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Eva Braun image

Article(s): Eva Braun

Request: Please can you clean up the image by making it less fuzzy (if possible) and crop off the white space at the bottom of the image. Thanks. Peter (talk) 11:24, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):

The image has no source (is it her?) and wrong license. Materialscientist (talk) 11:31, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll ask the uploader for these details. Peter (talk) 11:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Matthew C. Perry

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Article(s): Matthew C. Perry

Request: Hi! Could someone create a .png version of the photo to the left (with transparent background) just like the photo to the right? Thank you very much, Lecen (talk) 01:43, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s): Done Made .png with transparent background; cleaned up image removing scratches, foxing, etc. (NOTE: I had to reduce resolution from 300dpi to 150 dpi because .png file at higher resolution was over the 10MB file size limit) Centpacrr (talk) 02:34, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Angeline Lorraine Tenney Castle

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Article(s): Samuel Northrup Castle

Request: Center crop and whiten background. Thanks. KAVEBEAR (talk) 11:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s): Done Centpacrr (talk) 11:30, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Did some parts of the image change? The eyelash look shorter.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:23, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like the current image has been made using 'threshold', which is essentially a 1-bit image (look closely at the outline). I have modified the original (using Pixlr no less!) to produce a much better image, but I can't work out how to upload it. Any pointers? nagualdesign (talk) 00:46, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep at it until you figure it out. JBarta (talk) 00:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
<sarcasm>Thanks for that!</sarcasm> nagualdesign (talk) 01:30, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You asked for pointers. You offered no clue as to what your efforts had been and what problems you encountered. On top of that, I have no idea what your skill level/set is. At this time I can be of no use to you whatsoever on any specifics. However... it's been my experience that 1) many people give up (or rely on assistance excessively) when encountering difficulties, and 2) almost any difficulty can be overcome with simple persistance and determination and the benefits of doing so are great. So to my mind, the most useful thing I could offer is to suggest you keep at it until you figure it out. That pointer is far more valuable than you may realize. JBarta (talk) 02:32, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, I can't work out how to upload it. Most of the images I've encountered (on Wikipedia) have a link at the bottom of their page that says "Upload a new version of this file". It seems like this image, being on Wikicommons, doesn't offer that simple method. Having spent a good few minutes editing the image I was more than willing to spend time trying to find out how to upload it. However, after reading through many pages of unrelated bumf trying to find a solution, and then using Google to search Wikipedia to no avail, I thought that the most expedient idea would be to perhaps simply ask somebody.
If I had known beforehand that I would first have to tell people more about myself, blow my own trumpet a little then concede my inadequacies I would have done so. (More sarcasm there.)
I could tell by the way you dealt with other people's requests that you are perhaps a little bit exasperated, but there is very little requirement for you to be so terse. When you said "Keep at it until you figure it out" it made me giggle because I thought you were being facetious (perhaps I should state at this point that I have a sense of humour), and I then spent another half an hour searching, assuming that you might be impling that the answer was right under my nose. Now I know that you think you were giving me a 'valuable pointer' (thanks Dad!) I'm frankly a little shocked. The answer to my original question would, after all, probably have only required one or two sentences, right? But hey-ho, that's life I guess.
Would you prefer me to just piss off and leave all the photos to you, or is it okay for me to help out here? I do have considerable experience of photographic retouching, just none of working on this part of Wikipedia. nagualdesign (talk) 05:05, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously now, all this thrashing about isn't really getting you closer to getting your file uploaded. Another pointer... stay focused. That said, your ramblings did suggest a possible clue into your specific troubles. Do you have an account at Commons? If not, you'll need to sign up as a user if you wish to upload images there. Hope that helps... and keep at it until you figure it out ;-) JBarta (talk) 05:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The 'thrashing about' was to let you know that you were being obnoxious and more than a little condescending. Consider it a pointer! The solution was indeed to sign in at the Commons. Given that I always tick the 'sign me in to other wikis' box when I sign in I had assumed that I was signed in at the Commons. Giving me a straight answer (2 sentences) had very little to do with my skill level did it. And I hardly think that the question "Any pointers?" counts as giving up or relying on assistance excessively does it. The 'most useful thing' you could offer was to waste my time, but don't think twice it's alright.
If somebody pulls up at the side of the road to ask you for directions, do you tell them or do you suggest that they buy a map, or keep driving around blindly until they eventually find their destination? "Take my advice, son, by the time you find what you're looking for you'll know these roads like the back of your hand!" (That was a joke, by the way.)
Don't worry about this hiccup. I'm sure that we can get along together, as long as you can learn to play well with others. Wikipedia is a team effort, right? If you ever feel that people are wasting your time just remember that Wikipedia is all about giving your time freely. And if you really don't want to give someone an answer say nothing. (Another pointer there.) nagualdesign (talk) 14:34, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad you got it uploaded... and I'll consider myself straightened out. Cheers. JBarta (talk) 18:31, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On a related topic, some of the images I've created/uploaded (like this one) are now to be moved to the Commons. Would it have been simpler if I'd just uploaded it to the Commons in the first place, even if I wish to use the {{Attribution}} license? If you could point me towards some useful documentation on the subject I'd appreciate it. I've read Commons:Contributing your own work and Commons:Choosing a license but I know very little about the complexeties of copyright law. I don't even understand the difference between 'Free licenses' ("Free as in freedom"!?) and 'Public domain'! nagualdesign (talk) 15:03, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To make it simple: Public domain means you give up any claim to your work. Anyone can use it, modify it, put their name on it. Everything becomes PD eventually, long after the author dies. Free licenses (like CC-BY-SA, the wiki default) allow you to retain certain rights, like attribution. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:36, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't be much help in matching you with a specific license that that you would find agreeable. You'll have to sort that out yourself or find someone else to help you. I simply upload my images as public domain and don't give it another thought. I will say this however... it is very useful, where possible, to upload images to commons rather than to en.wikipedia (or any other language). The main advantage is that the image can now be used by any language and any of the wikimedia websites. JBarta (talk) 18:44, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you both. :-) nagualdesign (talk) 20:07, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Remove watermark

