American version's name may vary. "Super Rock Buster" (スーパーロックバスター) and "Hyper Rock Buster" (ハイパーロックバスター) are indeed the names of the mk.3 and mk.4 Rock Busters, and this can be confirmed in everything from Marvel VS CAPCOM 2 movelists to the manuals for the games they first appear in (Rockman 5 and Rockman 6 respectively).

Point taken. I don't like it very much, but since you obviously don't like mine, either, let's just drop the issue. :-) There are certainly more important things to be worry about than this, even with regard with Mega Man.

The term is in that game, though -- I feel quite safe in saying that, since I just saw it last night. Once you select "Game Start," Dr. Light tells Mega Man that he's developed a new weapon that "will replace your Super Mega Buster."

Aagh, you're right. I must have missed it last night because I was fed up with pressing A every three or four words thanks to the small screen. ... But since not more than 60 seconds earlier in the game, Mega Man calls it a "Mega Buster", I lay the blame for this on Capcom's typical non-deterministic translation. Aerion //talk 16:32, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Also, this page should probably be unprotected now. Aerion //talk 16:36, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Mrrf... I change one misconception (MM3 didn't have a Mega Buster), and all of a sudden we have all THIS problem... I say we change it back to "Arm Cannon", remove all the Mega Buster stuff, and leave it at that. Does anyone agree? --Shadow Hog 01:07, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The weapon has been called "Rock Buster" since the first game. Maybe that's not true in the American continuity (if you can call it that..), but... --Boco

If it's not true in the American ... um ... storyline (even that term is questionable), it should be not much more than a footnote, and certainly not so close to the top of the page. I still stand by the point that the caption is horribly bloated, and we should try to restrict it to 2-3 lines of text. This entire issue could be nearly eliminated if we just replaced the screenshot with one from Mega Man 4 or later. (That would be the cheap way out, but I'm not opposed to it.) Aerion //talk 05:04, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Alright, I've drastically shortened the caption so that it no longer takes up twice as much space as the picture itself. Considering that this is the Mega Man series article, the stuff about his weapon doesn't really belong in the article, much less in the picture caption. I'd recommend putting it on Mega Man (character) instead. (I don't necessarily agree with the splitting of the article, but as long as it is split like this we should make an effort to keep information in the correct place.) Aerion //talk 04:06, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

By the way, the "Super Mega Buster" is mentioned in the Megaman OVA (the English-langauge one made in Japan using the American canon - that is, the first of the 3 OVAs on the recent "Upon a Star" DVD release). --Boco XLVII 22:31, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

In the Anniversary Collection, they use Mega Buster in 1-3 in the navigation texts that were awkwardly translated from Complete Works. So there's that as well.

Link plz

I keep hearing people saying "OMG THIS ISN'T A FANLISTING GO CHECK THE FEATURED ARTICLE NOMINATIONS" and all that stuff. But... I didn't see anything. Mustn't be looking in the right area if it IS there, so I'd kinda like a little pointer/link toward the relevant stuff everyone's so hyper about.

Likewise, I think this is the only page on Wikipedia I've seen so far where people discourage posting links to single websites instead of these big category links. Hence why I'm so interested as to why everyone's so up-tight about it all. --Shadow Hog 05:52, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Archived_nominations/Index/September_2004#Mega_Man

While I don't see the harm in having a link to a news site like PMM or MMN, people object to it because it will make others think they can just add whatever links they want.. Anyway, the objection about there not being a "Mega Man" category for all the various Rockman-related pages is still valid. --Boco XLVII 13:49, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I should've known that by "discussion" they didn't mean "talk page"...

Actually, I dunno. There are a LOT more Mega Man pages nowadays than there was 3-4 months ago. Met (Megaman), Maverick (video game), Mega Man (character), Dr. Light, Dr. Wily... just a few examples. --Shadow Hog 17:12, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You know, I REALLY think you people are being way too up-tight over this. It lost what, ONE vote? And then we're all of a sudden like "oh noz, we msut not pots anee linx!"? Loosen up, for crying out loud, a few links to some of the more trustworthy sites (like Boco's examples) will not hurt the page. Seriously, this is the ONLY page I've seen people too afraid to make any links except these boring directories. Heck, even the former Featured Article All your base has fairly pertainent fan links, so that objection wasn't even really a very good one; if somebody tries to decline based on that argument again, just put that fact back at them.. --Shadow Hog 04:12, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Category? Article naming?

Should there be a "Mega Man" category? How should it be spelled ("Mega Man" or "Megaman", as "MegaMan" is only used in EXE/BN)?
Also, what names should be used for specific articles within the category to disambiguate them (for example, the character pages - just the character name, or the character followed by (character), or the character folowed by (video game character), or the character followed by (Mega Man) or (Megaman), etc...)?
I eventually would like to help write full articles for each of the boss characters in the series (RMs from original, Irregulars from X, Hunters from Zero, Navis/Operators from EXE.. I'm unfamiliar with Dash so I don't know if there are boss characters with well-developed but little-known backgrounds).--Boco XLVII 22:31, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yes; "Mega Man"; not sure what you mean, but if there's already an existing article to disambig with, then if it came first, just the name, else, add "Mega Man", that's about as specific as you can get; Legends/Dash DOES have some bosses with backstories, like the Bonne family (eg: Tron Bonne), for instance. That help any? --Shadow Hog 04:12, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

So, for example, a page about Roll should be Roll (Mega Man) and not Roll (character)? And all of the current Mega Man pages that need disambiguating names should be changed over to that style as well? --Boco XLVII 05:09, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that'd be the best way to disambiguate MM's Roll from, say, a Roll in some random show called Super Granny's Adventures in Kenya. As for question number two, no. Keep 'em as they are until a conflict comes up, THEN move it to "[insert name here] (Mega Man)". Otherwise we'll be tossing pages all over the place. --Shadow Hog 07:20, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

As can be seen at Robot Master I have been using the Japanese convention when writing names. Should I switch all of these to include the space or not?

