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June 8

Anthony DePalma

My name is Anthony DePalma, which is the byline I've used at The New York Times since 1978. There currently exists a Wikipage for Anthony DePalma which is causing a great deal of confusion. That page more legitimately should be labelled Dr. Anthony F. DePalma, a famous orthopedic surgeon and father of director Brian DePalma. I've considered using my middle initial , R., to differentiate my page from his (now deceased, but that would likely create more confusion in that I have never used my middle initial in my byline or on my books. In the body of the existing article, Dr. DePalma is always referred to as Anthony F. DePalma. It is only in the title that his name appears without the M.I. When I tried to set up a page for Anthony DePalma, I was rejected, and could only reach in with Anthony R. DePalma. I've now had a page prepared, and I am almost ready to submit it, but I would like to see if it is possible to clear this up first. My preference would be for Dr. DePalma's page to be labelled Dr. Anthony F. DePalma, which would release Anthony DePalma so that I could use it myself.

Thanks, ADP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Depalman (talk • contribs) 00:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

If an article is added for you, then whatever name it is under there can be a note added to the existing page that can point to yours. Before you submit your article for review, please read the guidance at WP:AUTO, creating a page for yourself is strongly discouraged. RudolfRed (talk) 00:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I second what RudolfRed was saying about not writing an autobiographical article. See also Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. I have, though, moved the page to Anthony F. DePalma (without the "Dr.") because that appears to be his common name, per reliable sources. We do not add credentials, honorifics or other embellishments to proper names in page title.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Since you've spent some time writing User:Depalman/Anthony R. DePalma, we're probably not going to dissuade you from continuing to work on it. So, some suggestions. First, improve the format of the footnotes (see WP:FOOT and WP:CITE, and/or go into edit mode at an article that has good footnotes, to see how those footnotes are formatted). Second, take out most, or - ideally - all of the detail that's unsupported by the sources you cite. For example, unless a news article has covered information about your children and grandchild, you certainly should omit their names. (If you keep all the detail, it looks like a vanity profile, something anyone could write for themselves: "In his senior year in high school grade, X's English teacher told him ... ") Third, keep in mind that ideally every sentence (or, at worst, every paragraph) would be supported by a footnote (source), and the majority of the sources are not things like your biography or profile at places where you provided information and the organization posted it. (Such profiles are often considered self-published information - not what Wikipedia calls a reliable source.) And fourth, it really would be good to ask another (much more experienced editor) to review the article and move it from your userspace to where regular articles are, rather than your doing it yourself. Otherwise, you may be surprised at how negative a reaction the article may get. (Wikipedia administrators delete about a thousand articles each day.)

As for naming, Wikipedia's practice is to add a descriptor to a subject name when there is possible confusion, such as "(film)" when a book and a film have the same title. For articles about people, we don't expect readers to know middle initials (and we don't use "Dr." in the names of biographical articles). In this case, I'd guess that the best thing would be to title your autobiographical article to Anthony DePalma (writer). -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Text size messed up; not a zooming issue

Due to IE browser issues, I'm using Firefox temporarily. In Monobook, the links on the left side (Toolbox and up) and the text at the top of the page ("project page", "talk", "edit this page", etc., as far as "log out") are all smaller than normal, but I know that it's not a simple case of zooming out by accident: the text everywhere else on the page is the same size as I'm used to seeing. Is there something I can do, e.g. changing preferences, that will make the text all the same size as normal? Nyttend (talk) 01:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

@Nyttend: Doesn't sound like what I'm personally seeing (in Firefox), but we might have different OSes or Firefox versions, or add-ins, or there might be something that is interacting with your browser. Have you considered changing to the (newer) Vector skin? If that's not an option, I suggest reposting at WP:VPT, which tends to get more technical editors who might provide a good answer. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 18:44, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. Firefox is version 19.0 on my computer. Got the browser issues fixed, so I'm back to IE and had forgotten about this entirely. I greatly prefer Monobook, and the size thing was quite trivial — I asked because it seemed to be something that needed to be fixed, but not because it was bothering me — so the lack of an obvious solution isn't really a problem for me. Nyttend (talk) 19:41, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Help