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Article(s): Henry Ford

Request: Please can you remove the watermark from the bottom right of the image and possibly sharpen the image to make it less blurry. Thanks Peter (talk) 16:41, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Centpacrr (talk) 22:56, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah Stickney Ellis

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Article(s): Sarah Stickney Ellis

Request: Oval crop... KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s): Done

Death by pussycat

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 – Crisco 1492 (talk)

Article(s): Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!

Request: Touch up the fold marks in both posters. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:19, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s): Done Centpacrr (talk) 15:02, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hinoi Pōmare

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Article(s): Hinoi Pōmare

Request: Clean up the white spot on the left shoulder and next to his legs. Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:33, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):  Done nagualdesign (talk) 03:27, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rainis 1880 by Robert Borchardt.png

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Article(s): Rainis

Request: Brightness adjustment needed. --Glebchik (talk) 02:41, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):  Done: Pi.1415926535 (talk) 16:22, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rainilaiarivony

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Article(s): Rainilaiarivony

Request: Do something with them... KAVEBEAR (talk) 14:26, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s): Image's request under progression Request taken by User:nagualdesign.

 Done Removed bluishness. Retouched. nagualdesign (talk) 00:45, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Cleaned up stains and uneven lighting. Howzat? nagualdesign (talk) 01:30, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but could you lighten up the dark shadows on the wall in the first image? --KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:51, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Darkened shadows (against my better judgement). Any more and too much detail will be lost. You might want to adjust your monitor and compare old and new, or view them on a second monitor. nagualdesign (talk) 02:36, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ooops! Just re-read your request. Hang on, I've still got it open in Photoshop... nagualdesign (talk) 02:37, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Done ...Sorry about that! Removed shadows on the wall entirely. Is that what you wanted? nagualdesign (talk) 02:55, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:17, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wally Backman

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Article(s): Wally Backman

Request: Upload a new photo from the original source, sharpen. Thanks, Albacore (talk) 16:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion:

Even at full resolution that is a particularly poor photo. So I just grabbed a larger version, cropped it and uploaded it. There's not much (if any) improvement you're going to get out of that image. JBarta (talk) 00:35, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Indiana Evans and Summer Strallen

