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MFN/NTR

I figured MFN might be a generic term, but the article was clearly US-centric so I moved it to NTR, and the redirect got created automatically (it was the best available option at the time, really). You added the right stuff easily, so all is well. --Shallot 19:13, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Reverting

When you revert, can you please mark your revert by placing either "revert" or "rv" in the edit summary, ideally with a reason. Eg, against a common vandal, one might write "reverting blanking of page". That makes the page history easier to read at a later date. Martin 20:41, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

OK, makes sense. Curps 00:46, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

SOHO: thanks for pointing that out. I made the title how it is in the other Wikipedia:WikiProject Telescopes pages. I've been wondering if we should include more info on the image used in the infobox, as you put in. If you've an opinion, post it to the talk page. --zandperl 21:16, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Good point. What would you think if I moved the image of the sun down the page and put an image of the satellite/telescope itself in the infobox? I think that's how most of the other telescope pages with the infobox are so far. --zandperl 02:42, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Sounds like a good solution. Curps 02:44, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi. I'm the author of the paragraph you commented on on Talk:Astronomy. Celestial Mechanics and Astrometry are taught less and less, that's the reason I wrote "during part of the 20th century". Before that, astrphysics didn't exist, right now, I'm not sure CM and Asm. are on equal footing with astrophysics. The user who put the paragraph for discussion, however, hasn't put it back, and actually replaced it with a much less useful one (in my opinion), and that is talked about later on the text.--AstroNomer 20:59, Mar 8, 2004 (UTC)

I've added a paragraph about astrometry and celestial mechanics, but it's fairly different from what you originally wrote. Let me know what you think. Curps 01:58, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Comets

Hi Curps! I see you joined in adding interesting comets at list of comets, great!! Maybe we can make up a "template comet" (something like XP/Template ;-) with some general headings and parameters? This might help the overall look-and-feel, but up to now I just did not have the energy to do it. What do you think? Awolf002 15:24, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Comets aren't really my specialty, I was doing bios of the early asteroid hunters and some of them discovered comets too, so I added them.
I'm not sure that templates are as useful as for some of the other celestial bodies, because their orbital elements are constantly getting perturbed. So the information would often be out of date. But if you want to give it a shot, go ahead. Lots of good information on http://www.cometography.com/ Curps 20:48, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Ok, let my try it and see what others think... Awolf002 15:23, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for "(disambig William Pickering)" - led me into some very interesting places :Robin Patterson 01:46, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Actually, the original disambig I ran into was William H. Pickering... two people by that name, both connected to space/astronomy. And William Pickering was even more ambig.
Just the day before I had to deal with Robert G. Harrington and Robert Sutton Harrington, both astronomers.
Glad you found some interesting stuff. -- Curps 03:13, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)


Asteroids

Thanks for your help with my asteroid updates and additions! Much appreciated...

Sorry, forgot to sign name... still getting the hang of this... as you can tell... The Singing Badger


Plutinos

On the Plutino page, you say "Some astronomers classify Pluto itself as a plutino." Are there any astronomers in particular that you have in mind? The only reference cited on the page, David Jewitt, does not count Pluto as a Plutino. (According to his web page and an e-mail from him). JoelWest 06:53, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

What I wrote was Some astronomers classify Pluto itself as a plutino; others believe it should continue to be considered a full-fledged planet, which I tried to make a NPOV statement of the "is Pluto really a planet controversy".
As you know, there are some astronomers who consider that Pluto might be reclassified as a minor planet, and if so, what category of minor planet would it be? It could only be a plutino, since the definition of plutino is a minor planet in 3:2 resonance with Neptune.
If Pluto is a minor planet it would be a plutino in much the same way that 1992 QB1 is a cubewano. Curps 07:18, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I like the new wording, which doesn't try to summarize who says what or attribute it to astronomers. I just cut it in two parts because the sentence seemed a bit run-on.

hello Curps, I have registered under DESERTSKY

in case I could be helpful with some information or hints, please write a note

to me under Dersertsky

I would not mind to give you my e-mail adress, but as all wiki is open to anybody I fear we would have a lot of spam,

regards


hello Curps, ref. La Silla and Paranal, the ESO observatories I have seen there are already good links finally to www.eso.org, there you will get a full information about all ESO activities and also the ESO history, you will find also (under La Silla Historical Picture Gallery a photo from me, it was my 50th birthday as far as I remember.

somebody interested in Radio Astronomy should also watch the ALMA project ESO with others is preparing in the Atacama desert, there should be information on the ESO pages or under ALMA ESO with google

H.-E.



