Talk:Wii

45 Million

Here are several sites that list the updated Wii sales: - http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion/30/2008-s-console-sales-nintendo-rules-microsoft-wins-sony-tries-/224691/ - http://www.edge-online.com/news/ms-360-life-date-sales-hit-28m - http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/wii-sports-is-best-selling-game-ever/1276855 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xander756 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC) - http://blog.mlive.com/manzero/2009/01/wii_sports_passes_super_mario.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xander756 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

The 45 million number comes from VG Chartz, which is not a reliable source. They BS their numbers, and per WP:VG should be avoided. TJ Spyke 00:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I find it hard to believe Aaron Greenberg uses VGChartz to keep track of his competition. Please list where it states he is guessing before reverting again (also, should you be reverting something that isn't vadalism?). --Xander756 (talk) 00:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Read the article again. The 45 million statement is not in quotations, meaning the writer of the article (Kris Graft) is stating the 45 million number. Greenberg only talks about Xbox 360 numbers and how far they are ahead of the PS3, he never mentions the Wii numbers. The 45 million number is BS and not true. Hell, take a look at your first source for proof its from VGC. TJ Spyke 00:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

You are the one that said you have sources which are quoting Greenberg as guessing at this as the worldwide sales figure for the Wii. Now you are saying that he never said it at all? --Xander756 (talk) 00:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I was mistaken when I said that, I had read the original source too fast. I have checked again though (you should too), Greenberg never said that. It was Kris Graft who did. The 45 million number is definitely from VG Chartz, and we don't use their BS numbers. TJ Spyke 00:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Well hey, if you want false and out-dated information then who am I to stand against the "person who made Wii a featured article". Obviously, you are right and I am wrong. That's why I always hate trying to edit articles on wiki that have people that watch over them because they have such arrogant egos that it's like they don't want any contributions to the article unless they make it or approve. Let me know when you create a video game and I'll be sure to check it out. --Xander756 (talk) 06:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

How is the current info false? It says 34.55 million as of September 30. That is right from Nintendo itself. It is better to have slightly out of date info that is TRUE and from a reliable source than to have BS info from a unreliable source. TJ Spyke 06:23, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I would disagree, the 45 million is correct according to many reliable sources such as ign, gamestop, and gamespy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metroid476 (talk • contribs) 00:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

No, they are just citing the same unreliable source: VG Chartz. The number is still false. TJ Spyke 00:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

then i think the question is why would more than three reliable sources cite an unreliable one? I think i even saw it on the featured section of cnn.com. However, i agree with you. any info on this topic should come from nintendo itself and not these unreliable sitesMetroid476 (talk) 03:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I only have theories (since you would have to ask them why, and hope they would actually answer). One is that they like reporting sales numbers and don't care where they come from. The second is that a subscription to NPD costs a lot of money (I don't remember the exact amount, but it's over $10,000 per month) and they may not want to spend that kind of money, especially sites that don't cover video games full time. TJ Spyke 04:06, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah I see the sales have been changed. Looks like I was right all along. I shall await your apology. --Xander756 (talk) 16:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

No, you were still wrong since VG Chartz is not a reliable source. Their guesses are once in awhile close. They are other times really far off, their December Wii numbers were wrong by more than 500,000 (which is which is a huge amount to be wrong by). It's not that hard to estimate where Wii sales will be since its sales are consistent. TJ Spyke 17:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Here's a towel. Wipe that egg off your face. --Xander756 (talk) 00:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

There's no egg on my face. VH Chartz's guesses are sometimes close. Did you also ignore the fact that their December Wii numbers were wrong by more than 500 THOUSAND? I'm starting to think you are either ioi (the joke of a editor who runs the site) or work for the site. TJ Spyke 00:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I was permabanned from VGChartz for pointing out their numbers were inaccurate. --Xander756 (talk) 05:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

