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Merge proposal

Do we really need both the Gangnam Style article and the article on the Gangnam style phenomenon? Seems to me that the info could be merged into this article. 24.47.119.179 (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)Wikipedia is also thinking of merging Gangnam Style and Gangnam Style in popular culture[reply]

This article is about a song (Synopsis, Reception, Charts, etc) that has become a phenomenon. Its impact outside music and entertainment (Stock markets, academia, etc), is well-documented and significant enough to deserve its own page, in my humble opinion -A1candidate (talk) 20:24, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Daily newspapers update

Can someone with editing right add the following to "National daily newspapers who reported on this..." section: Serbia, Blic / Blic Online, URL: http://www.blic.rs/Zabava/Vesti/343464/Gangnam-style-usao-u-pet-najgledanijih-spotova-na-Jutjubu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.211.34.190 (talk) 10:34, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Who cares about this "Gangnam Style" crap? Its just a bunch of Asian hysteria and should be deleted from Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.137.99 (talk) 11:15, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

it's the most liked video in Youtube history and a triumph of viral promotion, not to mention a huge international meme. It may not be the most important thing in the world, but it is a well-sourced article documenting this important pop-culture phenomenon. 24.47.119.179 (talk) 18:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pump up the Jam

Isn't this song a cover of "Pump up the Jam" by Technotronic? I mean the music is quite similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.61.147.183 (talk) 18:06, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's possible, but not an obvious sampling like he did with Axel F. Can someone provide a news source that relates the two songs? The Paul Lester article has these quotes.
* "It is, basically, Pump up the Jam meets the Macarena with a dash of Cotton Eye Joe."
* "It's generic ravey Euro dance with guitars, or at least it is if Psy's other tunes are any measure. These range from the thrashy disco of Blue Frog and Champion, which heavily samples Axel F by Harold Faltermeyer, to the homogenous guitar/synth sub-Prodigy blare that is Right Now and the rap-metal revisited of We Are the One, although we like the video, in which the North Korean military kidnap Psy."
The former is almost source worthy but I was hoping for a writeup like the second quote. AngusWOOF (talk) 00:53, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More work to do

OK, here are the areas that need to improve before this article can be considered complete:

  • the Reception section should include more comments from music critics.
  • the Background should be expanded to include inspirations from which Psy and his team drew prior to working on the song. It should be expanded to include how the song was released -- when, where, and with which medium (CD, digital download, etc)
  • the Music video section should include how it was filmed, how long the filming took, if there were any highlights during the filming.
  • a music and lyrical interpretation section should also be added if references permit.
  • a table of certifications (gold, platinum, etc) should be added.

Information can be found in foreign-language Gangnam Style articles.

So far, everyone has done an great job covering the impact and popular culture aspect of the song --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 00:46, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rolling Stone and MTV interview articles said that filming took 48 hours straight, and who were actors and who were just bystanders who got into the action (the tour bus). Those are some good places to start for researching how they chose the actions for the scenes. Also the "Making of" video has some good outtakes. And the Lady Gaga mention reference can be pushed out the footnotes. AngusWOOF (talk) 01:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK. We don't know what date the filming took place, but that's alright. FWIW I'm using other music articles (Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It) and Halo (Beyoncé Knowles song)) as yardsticks for the development of this article. --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 03:48, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is this American wikipedia? Sure looks like it...

Comes as no surprise that most of the references in this wiki is based in the U.S. Wikipedia should just rename itself Americapedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.254.55.113 (talk) 03:52, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Come back when you've got a constructive comment to make. Or, try finding non-American sources that contain information that aren't already covered in these American sources. Otherwise, I've got a video you can watch. Take care --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 06:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not the previous poster but I've got a constructive suggestion, the "3rd most viewed video on Youtube" link from the entry paragraph is a link that works on Global (and probably US) youtube, the localized top videos differ.

So my suggestion is that the correct reference there should be the following link: http://www.youtube.com/charts/videos_views?gl=US&t=a

currently it opens only as http://www.youtube.com/charts/videos_views?t=a for me, which seemed insufficient to get the right statistics from any point of the Globe.

