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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Bryan Derksen (talk | contribs) at 14:09, 5 May 2009 (→Template:R68/20: Not sure that the new Rlink template is a good idea, actually.). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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Template:Beta software

Template:Beta software (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

"This article or section contains information about computer software currently in development." Um.. so? Why the hellheck should we notify our readers about this? We don't do disclaimers. And we especially don't do disclaimers that stay forever in articles (like in Mozilla Firefox#Future features). Conti|✉ 22:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:R68/20

Template:R68/20 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A set of 29 (of 125) unused chemical-risk templates, now superceded by new Template:Rlink, which links a chemical R-code to the article "List of R-phrases". Originally, 125 R-templates were created in 2005 (when few templates had parameters), but now the new template {{Rlink|rcode}} can replace all 125 old templates; however, many are still used. This TfD begins the debate. PLAN OF ACTION: delete the unused templates among the 125, starting with 29 named: R39/*, R48/* or R68/*:

Template:R39/23
Template:R39/23/24
Template:R39/23/24/25
Template:R39/23/25
Template:R39/24
Template:R39/24/25
Template:R39/25
Template:R39/26
Template:R39/26/27
Template:R39/26/27/28
Template:R39/26/28
Template:R39/27
Template:R39/27/28
Template:R39/28
Template:R48/20/21
Template:R48/20/21/22
Template:R48/20/22
Template:R48/21/22
Template:R48/23/24
Template:R48/23/24/25
Template:R48/23/25
Template:R48/24/25
Template:R68/20
Template:R68/20/21
Template:R68/20/21/22
Template:R68/20/22
Template:R68/21
Template:R68/21/22
Template:R68/22

Most of those old templates were never used, since being created 4 years ago (2005); others have been unlinked, as replaced by the new {{Rlink|rcode}}. -Wikid77 (talk) 19:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The new Rlink template is impressive but I'm not sure it's a good idea to switch over to it. Every time the new Rlink is called it causes the server to process 126 #ifeq statements. There are a lot of chemistry articles out there, this could potentially be a significant burden. Also, templates with parameters are more complicated for inexperienced users, and parameters are demonstrably unneeded for this since the existing set of templates gets the same results without them. Why is this approach superior to the existing one? I'm asking genuinely, BTW, not just because I did a bunch of grunt work cleaning up and creating those templates years ago. I don't actually know how much work WikiMedia has to do with parser commands like Rlink uses. Bryan Derksen (talk) 14:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Current court case

Template:Current court case (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Currently unused. I don't dispute the template itself this time (if it's properly used per its guidelines), but it's simply too specific. There are rarely more than one or two current court cases that are also current events, so there's not much of a need for a specific template. Especially if {{current||court case}} can do exactly the same, anyhow. Conti|✉ 16:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Template:R from other capitalisation

Template:R from other capitalisation (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) and
Category:Redirects from other capitalisations(edit talk links history) per WP:CDP

nominated for deletion: Delete as useless (see discussion copied below). R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(copied from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 May 4#Category:Redirects from other capitalisations.)

  • Nominator's rationale: Delete. This category serves no real purpose. Over the past few years, many editors have asked why it exists and unsurprisingly their questions have gone unanswered. This category requires bots to constantly add redirects. And in doing so, the bots block legitimate page moves. The category provides little to no benefit to re-users of our content, to readers, or to editors. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:07, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Huh... I've known about this category for years and I never really thought about it, but now I do I can't see any possible use. It's obvious when a redirect is from another capitalisation, anyway. Robofish (talk) 06:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I've always wondered what the hell this was for. I guess it's probably as useless as I thought it was. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:47, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as useless. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless a defence can be made. ({{R from other Capitalization}} is a nice touch though.) Occuli (talk) 13:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I created this a couple of years back, but cannot at this point remember my reasoning. I do have one concern, but just a procedural one. This is a category populated mostly by template. In such cases, is it not proper procedure to take the template to WP:TFD first, and then G8 the category? Or are you leaving the template behind? It's not been marked for TFD yet. I'm puzzled as to why the category might be deleted, but the template left. - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
One possibility I just spotted included Wikipedia:WikiProject Red Link Recovery/Capitalisation. This page has not been updated in almost a year, so it may be moot, but it appears to be a project that used either the category or template to generate it's contents.
I'm also going to drop a note on the talk page of the template about this discussion. Since I cannot add much for or against this deletion, I'm hoping someone from there might remember what the intended purpose of the category/template is. - TexasAndroid (talk) 13:42, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The template and category could not generate a to-do list for this project; it consists of titles for which redirects ought to be created, whereas this template marks redirects which have already been created. The only viable correlation is for the template/category to serve as a measurement of progress made by the wiki-project. Even if the accuracy of this weren't vastly undermined by bots indiscriminately "tagging" such redirects, the disadvantages would still outweigh any possible benefit. — CharlotteWebb 14:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(moved by R'n'B from CFD to TFD at this point.)

  • Delete - too broad a categorization, and per the above concern that the bot-categorized redirects become an administrative headache if someone wants to move the page to the other capitalization. –xeno talk 15:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Maintenance templates that have real, practical uses should be kept, even when few people know what they do. But in this case, the possible benefit seems undetectable. The bot edits that add this template prevent easy reversal of page moves. EdJohnston (talk) 15:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - should {{R from CamelCase}} get the same treatment or does it actually have a purpose? --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm ambivalent about that as those are less likely to obstruct legitimate moves. When properly used that template serves more as a reminder that "this redirect is a lot older than you are", being an artifact of the way articles were titled back in the day and that deleting the redirect might break a bunch of links in old revisions etc. However the problem in the case at hand applies mostly to pages freshly created at (or moved to) a sub-optimal title. If somebody moves an article and slaps a silly "sorting" tag on the redirect, reverting the page-move will require admin-rights or a lot of paperwork. In short, if somebody moves "JohnSmith" to "John Smith" it will probably be less open to debate than "Least Weasel" vs. "least weasel" or "History of the Internet" vs. "History of the internet", etc. My own theory is that most of this could be avoided if the software at least made it harder to inadvertently create or link to pages which differ only in spacing or capitalization, and that "redirects from other capitalisation" should be automatic provided no real page exists between here and there. More on this later. — CharlotteWebb 17:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's a Category deletion policy? Seriously? --MZMcBride (talk) 19:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Simplify, as good idea but too much overhead. It inspired me to write Template:Wikisearchbox to foster a search-engine interface for title-lookup on numerous pages. I have used the category extensively to speedy-delete so many "improbable" (hello?) redirects, such as someone thinking people actually type in long article names (not using wikilinks?): "18 March 2003 Parliamentary Approval for the invasion of Iraq". That category revealed many thousands of wasted titles on Wikipedia, and provided evidence for the need to lookup any-case titles. Don't get me started on the day (or decade or century) when all software & browsers will allow multi-word, any-case search (call it "hunt"), even to find a phrase on the current page. "I have seen the future" after the college-dropout billionaires retire: there's this radical technology called "text" waiting to be discovered. -Wikid77 (talk) 04:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete only will be seen by Wiki editors, and what value does it provide. No one has provided a convincing argument about its usefulness for maintenance or such. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 04:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I always wondered what is was for. It seems the answer is nothing. --Apoc2400 (talk) 10:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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