First off, you aren't permabanned, not anymore anyway. Second I think you're ban had more to do with you taunting everybody. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 06:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I still am unable to login so I guess I'm still banned. And to my knowledge, I was banned for posting comments on LBPs page requesting the numbers to be fixed. The comment was deleted several times so I kept posting it, because there's no reason to hide it. After awhile, I was banned. Anyway, it doesn't change the fact that I owned TJ Spyke! He was wrong and still can't admit it. Hahaha...silly wikipedian power trip.--Xander756 (talk) 16:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

This is your account, isn't it? Also about the LBP numbers, Kaz Hirai said "1.3 million unique users", not how many people bought the game. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 16:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Comparing with the official NPD numbers, LBP's sales in America are overtracked by several hundred thousand. --Xander756 (talk) 17:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't care what you think. You didn't own me. Am I supposed to be impressed that their guess was close? They are not a reliable site. They are also a joke when they are wrong, I loved the spin they tried make when their December numbers for Wii were off by more than 500 Thousand (and not the first time they have been wrong). TJ Spyke 17:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

If we were to eliminate every reliable source that has made a mistake, how many would we have left? Also, prove to me that NPD numbers are reliable. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 17:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

That is a huge number to be off by, and it's far from the first time. As for NPD, how about the fact that every single game publisher uses NPD? The fact that NPD openly says what stores they track, how much they extrapolate, what their methods are, etc. while VG Chartz refuses to provide any info? That's like saying "prove to me Nielsen is reliable for album sales". Bottom line, NPD is reliable while VG Chartz isn't. Their numbers will not be allowed on this page and will be reverted as vandalism. TJ Spyke 17:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

"NPD openly says what stores they track, how much they extrapolate, what their methods are" Would you kindly provide a link. I've never seen them doing it, or Media Create, or ChartTrack, etc. Also, Media Create, Famitsu and Dengeki disagree a lot of times, but I don't see you claiming one is reliable, while the others are not. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 18:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

ChartTrack almost never releases numbers, that's why we rarely have European data. Media Create and Famitsu are rival professional tracking services (not a wannabe fan site that makes up data). NPD: [1]. TJ Spyke 18:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

You and I have a different definition of openly. Might as well add this "VG Chartz estimated sell-through figures are arrived at by tracking sample data from an ever-expanding panel of retail partners and benchmarking the sample data against known reference points (manufacturer shipment figures for example).". Rhonin the wizard (talk) 18:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The fact that publishers use NPD though supports them. It's all a moot point anyways, VG Charzt is not allowed as a source on Wikipedia due to them being an unreliable source. TJ Spyke 18:22, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Codemasters have cited VGChartz. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 18:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

And Codemasters became a laughingstock on the Internet. Even VG Chartz said the 500K number for Dirt was shipped numbers and not sold (NPD uses actual sold numbers, meaning how many people buy the game). Considering that your favorite site said that the first week the game sold 290K in the US and Europe [2]. Based on actual NPD numbers, it became clear that Codemasters just wanted to hype up the game to boost sales (the Xbox 360 version was only 20th in it's first month (and sales continued to be low). TJ Spyke 19:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

That sure showed him! --Xander756 (talk) 17:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Not really I've been busy with university exams, sorry for the late reply. @TJ Spyke I don't really care for what reason Codemasters used the numbers. All publishers use sales numbers to hype their games. Some use spin and try to make their situation look better. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 17:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

You are right about that. It was funny to see Sony say that the PlayStation "family" (meaning PS2, PS3, PSP combined) was #1 since the PS2 and PS3 were being outsold by the Wii and Xbox 360 and PSP outsold by DS, so they wanted to spin that somehow to help them. TJ Spyke 18:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be updated it is now almost mid-march 2009, clearly over 50 million have been sold.--Cooly123 (talk) 19:00, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

We don't list what it "probably" is. We update when there is a reliable source. The last reliable source for total sales was the period ending December 31. I also doubt 5 million systems have been sold in only 2 months (especially since January and February are not big months in terms of sales numbers). TJ Spyke 19:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

An article on BBC News today puts sales as breaking the 50 million mark, quoting Nintendo's Satoru Iwata - Does that count as a reliable source or does it need to cite actual sales figures? sjwk (talk) 00:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

There is already a GameSpot reference in the article that reports the 50 million number (in the System Sales section). So it would probably be best to just use that ref. TJ Spyke 00:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, missed that one, sorry. Should the infobox be updated or does that only happen at end of a given sales period? sjwk (talk) 00:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

It's an official statement from Nintendo, so I guess it can be updated in the infobox. I'm not sure though. TJ Spyke 00:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Link to Wii Wiki on Wikia?

