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AN/I

Hi, Bubba73! Just wanted to give you some advice on this issue as I'm sure you saw that I commented at AN/I. The first thing to do when a new editor is reverting and doing other "bad" things is go to WP:WARN, pick out a nice level one appropriate warning, reference the article (and even add some advice): and then see what happens. If they continue to ignore and/or blank their page and repeat the behavior: step up the warning template and direct them firmly to the talk page. If they still continue after repeated escalating warnings: go to WP:AN3 in the case of edit-warring and file a report. By this time, an admin (or watcher who will alert an admin) might have already blocked the user: not always, but now you've got a "paper trail" of evidence to show you did all you could to stop any possibly disruptive activity. Anyway, I hope I wasn't too "curt" in my AN/I comment, and Cheers :> Doc talk 06:54, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to join WikiProject United States

Hello, Bubba73! WikiProject United States, an outreach effort supporting development of United States related articles in Wikipedia, has recently been restarted after a long period of inactivity. As a user who has shown an interest in United States related topics we wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the United States. If you are interested please add your Username and area of interest to the members page here. Thank you!!!

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This isn't vandalism: "Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism". Adambro (talk) 23:15, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I asked about this the other day, and they said to revert and warn the editor (see AN/I above). That editor has been disruptive on that article for several days. I made comments in the edit summaries. I wrote on the article's talk page. I left a welcome message on the user's talk page. I left a level-1 warning. I recently left a level-2 warning. How do you suggest it be handled? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Was that UFO incident in any way connected with the rabbit incident, or were they independent events? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots19:15, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Completely independent (Jimmy Carter rabbit incident). Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:16, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There were a lot of jokes about this at the time, but an animal in the wild doesn't usually approach a person. If an animal acts strangely, they may be rabid. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:20, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You bet. Fending it off with an oar was probably a good thing to do, as we didn't need to have our first President ever to die from rabies. And maybe you remember that killer rabbit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots19:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I do remember that. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

books about chess variants

Yes, our strongest defense against the destruction of most of the material about chess variants on Wikipedia lies in providing "reliable sources" from tangible reference books (such as Pritchard's Encyclopedia of Chess Variants).

FYI- "9250" announced today that he is working on a book about 3-D chess variants.

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/3-d-chess/message/2156

I dearly hope he follows thru.

-DavidWatersHC —Preceding undated comment added 07:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]

I'm confused by this. All books are not created equal. I'd much rather have a book by the likes of Jean-Louis Cazaux. In my opinion '9250' (James Trimm) is not a credible source on anything. Just because someone prints ink on wood pulp does not give credibility. (If it did, the world would be a very fake place indeed.)
There is lots of work by many varied authors, some quite credible, at Zillions and Chessvariants. Why can't they be reliable sources in some cases? Because trees weren't felled? (I don't get it!) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 14:08, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have Pritchard's encyclopedia but no others on chess variants. That is a good reliable source but it might not be the only one. All articles need a reliable source. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:12, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Zugzwang

Works for me. Gut (talk) 21:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Genrikh Kasparyan picture

I just uploaded the file File:Birth Centenary of Henrik Kasparyan.jpg on Commons. I leave it to you to decide if this is a replacement for your fair use file File:Kasparian.jpg, but I thought I should tell you because I don't know much about the fair use laws, so you might have to update the description or something. If you want to reply to me, please also leave me a note on de:Benutzer Diskussion:Conspiration since I'm not often on en-wikipedia. --Constructor 13:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Bubba73 most humble apologies - i should put my bloody glasses on before diving in. sorry and go with pencil in hand. cheers keith nunes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keith nunes (talkcontribs) 08:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Congratulations!

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Proposed deletion of =[Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Checkmate]]

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I notified you because the link "Contributors" said that you were the most active contributor on that page. I may be that the script got confused. http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Contributors.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&grouped=on&page=Tom_Clancy%27s_Splinter_Cell:_Checkmate Nczempin (talk) 03:43, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting - it does show that, but on the page history of Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Checkmate, I've never edited it. But I have edited checkmate. I noticed other top editors of checkmate also being listed. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pritchard's ECV

Thx for your note re non-notables, Bubba. (And I see Mr. Kaufmann is cleaning up the variants article!)

Curious. Did you get the ECV (1994), or the Classified (2007)? (I have both. But I much more enjoy the 1994 orig - for many reasons!) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 02:32, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have the new edition. I got it a few months ago because I wanted to be able to check new variants to see if they are notable. I got tired of seeing variants that they just made up at school two days ago. I haven't gotten to cleaning out old ones though.
Just yesterday two kids at my daugheter's school chess club (which I coach) made up a variant. They put the pieces on the third and sixth ranks; and and pieces are pawns and pawns are pieces. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:51, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't remember ever seeing the first edition, but the second edition is a really nice production, in my opinion. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:03, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Bubba, I could go on & on how/why I feel the 1994 ed. is more enjoyable & easier to use! Not only that, but Beasley points out he dropped certain things from the 1st edition (like sample games), thinking readers of 2nd ed. will already own 1st ed. (!). Also, *all* of the 1st ed. artwork/graphics/diagrams/photos were lost or misplaced and only a partial of that was recreated for the 2nd ed. (and more crudely, me thinks!). As mentioned I could go on & on, but I'll stop here.  :) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 09:00, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I understand. I've never seen the first edition. I did read in the second edition about them not having the original artwork. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you can ever get your hands on 1st ed., I highly recommend. (Granted, 2nd ed. has some updated Pritchard file info on some vars. But a lot was dropped, too. But there are other significant diffs between the editions. (You'll know what I mean, when you *own* 1st ed.! Soooo much more an enjoyable read!) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:24, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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I have removed this from David Bronstein and put more justification for its use in 11th Chess Olympiad. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree that this is not needed. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:56, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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B & W

Hi Bubba; Personally, I prefer "Black" and "White" over "black" and "white" when referring to the players. (It's how I grew up.) But, I notice in lots and lots of WP articles, smalls are used instead. (So, I have tried to stay consistent w/ that apparent convention, when making an edit.)