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Article(s): Indiana Evans, Summer Strallen

Request: Can you bring the focus in on Indiana as she is over to one side of the image. Can you make a crop of Summer Strallen, the girl in the blue coat without glasses.RaintheOne BAM 23:20, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):  Done: nagualdesign (talk) 23:51, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou for doing it so quickly. :)RaintheOne BAM 23:56, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keisuke Otori

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Article(s): Keisuke Otori

Request: cut clean oval and repair of crack... Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:19, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):

 Done: JBarta (talk) 19:01, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thsnk you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:55, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bradley Nowell

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File:Youngbradleynowell.jpg

Article(s): Bradley Nowell

Request: fix perspective and crop... Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:17, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s): Done Centpacrr (talk) 17:30, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Very good, thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:56, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

L.A. Wrigley Field

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Article(s): Wrigley Field (Los Angeles)

Request: If possible, please crop out the border around the image, rotate it slightly so that none of it gets cut off, and maybe retouch/remove the many blemishes on the image. Please upload as a completely new file. Thanks. Delaywaves talk 01:25, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):  Done Partial restoration. There's not much you can do about a finger over the lens. Cleaned the rest. I tried to upload this to a new file, as requested, but copyright (Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic) wasn't available, so I uploaded it over the old one. Both are still available though. I'll leave you to sort the rest out. ;-) nagualdesign (talk) 02:19, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What you essentially did was create a derivative work. This can be easily uploaded to commons by clicking on 1)upload file, then 2)back to the old form, and then 3)derivative work, then follow the instructions. Presto, new derivative file created with no animals harmed in production. JBarta (talk) 05:13, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Good one. :-) The new version can now be found here. The metadata looks a right mess though, and the copyright didn't pass over correctly. I guess derivativeFX swapped . for # for some reason. Swapped it back in the license section. nagualdesign (talk) 06:18, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Now add the new file next to the original in the gallery above. JBarta (talk) 06:33, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
For some reason a whole bunch of # characters got substituted into the description of the derivative file. Weird. Being the good Wikipedian I'll just point it out and hope someone else cleans it up... JBarta (talk) 06:42, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Like that? Yeah, I thought as much with the hash symbols, but previous edit summaries can't be edited. Someone will sort it! Thanks again. nagualdesign (talk) 06:56, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, like that. And you fixed the description page. That's plenty. See, I was right... someone else (you) cleaned it up. My work here is done. JBarta (talk) 07:29, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wonderful, great work! Delaywaves talk 02:04, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Empire of Brazil

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Article(s): Empire of Brazil

Request: The top and right corners of the photo first photo have blue tone. The left corner of the second photo also has a weird blue tone. Could they be fixed without cutting pieces of the photos? Thanks, Lecen (talk) 18:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):

 Done Centpacrr (talk) 19:12, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Centpacrr, I thank you for your help. However, the second photo's color tone is kind of reddish... could it be more similar to as it looked before? --Lecen (talk) 19:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Centpacrr (talk) 21:14, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Thank you very much! Kind regards, --Lecen (talk) 21:51, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Walter F. Dillingham

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Article(s): Walter F. Dillingham

Request: Clean up noise... KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):  Done Too much? nagualdesign (talk) 06:50, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's great. Any possibility of clearing up the blur around his hair and behind his head?
I'll see what I can do later. Be aware though that it's blurring that gets rid of the noise. I'll bring it back a bit. nagualdesign (talk) 16:43, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Done The changes are extremely subtle, but worth it I suppose. The problem with retouching is that as you go on you get diminishing returns. When you stop there's always a tiny bit more you could've done. That's it from me though. Hope you like it. nagualdesign (talk) 07:48, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

William Ellis (missionary)

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Article(s): William Ellis (missionary)

Request: Can someone change the background to white and crop a little more plus some clean up? Thanks. KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:36, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):  Done Did the best I could with William Ellis missionary old, given the low-res image. nagualdesign (talk) 05:06, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Mallord William Turner Portrait