What should I do if I have seen someone that has made dozens of malicious edits? On random pages of Hungarian villages he puts nude pictures and saying they where taken in that village. I have deleted some but don't know how to report him or whatever. Charlie the Pig (talk) 03:44, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Report the user at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism, if he/she doesn't stop after being given a warning on their talk page.-- Brainy J (previously Atlantima) ~✿~ (talk) 04:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Infobox help

I recently added an infobox to Braulio Rodríguez Plaza using a infobox template that has worked for me in the past but for some reason the infobox does not work on this bishop. Can anyone help me fix this infobox for me? I do not know if I put it in wrong. Spongie555 (talk) 05:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Fixed - it's a pity that getting a bracket wrong can have such big effect. -- John of Reading (talk) 05:36, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I knew it had to be something minor. Spongie555 (talk) 05:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

URL anchor

Is there an URL anchor or hook available that one can use to jump to Wiki in the midst of a text file? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.72.81.196 (talk) 06:25, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Please clarify what you mean. A wiki is a type of website. A text file is a type of file. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Some word processing systems will recognise a URL in text, and display them as a clickable link when you read a document on a computer. If that is what you mean, you simply need the URL for a Wikipedia article: you can copy this from the browser bar when you are viewing a page. It will be of the form http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Selfe (for today's featured article, for example). --ColinFine (talk) 21:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Help with Accessibility / no skin / no CSS wanted

Occasionally I need to really enlarge the text to see it better, like 400%. Both left and right margins enlarge uncontrollably, leaving very narrow vertical strip for the text itself.

I used to be able to set no skin in my preferences IIRC (or was there some skin without the side navigation bar perhaps?). On occasion due to some error pages do load without any css/skin; then such pages look best - all the navigation foliage is moved to the page's bottom, and the text takes the whole of the page's width. This is what I need / want.

With the new four skins I don't know how to get rid of the side menu (move it to the bottom).

Choosing "mobile" view doesn't help because it uses its own sans-serif font. I need serif to be able to read better. I've replaced the definition of sans-serif font in my browser (Chrome) with a serif one (Times Roman) but mobile view still shows in sans-serif, and I can't read that (believe it or not).

Please help. Firefox has "no css" option, but Chrome does not. Can a fifth skin option - no skin - be added? How can I move the side boxes to the page's bottom? How can I load a page in Chrome with no CSS? Getting an answer to one of these three questions might help. -- Adcipps (talk) 07:03, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Go to http://www.e how.com/how_10001369_disable-css-chrome.html (remove the space for it to work; site is on Wikipedia's blacklist). (Found via Google search for "how to disable css in chrome?". — The Potato Hose 07:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

thanks for your feedback, but I don't really want to install third-party extensions for that (I've seen that site before). Is there anything I can put into my custom CSS / JS on WP to move the boxes to the bottom of page? Where do I make a request for the fifth, "no skin", option in the Preferences//Appearance//Skins ? Please help. -- Adcipps (talk) 07:36, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

The boxes on the left are referred to as the sidebar; discussion is here: MediaWiki talk:Sidebar. As for a "no CSS" option for a user skin, I'd say that the likelihood of that being implemented is roughly between zero and nil. You best bet, I'd think, would be to disable it using your custom CSS on WP; perhaps talking to an editor who has posted at the talk page of, or editing Help:Cascading Style Sheets, would tell you if that's possible, of whether you could override the default font via custom CSS. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Also, if none of that helps, I'll note that WP:VPT is where the really technical editors hang out. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this. Will try. -- Adcipps (talk) 13:53, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Bold watchlist

How do I prevent my watchlist indicating pages I haven't yet visited in bold? I appreciate there is an option in preferences/gadgets/watchlist but checking/unchecking this box makes no difference. I have also read but completely failed to understand 'Customising watchlists' so if there is an answer there, I need some additional explanation (in plain English). Failing all that, is there a quick way to mark all pages as visited, because I find all this bold text extremely difficult to read (ironically!)--Ykraps (talk) 07:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Pretty sure that the gadget is the only way. You may get more help by reporting the issue at WP:VPT, since this sounds like a technical issue; be sure to specify what version of what browser you're using, and if you're not using the default Vector skin, you'll need to say what skin you're using. Nyttend (talk) 12:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Images in Wheelchair causing a layout problem