Logging in won't enable me to Edit the page

Another thing is that while I'm registered from some time now, yet I cannot edit the page even when logged in. ;) Why is that?

Latvian entry?

Apparently this song has charted number 1 in Latvia, just as France has SNEP, and Germany has Media Control AG what's the name of the latvian chart? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azure4arceus (talk • contribs) 20:07, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It has topped China, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, the Philippines & Thailand too, but I don't know how to source for the chart data, although I do have the sources to back me up. ZephyrWind (talk) 08:45, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Billboard Charts

Using Wikipedia:Record charts#Billboard charts, it appears that all four of the current Billboard charts used are correctly included. The page is a guideline. Ryan Vesey 20:44, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The song has climbed up most of the charts steadily and there is little to indicate that it would fail to do so in the near future. If the song doesn't reach top 10 within a few weeks, it might make sense to remove it, but until then, I think the charts should be given a chance to stay, in my humble opinion. -A1candidate (talk) 21:06, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Per the guideline, it doesn't even seem like the song needs to make the top 10. Ryan Vesey 21:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Writing and Production credits

Can someone affirm the way that Psy's writing, direction, and production credits are displayed on the single? AngusWOOF (talk) 00:56, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I referenced the US Billboard Rap Songs chart for the writer credit which is listed as "P. Jai-Sang, Y. Gun-Hyung" but expanded the initials to their family name. Other Billboard charts list it the same way.
"Rap Songs 2012-10-20". Billboard. Nielsen Business Media. 2012-10-01. Retrieved 2012-10-12. AngusWOOF (talk) 16:17, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction Vandalism

""Gangnam Style" has been highly praised for its catchy beat and Psy's humorous dance moves in the music video and nipples live performances."

Please remove "nipples" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.169.107 (talk) 13:55, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why?--88.111.125.204 (talk) 19:04, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who cares about Korean music? This should not be popular at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.137.99 (talk) 02:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 7 October 2012

From the article:

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This yields the following tooltip:

This article is semi-protected until Error: Invalid time..

I don't know what the intended time is (that exact timestamp format isn't familiar to me, I think it contains some timezone data), but I do know that it shouldn't look like this. 81.232.114.228 (talk) 15:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

After digging around a little more, I found the expiry and the desired format. The desired modification is:
Remove: {{pp-protected|expiry=2012-10-17T21:54:ic36Z|small=yes}}
Add:       {{pp-protected|expiry=2012-10-17T21:54:36Z|small=yes}}
--81.232.114.228 (talk) 15:24, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Done RudolfRed (talk) 18:50, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

West Indies team did Gangnam Style during the 2012 ICC world T20 tournament which they won

They did it after every wicket during the final and at the end of the match the whole team did it like crazy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.202.181.34 (talk) 17:38, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

Should a small table describing the song's reception in a few selected foreign countries be included, or would it be better to remove the table and just integrate its contents into the text? Should the reception in a few selected foreign countries even be included in the main article in the first place? -A1candidate (talk) 11:59, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please be more specific on what you're talking about. Are you talking about the charts? Erick (talk) 15:09, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No, not the charts, see Reception (Old version). I know the full table doesn't belong here, but I was wondering if anyone thinks its okay to include a small selection of important countries in the main article. Or should its contents be integrated into the text instead? -A1candidate (talk) 16:40, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh that, yeah I agree with you. There's no need for reception sections to have a table.

Update frequency

I think every time the viewcounter increases by 2 million or more, anyone else's thoughts? 3|9|3|0|K (talk) 19:30, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the video has generated 10 million views daily, do we really need an update 1-2 million views? AngusWOOF (talk) 19:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think the views should be rounded off -A1candidate (talk) 19:43, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Another option is to publish an update whenever a news source mentions the newest number of views. AngusWOOF (talk) 20:37, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That'd be a massive pain I think. Googling news sources to update. 3|9|3|0|K (talk) 19:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it's a pain to dig up a news source. I'm fine with daily. The news will probably report it when it takes over the eighth spot or reaches 500. AngusWOOF (talk) 19:55, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It should be updated daily, with the figure rounded down to the near tens of millions of views eg 416,137,523 views --> 410 million views. --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 08:00, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nearest 5 million IMO. 3|9|3|0|K (talk) 18:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

what's up with the name dropping in the lede?