I have noticed that many pages link to external wikis and I was wondering if there was any reason why I shouldn't link to the Wii Wiki on Wikia. GT5162 ^{(我的对话页)} 21:32, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure that site passes WP:EL. TJ Spyke 21:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Wii sales down under

If I am not wrong the Wii sales are unknown in Austraila, why? Are there in sources to vertify the Wii sales in Austraila? mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 09:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Nintendo puts Wii sales in 3 categories: "Japan", "North America", "Other". I think you can guess where Australia is (unless you are terrible at geography). TJ Spyke 16:46, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Wii blocks to kilobytes

So, nobody even mentions Wii blocks in the article, which is the unit of measurement used by Nintendo for space. And don't quote a forum as a source! Does anybody know how many Wii blocks equals to how many kilobytes? Or even megabytes. And by the normal measurement, not this BS measurement of "maybe-bytes" or anything like that, because, working with computers for 30 years, nobody uses these Wikipedian forms of measurement that two users cooked up to confuse the world. MB = 1 megabyte, which is 1024 KB (kilobytes), etc. Mb and Kb are for kilobits, and a number like 800k means kilobytes. There are 8 bits per byte. In the gaming word of bits, 1000 bits equals a kilobit, etc. It doesn't go with the Microsoft forms of measurement, which the rest of computer world uses.

Now, take a 2 GB SD card. It has 15,000 blocks. Divide the actual, down to the byte capacity of that so-called 2 GB SD card, and that equals 15,000 Wii blocks. But since there's no accurate citation on it, that's just a guess. Coffee4binky (talk) 05:05, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

New criticism

I've found some articles mentioning the Wii's game library being much weaker than the other consoles. I also remember a scathing critic of the originality of the Wii itself(the processing power, the wiimote itself, etc). Is it okay to add them? YVNP (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

No. Not every single bit of criticism needs to go in. You could find similar complaints about the PS3 and Xbox 360 too. TJ Spyke 00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Region-free?

Just wondering, is the Wii region-free or is it region-locked? Because I've been staring at Oboro Muramasa for about an hour today at a retail store. Haven't decided on picking up the game yet exactly because of the region question. Any ideas? (Psychoneko (talk) 14:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC))

Since I am in a good mood I won't chew you out for not reading the article (see Wii#Software library). The Wii is region-locked. You can get around that though if you have the Homebrew Channel (do a Google search if you don't know what that is). TJ Spyke 14:45, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I think region-lockout should be included in the info-box, it'd make it easier for people who are in a rush (like I was). (Psychoneko (talk) 17:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC))

Ben Croshaw

Should we mention Ben Croshaw's opinion on the Wii? I mean, he's an astablished reviewer who has been mentioned alot on other pages. Strong Intelligent (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC).

Never heard of him. In my opinion, no. I wouldn't mind hearing what others think though. TJ Spyke 21:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

In his Internet series Zero Punctuation, he recently mentioned in his MadWorld review that "Why does no-one listen to me when I say the Wii is crap?" Strong Intelligent (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC).

Considering how many things Yahtzee rails against (JRPGs, remakes, Halo and FPSs which copy it), it's hardly noteworthy that he says the Wii is crap. -- VederJuda (talk) 13:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Clarity

The wii can't actually play dvd's ay? but there have been some homebrews that allow it. article is a little bit confusing. IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 17:07, 17 April 2009 (UTC)