I don't mind smalls too much, but it seems to me consistency should be the thing. That said, is this a "bigger" issue - e.g., should all WP chess articles be either one way [caps], or the other [smalls], for consistency? (Is there any consensus on it; has it ever been discussed?)

p.s. I'm also don't prefer "bishop", "king", etc., preferring instead "Bishop", "King". (Because again, I grew up that way. And, I think caps for piece names is more logical as well, since the caps correspond better to their single letter abbrevs in algebraic: Bg2, Kh1, etc.) But again, I've used smalls on piece names since that is what I've been seeing on WP.

Let me know your thoughts. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 01:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This has been discussed on the Chess Project, and the consensus is to use "Black" and "White" when it stands in for a person, but lower case when referring to pieces (e.g. "the black rook"). They are caps when used to stand for a person because it is sort of like a proper noun. I think the articles are mostly consistent, and I change them when I see an inconsistency. I see almost all lower case for the pieces, and I think that is the preference of of the members of the chess project. I see them uppercase mostly in old literature. (They are not proper nouns.) Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thx for the clarification! I do think the consensus to use smalls has a weird effect though ... the phrase "the black rook" can only mean one thing in chess: the rook owned by Black. (So "black rook" is synonymous to "Black's rook".) If that weren't the case, then "the black rook" means "the rook colored black color", and I don't think color is really being referred to per se (probably a bad idea anyway since FIDE mandates only "dark"). So to me "Black rook" always means "Black's rook", so my vote would have been for caps, even though the word itself is holding the spot of an adjective in the sentence, when really it's like an implied & abbrev'd possessive.
Anyway, that's my analysis. (... I "resign".)  :) I'm glad to know what the WP convention is! Thx.
BTW could you let me know if I got any of these wrong? (Thx again!)
  • 1) "Who is playing the black pieces in this game?"
  • 2) "Did you say Browne is playing the black side?"
  • 3) "Did you say Browne is playing Black?"
  • 4) "If Browne is Black, who is White?"
  • 5) "Who was the White player for that game?"
  • 6) "Did Browne have White?"
p.s. No pun intended on name "Browne" (Walter Browne).  :)
p.p.s. Did any make you "think"?  ;)
Ihardlythinkso (talk) 03:14, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think those all agree with the convention. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:17, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, #6 - maybe not. "Did Browne have black?" Seems the same as "Did Browne have the black pieces?" But "Was Browne Black?". Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:20, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, "have" changes everything in #6. I missed it. Thx! Ihardlythinkso (talk) 20:23, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Found one that's even harder! Are pieces being referred to, or the players?:
A) "... similar to Chess960, but the opening white and black positions do not mirror each other."
B) "... similar to Chess960, but the opening White and Black positions do not mirror each other."
Ihardlythinkso (talk) 08:44, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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letters on diagram squares

Hi Bubba, I put up a Parton var I've always been fascinated by (2000 A.D. – whaddya think?). I see you coded the chess diag templates, they allow #s to be put on sqrs but not letters (if I read it right), so I created a graphic instead, making look like a template diag, to accomodate all the letters I needed, since iconics of course aren't avail. Has any thought been given for adding ability to place letters in sqrs, not only #s? Thx for your consider. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 08:45, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I've seen it - a good start. I didn't have anything to do with writing the template and I don't know anything about how to do it. What I did is write a program that runs under Windows that lets you enter a position graphically (also with numbers, black dots, white dots, and Xs on the squares) and it will generate the WP diagram for it. It works for 8x8 with regular pieces only. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:16, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Shuttle question

The misc ref desk has a question about the shuttle. It occurred to me that if anyone knows the answer, it might well be you. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots23:08, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Supermoon

My bad, thank you :) - Jessiessica (talk · contribs)

No probs. I am new to editing Wiki and didn't realise such a thing could happen. Thanks for letting me know. - Jessiessica (talk · contribs)

Service award level

Herostratus (talk) 06:53, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I didn't change anything, but I did update Template:Service Awards so you jumped a level, and will again shortly. Herostratus (talk) 06:53, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Value of chess pieces.

Hello there, I am the user with IP 189.79.206.127 and I did the change that was erroneously identified as vandalism. The original text said that a good bishop values 10% of a bad bishop or more, and that's ridiculous. It implies that you would need up to 10 good bishops to match a bad one. The author wanted to say that a good bishop is worthy 10 percent more than a bad bishop or even more, which is pretty much the same thing of saying it values 110% of a bad one or more. That's the change I made. You're mistaking your ignorance of simple math for vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabriel dCF (talkcontribs) 03:23, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]