Please take a look at the layout of the page. The images in the "Mobility and access" section are "indented" towards the left instead of running down the right margin and are thus squeezing the text into a narrower space than the rest of the page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:36, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any such layout issues. Any chance of a screendump?--Launchballer 10:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

See http://s14.postimg.org/hvrbendnl/Wheelchair.png Rojomoke (talk) 11:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I was seeing the same thing. I have added {{clear}} at the top of the section where the overlap begins.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:57, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

That's fixed it, thanks! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Google Chrome has difficulty with copying coordinates (latitude/longitude).

Most geographic articles in Wikipedia these days have, near the top right hand corner of the article, the coordinates of the location in question as a hyperlink to GeoHack. In Internet Explorer or in Apple Safari, it is possible to very easily copy those coordinates to the clipboard in the usual way. It is possible, and in fact very easy, to copy the coordinates with both right-to-left and left-to-right mouse motions.

However, in Google Chrome, this is very difficult to do. It is possible to copy the coordinates left-to-right, but it requires very precise mouse motion - by very carefully starting on the single and not very obvious white space immediately after the "Coordinates:" link. However, it is not possible to copy the coordinates right-to-left. Any attempt to do so will copy the coordinates and vast amounts of surrounding text and pictures.

This problem appears to be generic within Google Chrome, in that it occurs on both the Windows and the Apple versions of the product. Old_Wombat (talk) 11:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

It takes an extra mouse click, but I find it better to go to the GeoHack page and copy the coordinates from the top of that page. I use IE and can copy degrees-minutes-seconds title coordinates with a very careful right-to-left mouse drag; but if the coordinates are in decimal form, I can't manage to copy them at all without the problem you describe. Deor (talk) 12:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

So ... You do agree that there is a problem? Question is ... Is this a problem within Chrome, or is this a problem with Wikipedia HTML code? If the latter, do you think that "something" should be done about it? 58.166.81.234 (talk) 12:47, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Browsers usually mark a paragraph with a triple click. On the space after "Coordinates:" you can try to triple click to mark both "Coordinates:″ and the coordinates. You can then remove "Coordinates:" after pasting. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

There's a Wiki Mini Atlas icon/link between "Coordinates:" and the actual coordinates that probably has something to do with the difficulty. I just attribute it to the inexplicable behavior of computers. Deor (talk) 13:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Joseph Isabelle

This article should be moved to Gaston Isabelle (currently a redirect), which is the name by which he was always known. The obituary in the links confirms this. Joseph was the first name of every other French Canadian boy born in the first 60 years on the 20th century (as the name Marie was given to almost all girls), but in practice it was not used. A few other other sources: [1]; [2] [3]. The article af fr:wp is also under Gaston. --Xuxl (talk) 13:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Done. Reliable source overwhelmingly confirm your contention of his common name. For future reference, a direct way to make such a request is at the technical section of requested moves. Moreover, in this case, there did not appear to be any technical impediment, and you could have simply been bold and moved the page yourself.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

In Deutschland Erwache (ISBN 0-912138-69-6), Ulric of England (sic) says:

Swastika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

.... In Deutschland Erwache (ISBN 0-912138-69-6), Ulric of England (sic) says:

Dear Sir

Ulric of England is a company name. The company name is sometimes used by company proprietor and author Ulric Woodhams.

Given the above, please kindly remove '(sic)' from the above reference

Thank you

Ulric Woodhams Ulric of England — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.156.86 (talk) 14:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Confused. Are you asking Wikipedia's volunteer Help Desk to remove "(sic)" from a published source? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

No, he's quoting the text he is objecting to from our article swastika. It introduces a quotation from the book (which ought to be formatted as a proper citation - but it appears to be self-published, so I'm not certain it counts as a reliable source). Ulric, I understand why you are unhappy with the '(sic)', but I also see why somebody put it in, since a name of that form sounds unusual for a modern source. In any case, the place for further discussion on this is Talk:swastika. --ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