H.-E. Schuster


hello Curps, That's me again (Desertsky,H.-E.): ref. the various minor planet lists in wiki: there exists a publication by Lutz Schmadel from ARI (Astronomisches Rechen Institut Heidelberg) called: "Dictionary of Minor Planet Names" already 4th edition ? permanently updated and now not anymore a hardcover but on a CD disk. As you know certainly this publiction gives full information about any Minor Planet yet detected (names, numbers, and also the dedication ect.) Maybe it is worthwhile to indicate a link to this publication, if legal and no copyright problems ? (just a link added to the listings mentioned above)

just for curiosity: where on this planet are you sitting, as you know I am in Hamburg,

rgds, Desertsky


right, I just found the link for the "Dictionary of Minor Planets" Montreal: I never made it to Canada, most northern point of the American Continent was Boston/Harvard, H.-E.

hello Curps I have done a small editing in my biography. Deleted after RED Survey the "IIIa-F" Maybe I am too meticulous but I think IIIa-F is a registered Trade Name from KODAK ? and if used credit should be given to KODAK ?? Both surveys mentioned (Blue and Red) have been executed on KODAK photographic material the Blue one on IIa-O and the Red one on IIIa-F behind corresponding glassfilters from SCHOTT/Germany shame enough I do not remember at this moment the exact names of the two filters used, information must be somewhere in the web;

by the way, if ever somebody writes an article about KODAK it should be mentioned with a strong appreciation what this Company has done for Astronomical Photography. (amongst the other fields of buisiness)

private remark: in what field you are busy? Astronomy as your hobby ?

H.-E.

thanks for the information and your understanding, in case I can help you with some information do not hesitate to ask me, getting old many details I am just forgetting, so it maybe a nice exercise to remember,

regrads from Hamburg to Montreal H.-E.

Good work on the List of asteroids. I hope you get a chance to complete it. Any idea of how we should keep it up to date as numbered objects get names?

That's an issue I've avoided so far by only continuing the list up to 4000 or so, where most of the object already have names.

Desertsky -We do have an article on Kodak -dreadful stub that it is. Rmhermen 15:24, Apr 28, 2004 (UTC)

hello CURPS: ref. Sky Surveys a hell of a job; where to start ?? where to end ?? Only photograpic ones ?? Do not forget there are several "modern" ones now, (with CCD techniques) partly still in progress. What is missing is a sort of review article or even a booklet (maybe approaching from the historical view) and then !wiki" may have a link or a reference to this. But do not forget what a tremendous recherche that means. (time consuming)

ref Minor Planets numbered but without names: the planets in my list have a provisional designation and I do not know if they are duly confirmed with numbers. Only then Names can be given provided the corresponding IAU committees agree,

regds H.-E.

You've got an answer on my talk. BTW: you forgot to sign your question, just add four tildes (~~~~) at the end and the signature will show up automagically. andy 08:14, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

French scientists

Hey, are you going on a tour fixing the pages of 19th century French scientists? :-) David.Monniaux 17:43, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Just the astronomers :-)

New astronomer formatting

I'm slowly working on updating the "asteroids discovered" boxes on the articles in the astronomers category. Namely I'm replacing the first line of the table with the following to change the style: 

{| align="right" style="border:1px solid #CCC; margin-left:15px;" cellpadding="5"

Also, I'm bolding the title of the table so it is immediately obvious what info is contained in the table. Right now the right alignment seems to have some conflicts with the category display, but I'm sure that will work out shortly (and I'll in fact report the issue) since the category display is quite new.

Just wanted to let you know, so you can help out with the changes if you're interested.

--Jeff 05:22, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)

I noticed you moved the table to the front of the page, which causes the text to be squeezed along the left margin while the table occupies the middle of the page. The table probably would work better at the foot of the page as before. Curps 05:31, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Right, that's what I meant regarding the conflict with the category listing (the column should be flush right, and it is in fact in the preview). I guess if the issue with the category display isn't fixed soon, we'll have to move it back to the footer (or else to the left, but I don't think that would look right). --Jeff 07:10, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)
Okay, what works well is to put the table between the lead sentence/paragraph and the second paragraph, so that it goes underneath the category display - I've done this to several of the pages. If you don't like the placement, please feel free to move the location of the box. I think that the new style is much better, so if you want to keep the style but move the boxes back to the end, here's the code:
{| style="border:1px solid #CCC; margin-left:15px;" cellpadding="5"
--Jeff 07:47, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)
OK, I see they've moved the Category listing to the bottom of the page instead of the right-hand margin, so that should take care of any conflict. Curps 17:26, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Howdy. Just a quick thank you for helping out with the list of mis-spelled links. Much appreciated, good job. - TB 20:41, Jun 4, 2004 (UTC)



hello Curps, that's me again Desertsky (Hans-Emil Schuster) Reading again the article about me I feel nothing substantial could be added at this moment. Maybe one day for the Minor Planets one could add the official dedications (why and for whom the name was given) provided no copyrights will be hurt, as you have edited and written this article I just asked you could you not promote to a "real" not being a stub anymore ? (if WIKI rules will permit this action ??) greetings Desertsky (Hans-Emil Schuster)


just seen,the stub is away and the article promoted, thanks, if I maybe helpful with anything please contact me, Desertsky (Hans-Emil Schuster)

Transit of Venus

Apologies - I keep screwing up your excellent edits of transit of Venus. I will leave it alone until it settles down. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:03, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for creating Transit of Venus (disambiguation) and cleaning up Transit of Venus in the process. I was about to do it myself, but you beat me to it. Nice work. --Diberri | Talk 20:55, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)