ok we get it everyone knows this song. you don't need to add the name of every publication or celebrity that has mentioned it.

why are foreigners so thirsty for American attention? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.16.94 (talk) 21:09, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply] 

Or is it American contributors / selfpromotion?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.225.198.194 (talk) 08:25, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

POV

From what I understand from WP:NPOV, as long as opinions are attributed in the text to its rightful sources and not treated as facts, then it seems acceptable to me. The quote seems to be a valid one that represents the opinion of a significant percentage of K-Pop fans, this opinion is also supported by Simon/Martina Stawski's Al Jazeera interview, I think it would be of interest to readers who may want to know what other K-Pop fans think of the song.

Furthermore, the fact that Allkpop and Soompi mentioned about the song immediately after its release is not an opinion but a fact, and in my opinion, should be treated as such. -A1candidate (talk) 07:55, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Gangnam phenomenon

I propose that Gangnam phenomenon be merged into this article, as the "phenomenon" is completely tied to the "Gangnam Style" song and video, and should thus be covered here, not in a separate article. Kaldari (talk) 18:38, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like it's been merged already. AngusWOOF (talk) 03:54, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The page was deleted and simply redirected to this article. This is a page about a song, however, I think the "Gangnam Phenomenon" meets the criteria at WP:N. It seems well covered by many indepedent 3rd party sources. Whoever "merged" it (or rather, blanked the page and redirected it to Gangnam Style without including any of its contents) should have discussed about it first, in my humble opinion -A1candidate (talk) 06:16, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like User:Staszek Lem did the redirect. Kaldari (talk) 21:26, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Publicity stunt

Wondering if it's worth mentioning this rather obvious publicity stunt by a UK radio jock that involves the song. [1] Paul MacDermott (talk) 09:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Misuse of hidden templates

Per MOS:COLLAPSE: "boxes that toggle text display between hide and show, should not conceal article content". This article has 3 such hidden sections. One of these sections is just regular article content and I have no idea why it would be hidden. The other two sections are lengthy lists of quotations. These should be removed or moved to Wikiquote per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. I tried resolving these myself, but was reverted. Kaldari (talk) 22:41, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Im the editor who created those 3 sections (But Im not the one who reverted your edits).
In my opinion, several third party sources have claimed that "celebrity tweets" have been the main reason for the song's success, for example, The Wall Street Journal says that T-Pain tweet "sent [the video] to the stratosphere" and Der Spiegel wrote that the singer owe's his success to Katy Perry's tweet, etc. Taken as a whole, this could be a relevant section that may explain the song's success outside its original country.
Also, as per WP:WORLDVIEW, I thought it could be a good idea to include opinions from sources outside the English speaking world, perhaps the list could be shortened a little to exclude some smaller countries, but I think it might be unfair to remove it completely. I believe the song's reception in some significant countries such Brazil, France, Germany, China, India, etc could be included in a table form, it may be better than simply writing the song's reception in prose, in my humble opinion -A1candidate (talk) 23:40, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why does not the article say that the song is a parody of the Gangnam lifestyle?

A Korean friend tells me that this is all about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.225.198.194 (talk) 08:22, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tracklisting

Wouldn't it be better if this section is merged with Release history? -A1candidate (talk) 15:08, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Horse-riding dance

In the Music Video section, the first line - "The music video shows Psy performing a comical horse-riding dance...." - has a link to "horse-riding". Would it not be better to link to a new page of horse-riding style dances world-wide? I think I'll go ahead and do this. Heavenlyblue (talk) 21:58, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How is that not Wikipedia:Listcruft? AngusWOOF (talk) 06:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

United States NFL Touchdown celebration dances predominantly Gangnam style

In the NFL, the predominant celebration dance after touchdowns are Gangnam Style interpretations. (Best Sunday NFL Dances) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.151.54 (talk) 04:17, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tip, you may add it to Gangnam Style in popular culture -A1candidate (talk) 06:09, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Views

Nothing on the viewcounter issue? 3|9|3|0|K (talk) 14:27, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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