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Article(s): J. M. W. Turner

Request: Is there anything that can be done with this image to make it more accurate to the actual portrait? Many of the Turner scans we have totally fail to capture the colouring of the original paintings but this one is both crucial to the article and particularly bad. IRL this painting is much lighter, more detailed and more brown than this image. (here is a lower resolution image but it shows much more of the colouring and detail of what is actually in this portrait - far closer to what this painting actually look likes. I played around with this image in photoshop a bit but had no luck bringing out any of the detail, so thought I would ask to see if the experts can do anything or if I need to try and scan in a print image I have of this picture which has the colours much better. Ajbpearce (talk) 11:37, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):  Done 'I have adjusted the colors as best I could to match the smaller image. Not perfect but I think at least better.

Ok, I think the problem is that that original is just not good enough. I have done my best to scan in the version of this image at[:File:Turner Self Portrait.jpg]. Its also not perfect (the image is larger than my scanner so I had to crop it) but as the main purpose of the image is to show the artist, not as a commentary on the picture - i think it is preferable to have a cropped image that is the right colour than an uncropped version in a fantasy colour palette. Thanks for your efforts! Ajbpearce (talk) 13:34, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Shennong

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 – nagualdesign (talk)

Article(s): Shennong

Request: Looking for collaborator, to work with me in turning the photo into a suitable lead image for the article. the painting is quite good (can re-photograph if/as desired, but my camera is crap @ extreme close-ups). image needs perspective-correction (& slight rotation) first, which i can't do; cropping, which i can handle; then whatever CAREFUL restoration work can be, done to improve image visibility & clarity. i.e.: blemish removal, colour & contrast (basically the paper has darkened somewhat, & the paints have faded slightly). which should be done by someone more experienced than i am. Lx 121 (talk) 00:37, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

forgot to mention: please create a new "working print" file when uploading, i'd like to keep this one as the original source, for archival purposes @ commons. there's going to be an image set of the painting on commons eventually; this pic, overview pic, & sectional hi-rez scans (once i get time & figure out how to do them properly... )Lx 121 (talk) 03:01, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s): Would you like to remove or keep the paper creases? Is this a restoration of the peice itself or just the image on the paper? nagualdesign (talk) 02:34, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

if you can get rid of the creases, without "artifacting" it, please feel free to try :) (though i'd prefer to create a new "working file" rather than overwriting the existing one; sry, should have mentioned that before). i'm "agnostic" on the merits of crinkly paper; whatever works best on the article is good. Lx 121 (talk) 03:01, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Then I accept the challenge... ;-) nagualdesign (talk) 03:29, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Okay, don't panic - the thumbnail up there is just one version and there a 5 to choose from so far. Each has it's pros and cons. Let me know what you think and what else might improve the image. :-) Unfortunately, one thing I neglected is the filename - I spelled 'derivative' wrong! Any hints on how to change that, anyone?
Version 1: Basically rotated and cropped, with some distortion removal which could have been avoided with a more careful photograph.
(Tip: Always make sure that your camera lens is placed on a line perpendicular to the centre of your image, use a tripod and set your camera on maximum optical zoom.)
Version 2: Reduced creases. This version retains some of Version 1 so as not to look too artificial.
Version 3: Reduced creases more. Not all of the creases are gone but the 'paper' looks much flatter.
Version 2b: Altered the contrast, brightness, hue and saturation of Version 2.
Version 3b: Altered the contrast, brightness, hue and saturation of Version 3.
Regards, nagualdesign (talk) 06:51, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
After opening each image in a new tab and swapping between them to compare them I realized that in the b versions I've made his eyes and lips blue when they should be red! That can be fixed though. Personally I like Versions 2 and 3b. 2b adds back in too much contrast on the creases for my taste, and 3 doesn't have enough - it's too flat. It just depends whether you want a restoration or a derivative work I guess. nagualdesign (talk) 07:12, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
it looks cleaner, but also seems kind of "washed out" (colours & textures faded); sharpness seems to have decreased also(?). was hoping the final result would have more definition & "natural-ness". about the file, you can request a rename @ commons (i'd change it myself, but you need admin-powers). (about my cam; i'm damned if i do & damned if i don't: i did line it up fairly carefully, but to when i get close enough to grab the level of detail, i also end up with wide-angle-effect distortions, most noticeable in the "curved" edges of the painting boundary) Lx 121 (talk) 09:35, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
btw, how do i get to the other examples (sry if i missed the instructions, not rly 100% awake currently, it's deep in the early-AM here)Lx 121 (talk) 09:36, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
follow-up: also, the white is too "keyed-up", it seems almost "day-glo" on my monitor, & like a separate layer on the image; i missed that on first viewing; in the real painting, the white is the key highlight, but it blends as well as contrasts, & adds depth & life, especially in the eyes (with the red), but also in the shading of the clothes & hair. 209.195.89.213 (talk) 09:42, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Morning! :-P To check out all of the intermediate versions scroll down the page and click on the thumbnails. Better yet hold CTRL while you click to open each image in a new tab (Windows/IE), then you can flick between them and see the changes. When you've seen the progression, what I've done might make a little more sense. nagualdesign (talk) 10:09, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're going to have rather limited satisfaction simply trying to play with this image. I think what would probably satisfy Lx 121 the most is a complete redrawing of the image based on this (or similar) photograph. Until such is created, any one of the cleaned up versions by Nagualdesign is "article-worthy". JBarta (talk) 09:54, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