Categorisation

Thanks for your message. I've just discovered that the method I was using wasn't putting the articles in alphabetically therefore I stopped going any further, and the list I was working became kind of screwed up until corrected. I was looking over at the Categorisation pages to check up on if there was a way to sort them when I saw your comment. --TonyW 04:28, Jun 11, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, and I'm sorry you've had to go over all the categorisations I did to correct them. I was going to look through them, and edit them then I saw your message. There are some other categorisations I've done so I'll check those now. --TonyW 04:38, Jun 11, 2004 (UTC)
Just found a lot of entries in Category:Mathematicians in order of first name, and not surname. Am I right in saying we should be putting articles like this in surname order? --TonyW 05:17, Jun 11, 2004 (UTC)

Category:Harry Potter movies

I notice you have changed all the sort codes so that the entries now show up as numbers in the Category article. I had originally considered doing this but I decided that it was not such a great idea, since it does not scale well to categories where there are more than 9 items, and I prefer having uniform rules wherever possible. Take a look at Category:Wheel of Time books for an example of where your method falls down: there are currently 10 books in the series and an 11th due out in late 2004. There is also the other reason that there might well at some point be further articles in this category, so where should they be sorted? I suggest we discuss this further on Wikipedia talk:Categorization. --Phil | Talk 11:38, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)

Dead People dead

I am just back from a few days out of internet and discovered (to my relief) the disapearence of the category:dead people. I didnt follow the discussion and, while investigating for it, i noticed your last post in Abigail's talk page. Gee, you said everything right there was to say in a very elegant way! If she cant live with that, that's her problem. Cheers, Muriel G 15:09, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)


Automatically fixing category sorting under "C" ?

from the pump

It seems that there was a bug at one time, causing any article added to a category to be sorted under "C". Articles sorted this way remain there until the next time they are modified.

For instance, Category:Programming languages, as of this moment, has "Ada programming language" listed under "C", as well as "JavaScript", "Fortran", "Lisp programming language".

Fixing this is very simple for any individual article: just Edit it and Save. This can be done even without making any changes during the edit, in which case the "modification" won't even show up in the article History. But the category will now show the article under its correct alphabetical letter.

The problem is, there are many such bogus "C" listings, scattered over all the various categories and sub-categories. It may be months before some of the articles in question get edited and modified in the normal course of Wikipedia editing. Is there any way to run a script to fix this globally, or must we wait for the problem to fix itself over the coming weeks and months? -- Curps 16:37, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

If you can get a developer to run the update suggested on meta, it might be fixed. -- User:Docu

re morse code

re pre- you can't do the space thing inside a table, to use pre you have to explicitly pre it. Rick Boatright 21:41, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Transit of Deimos from Mars?

I've just seen your interesting Transit of Deimos from Mars and am trying to duplicate the March 9 results using JPL Horizons with telnet to see if I can uncover the 2 minute discrepancy. How did you enter Spirit's coordinates when JPL asks for the Coordinate center? I see the coordinates are -175.4833 +219805 -056448 (E.Long, DXY, DZ) but cannot fathom how to convert them to a form Horizons wants. When I used -175.4833, +2198.05, -0564.48 I got a position deep inside Mars! In particular what are the units? They're not kilometres and they're not km/100, although Horizons displays them as KM. Any tips much appreciated. -Wikibob | Talk 22:09, 2004 Jun 17 (UTC)

IUAC 8298

hello Curps,

the corresponding web site says: "not yet distributed/issued"

I will try and ask what happened to this circular, mybe for some reason it is not for public use yet ???

I will keep you informed, regards Desertsky

  • I managed to download the DVI format of 8298 [1] but I couldn't find a DVI reader (TeX is too big for me to install on my old PC, and I can't get my emacs tex mode to work) although I can make out some words (Mars I I must be Deimos and Mars I Phobos):

Mars I I ... already in transit__LGwhen the _rst image was obtained on Mar. 4.12773 UT

w_as ap-____Apro___ximately____at mid-transit on the Mar. 4.12785 image,

and w_as b__et_w_een____A third____and fourth con___tacts on the Mar. 4.12819 image.

Mars I Mars I____w_as p___ossibly____A near_____rst con___tact on the image of Mar. 7.11556, w_as near mid-transit on____A Mar.__UU7.11567, and w___as near fourth con_tact on Mar. 7.11579.___33___A 2004__UUMarc___h 8

I had to replace many unprintable characters with underlines; they may have represented times or references to times. -Wikibob | Talk 18:58, 2004 Jun 20 (UTC)

I've added my calculation attempt to Talk:Transit of Deimos from Mars where I find the first Deimos image is 10:31:44 Mars time, contrasted with the given Mars time of 10:28:17, but closer to the JPL Horizons time of 10:30:14 for the start of the transit. -Wikibob | Talk 22:58, 2004 Jun 20 (UTC)

hello Curps, just seen that your problem is solved once Wikibob managed to download in DVI format, I will ask anyhow why HTML users are "punished". By the way I have the impression generally that HTML gets oldfashioned, Desertsky

I just got the information that the MPCs are readable in HTML; so it looks like that for 8298 it just has been bad luck. rgds Desertsky

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