On the one hand, I was totally confused, so thanks for the explanation. On the other hand, questions as strange as that come through here constantly, no? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of history of my user page

For privacy protection (i.e. sensitive personal information matters), I would like to ask you to delete all previous records and versions of my user page (User:Finefir2001) other than the current version. or... Is there any method to do it by myself? Finefir2001 (talk) 16:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

 Done by User:TParis. In the future, you can use {{db-g7}} with the instructions and an admin will pop by and delete it for you :) Charmlet (talk) 16:44, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Many Thanks. Finefir2001 (talk) 16:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Page full of lies

Michal Belej article full of lies. He born in 1984 not 1982. Not futsul player for team Tango Brno. Playing position not winger. Change these lies. Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia = sky full of liars. Beware of destructionists Wikipedia. --Czech Czecg (talk) 18:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

You can change it yourself, if you find and cite reliable sources to support your edits.-- Brainy J (previously Atlantima) ~✿~ (talk) 18:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, if the Wikipedia article is full of lies, they are lies that were first told by UEFA: [4] has all of the same information as Wikipedia does. --Jayron32 18:24, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

UEFA = sky full of liars, beware of destructionists UEFA --Czech Czecg (talk) 18:47, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Malware warning on a source

So this source on the Chow Chow page gives me a malware warning when I tried to check it (the url threw up a reliable source red flag for me). Is there a way I can safely see the contents of the page? --TKK ^{bark !} 19:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Proceeding at my own risk, as it were, chucks up a "This page cannot be displayed" error. Tag it as a dead link or erase it.--Launchballer 20:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

That's not a reliable source, so I've removed the sentence and its footnote. More generally, you can safely look at old versions of many web pages via the Internet Archive - in this case , see here. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Copyright

Hello,

You have said that you haven't added the Hunter G. Williams page because of copyright infringement. I assure you that's not possible as I wrote the info myself for this site as well as Imdb. Please untag the page and make it live.

Justin Chien — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.210.29.142 (talk) 19:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey Justin; please see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Cheers, Theopolisme (talk) 20:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Michel Bernholc

I'm working on a version of it in userspace. There is an article at de:Michel Bernholc, but it contains no references whatsoever AND the google translate version of it makes it illegible. Anyone who speaks decent German willing to help?--Launchballer 20:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Try WP:TRANSLATE, and a list of translators is available here. Hope that helps, jcc (tea and biscuits) 20:41, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Article on our radio station at WQJJ-LP

I apologize for asking in this manner but, can someone please teach me to update the logo of our radio station (which is no longer on 97.7-FM and has moved to 100.1-FM) in the article at WQJJ-LP so that it no longer sends people to the wrong location on the radio dial?

The station's website is at http://www.worldwidefm.com and anyone who can help with this is welcome to download the new logo and correct this but, I would really like to be able to know how to correct matters such as this without disturbing anyone in the future.

Thanks in advance, Keith Hammond General Manager - 100.1 Fox-FM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.143.121.192 (talk) 21:12, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

That's done. I downloaded the new logo from your site, then clicked on the old logo on the article. That took me to the image page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WQQQ-LP_radio_logo.png (or just File:WQQQ-LP_radio_logo.png). There I clicked on the "Upload a new version of this file", entered the filename on my machine, and voila! Rojomoke (talk) 22:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Mr Hammond, nobody can upload new images without first registering a user account. This is basically to prevent people from playing with our images and changing them inappropriately, since it's easier to stop people doing this when they're using a registered account. Since you don't appear to have an account, your decision to come here was basically the best thing you could have done. Thank you! Nyttend (talk) 23:09, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, folks! I'll set up an account and "play" a bit (without making any changes) to see what I can and cannot do. I do appreciate this. Thanks very much! 75.143.121.192 (talk) 01:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I do see where the changes were made and I do even see the correct thumbnail for new logo on the actual image page but, the old logo is still showing on the main page (article). Is this something that will correct when links update over time or, is this something that actually has not yet happened? Monsterfm (talk) 02:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm seeing the new purple logo in the article, but your browser may not have realised that the image has changed. If you go to the page and then bypass your browser cache (Ctrl-F5 in many browsers) you should see the new logo. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:22, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Keith, and welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you do create an account, and become a contributor; but in case you should feel inclined to edit WQJJ-LP, please read WP:COI before you do. Apologies if I am telling you something you already know. --ColinFine (talk) 10:01, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