Also, if I were to, say, make a Gutsman page about how much he loves karaoke, would it be Gutsman, Guts Man, Gutsman (Mega Man), Guts Man (Mega Man), or what? --Boco XLVII 01:06, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I say Guts Man, though if a conflict comes up (Aqua Man's a definite, there being a DC Comic character named Aquaman and everything), then slap on "(Mega Man)" (Aqua Man (Mega Man)). Of course, this is just my opinion... --Shadow Hog 03:33, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Manga listing

Why is there a list of the amnga available here? It's both rather incomplete and rather unneccessarry. And very long compared to the important information. --Boco XLVII 00:32, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Fan sites

As happens every so often, an anonymous user has added a fansite to the External links section. This time it's Mandi's site:

*The Mega Man Homepage by Miranda Paugh one of the most popular Mega Man-sites on the web

Apparently, in this article, listing of fan sites is discouraged. However, random users are going to continue re-adding removed links (mostly in good faith) unless something is done about it. There is no obvious policy in place here on the Talk page (not that it would do much to curb the effect of anons, but it would be a start). If necessary, place a comment in the wiki source that explicitly says not to add fansite links.

Now for a personal opinion. Why not list a few fan sites in the links section? We can probably all agree that MMHP, at least, would be a good place to start. It's certainly a wealth of information, accumulated over the more than 10 years since Mandi started it while at DigiPen. It's much more than we can (or should!) provide here. While linking to directories as we do now accomplishes the task of providing the reader with more sources of information, it would be nice to refer readers to those sites with strong reputations, where they can expect to find information in healthy quantity AND quality.

We could place a limited number of fansite links in the External links section; only a few which could seriously be considered useful resources for a reader seeking information beyond what Wikipedia has to offer. Then place a comment specifically instructing editors to seek approval on the Talk page before adding a new fansite link. Aerion //talk 07:02, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have no problem with links to certain specific fansites (see my comments above). But I don't think Mandi's site should be one of them.. yes, it's famous, but it also has incorrect information. The best site to add for English readers I think would be a news site like Planet Megaman or Megaman Network. But I'll let someone else work out the details. --Boco XLVII 13:36, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Oh. Different disscussion than I was thinking of.

Still. My opinion on the matter: fan sites are just fine, and shouldn't have stopped Mega Man from being a featured article. See other featured articles like Doom and All your base are belong to us.

Granted, these must be within reason; we don't link to just ANY fan site, only the bigger and better ones, or ones with pertainent information. But THEY'RE OKAY. If they weren't, the aforementioned examples wouldn't have been made featured articles; but they were. --Shadow Hog 17:01, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The status quo is absolutely preferable over the current situation at Final Fantasy. (I know Shadow Hog has seen that one, and I know nobody wants that to happen here.) But like I said before, if the links can be kept under control (possibly by leaving a comment in the wiki source that tells editors not to add sites without checking the Talk page), I think it's a good idea.

As for MMHP having "incorrect information," I suppose it might, somewhere, but doesn't everybody? I think its value comes in the way the information is laid out, in a user-friendly format. (Or maybe I'm just reminiscing about the "good old days," when there were approximately six Mega Man sites in existence. In that case, you can ignore me.) As for PMM and MMN, yeah, they're pretty much no-brainers for inclusion. I have a hard time imagining picking one over the other, at least when they're both fully functional (which is apparently not the case right now). Aerion //talk 06:30, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Gaming Collaboration of the week nomination

Hey,

If anyone is interested, the original Megaman game, Mega Man (NES), was just nominated for the gaming collaboration of the week. If anyone wants to have it become the GCOTW, then you need to vote at the GCOTW page. Hopefully, this can become a great artical. --ZeWrestler 14:54, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of RPG characters.

As part of the present proposal to expand the criteria for speedy deletion, it has been suggested that all RPG characters that do not have a basis for existence in a book or other offline medium should be deleted. I suspect this was well-intentioned effort but seems unreasonably broad. Since this could be easily expanded into Megaman character's, I figure that editiors who work on this series need to be made aware of the impact of this proposal.

See: Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/7.

--ZeWrestler 12:36, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

These refer to player characters that players design, for example, a tabletop RPG character or an MMORPG character. It does not apply to, say, Zidane Tribal. Our Rockman characters are safe. --Boco XLVII 15:30, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's supposed to, but reread the thing and notice how incredibly vague it is. There's a proposal in the Talk page of that aricle that tightens it up to be as you say, but ultimately, that's not how it stands right now. --Shadow Hog 16:32, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, if the proposal was the way it was suggested in the talk page, then it would be safe, but its too vague and because of this, Rockman character articles could even be deleted. --ZeWrestler 16:43, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia Inaccuracy

The voice actors of Mega Man and Dr. Wily were not switched. If you looked at Internet Movie Database you'll notice that Mega Man was voiced by a completely different actor in Captain N. However it is true that Ian Corlett who voiced Wily in Captain N voiced Mega Man (along with some other characters) in the Ruby-Spears Mega Man cartoon. I've changed this part of the trivia-section.

The PC-games and other 3rd party releases

Why is there no mention of the old Mega Man PC-games, the Wonderswan version of "Rockman & Forte", the Tiger LCD-versions of MM2 & 3 or even the obscure Game Gear release?