hm well, what about going with black & white then, if the colour-balance is hopeless? eventually i'll have flat high-res scans of the whole thing, & maybe someone will be insane enough to help me try & do a full-on digital restoration of the complete painting. for now though, the goal is just to get a better "shennong" pic for the article (we have a pretty meager selection), & although it's not that easy to tell right now, the painting is actually a thoroughly decent & reasonably skillful "iconic image" of the subject (i.e,: this is shennong, instantly recognizable, & "doing his thing" xD). "cultural authenticity" is also a consideration, in that it's an original & historic/antique image, from within the culture(s) to which shennong/shinno is relevant... Lx 121 (talk) 10:04, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Personally I'd say that the latest (3c) is your best bet (fit for purpose) in the article, even though it's not that much like the original in terms of colour, texture, etc. It's just supposed to show him, right? Nobody is going to wonder where the creases went. nagualdesign (talk) 10:09, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ok crap, i finally woke up & noticed the "history" selection. i'm sry Nagualdesign! >__< Lx 121 (talk) 10:21, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
i think i like #2.0 best; it's got the worst of the creases toned down, & it's closest to the real-life colours. i knew that trying to tweak the colour/contrast was going to be a huge pain, & i appreciate the time & effort! :) getting the perspective-correction was the most critical, because i absolutely can't fix that on my end. i'm sorry for being so fussy, it's hard to understand, without seeing the original, what made it "the choice" for lead image (to me, at least). would it be better if i put #2 back "on top" of the history pile, or create a new file, titled for the article? (& leave this one free to play with) Lx 121 (talk) 10:35, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Lx 121, if you're eventually going to have a "flat high-res scans of the whole thing" then why don't you simply use one of the quickie edits for now, then re-visit this effort after you have the scan. Seems to me that with the promise of a much better image to work with, messing about excessively with this one now is just effort that will end up in the dust bin, don't you think? It's a beautiful image, and if you can get a high quality scan, then it would be a valuable addition to Wikipedia. Good luck. JBarta (talk) 10:44, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done it for you (by clicking 'revert'). Hope the creases aren't too distracting on the article page. To correct the perspective I used Photoshop: Filter > Distort > Lens correction. Standing as far away as possible when taking a photo, whilst making sure the subject is still nicely framed (covering most of the sensor), is the best way to minimise distortions. Provided that the subject is in focus stepping closer won't help. In fact you can only focus so close. Hope that helps. It was good fun trying. ;-) nagualdesign (talk) 10:47, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
added to the article, & many thanks! ^__^ (swapped out the previous lead image, as it showed the exact same pose/activity, with a lesser-quality illustration)Lx 121 (talk) 11:51, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jessica Watson

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 – 67.126.141.125 (talk)

Article(s): Jessica Watson

Request: Crop. 67.126.141.125 (talk) 05:56, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s):