The content re Pero Anes do Canto is wrong

John of Kent did not accompany Edward, the Black Prince, to Castile. It was John Gaunt and he was not an ancestor of Pero Anes do Canto. The correct info can be found in Four Gothic Kings, edited by Elizabeth Hallam, published by Weidenfeld & Nicolson, NY, pp. 286-301 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.40.107.32 (talk) 22:49, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source stating that the information is wrong, please either edit the article, citing the reliable source, or discuss on the article's talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for the correction. Robert has replied with some standard information, but from what you have said, you have a reliable reference. Since the article Pero Anes do Canto is unreferenced, anybody may remove information that they think is wrong, especially if they have a reference. I would encourage you to edit the article to correct it, preferably citing the book you have (see WP:Referencing for beginners for how to do this). Don't worry if you make a mistake: see WP:BOLD. (I could do the edit, but I should not really put in that citation, since I have not seen the book). --ColinFine (talk) 10:11, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Where do I find council meeting minutes?

How do I log in to get council agenda meeting minutes I can't seem to find the info on main page? Thank you.~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.94.46 (talk) 23:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. RudolfRed (talk) 00:00, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

June 9

Commons Link

My userpage gallery is become harder and harder to maintain. I've been trying (without luck) to replace the userpage gallery with my commons "Category:Photographs by Wiki ian" which will involve some interwiki typing but trial and error gets me no-where and I have no idea where to find the answer. Your help would be much appreciated, Wiki ian 00:59, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

The link [[:commons:Category:Photographs by Wiki ian]] produces commons:Category:Photographs by Wiki ian. Is that what you want? If you want to display the contens of the category on a page here then it's not possible. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:46, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Please note WP:NOTWEBHOST. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 17:57, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Notability Question About Store

I would like to write an article about a local store that is considered a "community institution". My question has to do with the business notability guidelines. According to Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), "On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, national, or international source is necessary." Is the Washington Post considered a regional source as one of the two secondary sources that I have found? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Possibly. With a borderline notability call like this, the depth of coverage in your various sources will probably be the clincher, though. WP:RSN is probably the best place to ask. - Karenjc 08:01, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect photo

When I googled Alfred Masters a picture of Jimmy Stewart is seen instead of his. How do I remove that one and upload a correct photo of Alfred Masters for both the Wikipedia article about him and a picture for the internet search? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desertdragon11111 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

From previous questions here, this is a Google problem. It is displaying content from Wikipedia and other sites. We have no control over Google and what it displays. RudolfRed (talk) 04:23, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

(ec) Do you mean the picture that appears on the Google search results page? That has nothing to do with Wikipedia, and we have no control over it. The wikipedia page Alfred Masters doesn't contain an image. If you know of one that's in the public domain, you could upload it to Wikimedia Commons. Rojomoke (talk) 04:30, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Regarding uploading an image of Masters, see Wikipedia:Uploading images. Note that there are strict conditions regarding copyright etc. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:32, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Need help sorting a page move

Hi, I'm trying to move Coronavirinae back to Coronavirus where it belongs but the move won't go through. It says that the article "coronavirus" already exists. I need help sorting this. Someone moved Coronavirus to Coronavirinae back in May and his edit summary says they are the same thing. But they're not. The current article is about Coronavirus which is the species and that's the name the article should rightly have. Coronavirinae is the subfamily. There is an important distinction. The page move is too old to simply 'undo' what with all the edits that came after. Can someone help? Also, I'm writing the article "coronavirinae' so I need that to go back to being a red link. I'd appreciate help tonight, as this is the time I have to write the article. Thanks. Malke 2010 (talk) 06:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Looks like you sorted it out. Rojomoke (talk) 07:33, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

So sorry I didn't get back here so you wouldn't go to any trouble. I was able to ask Malik Shabazz for help as he was still online. My apologies. And thank you for your efforts.Malke 2010 (talk) 07:49, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Need help with referencing a Wikipedia web page from another Wikipedia web page

Can someone please help me with the editing of the page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_stock so that my clarifying statement correctly references the Wikipedia web page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographic_unit. My clarifying statements says ""The US Card Stock Thickness Point size is 0.001". It must not be confused with the US Typographical Point Size of 1 point = 1/ 12 traditional pica = exactly 0.013 83 inch = 0.351 36 mm. "" I want to add a reference in my clarifying statement that refers to the web page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographic_unit How do I add a reference into my clarifying statement ? Thanks ! DanMcGarigle — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanMcGarigle (talk • contribs) 06:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia can't use itself as a reference. If you have a reliable source in the typographic unit article, just refer to the same source in the card stock article. JIP | Talk 07:30, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

You could simply add a wikilink to the sentence at an apropriate place, such as: ""The US Card Stock Thickness Point size is 0.001". It must not be confused with the US Typographical Point Size of 1 point = 1/ 12 traditional pica = exactly 0.013 83 inch = 0.351 36 mm. "" I think that would be sufficient, the curious reader can then simply follow the link to the other article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Creating a new Commons category

Is this the correct place to ask about WikiMedia Commons? I feel the need to create a new category in Commons. Do I just create it or do I need to discuss it somewhere first? I have found that there are quite many images of nude or partially nude women in bondage in the category commons:Category:Bondage, but there is no category commons:Category:Nude or partially nude women in bondage. There is only the rather specific category commons:Category:Women wearing high-heeled shoes in bondage but no category commons:Category:Women in bondage by clothing or anything. JIP | Talk 06:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

There's a Commons:Help_desk. Rojomoke (talk) 07:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Roberto Chabet Biography

Dear Wikipedia,

I am Ringo Bunoan, the archivist for the artist Roberto Chabet, who recently passed away. I do not know who created his profile on Wikipedia, but I know that the information has been vandalized several times by some users. What has been written is false, malicious and damaging to his reputation. I just edited the page a while ago to remove the offensive revisions and I will be closely monitoring the page.

I am appealing to Wikipedia to address this serious matter. I understand your position in enabling the public to create information but when the information is incorrect and hurtful, I believe you should do something to stop it.

Ringo Bunoan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.144.70.44 (talk) 08:32, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for reverting the vandalism introduced into the article by an unregistered IP address just over a month ago, in this edit. Wikipedia takes vandalism seriously and.encourages users to revert edits such as this on sight. Users patrol constantly for vandalism and much of it is indeed caught within a very short time. You are most welcome to watch this article closely, and revert any further unequivocal vandalism of this type. However, please bear in mind that you have a conflict of interest due to your relationship to the subject of the article, and you are discouraged from editing the article in other ways. If you want to make any changes to it other than the reversion of unequivocal vandalism, the way forward is to start a discussion on the article's talk page. -Karenjc 10:06, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Ringo. It is possible to ask for a page to be semiprotected, so that unregistered users cannot edit it; but requests will normally only be granted if a page has been subject to frequent vandalism. As far as I can see, Roberto Chabet has only been vandalised once recently, and while this must be distressing to somebody who knew a recently deceased person, it is probably not serious enough for Wikipedia to justify protection. --ColinFine (talk) 10:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

User:Alex4128

The user page for Alex4128 steals my biographical content right off my own user page and is used to promote a sex site. Probably a fake, please help me in getting this page deleted, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slugguitar (talk • contribs) 09:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I have created a separate header for this request. Thanks for noticing it, I have found that User:Alex4128's only contribution ever was to copy your user page and add a link to a sex site to it. This was five and a half years ago. I have deleted the user page and blocked User:Alex4128 indefinitely as it's unlikely the user account will ever be used for anything other than vandalism. JIP | Talk 09:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

bhagat singh is a song with singers honey sing and Nishawn Bhullar there is mistake about it in honey singh's data page

bhagat singh is a song with singers honey sing and Nishawn Bhullar there is mistake about it in honey singh's data page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.205.79.234 (talk) 13:16, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source for your information, then you are welcome to edit the article Honey Singh to correct it. (Actually, the current information is not sourced, so you could change it anyway. But it would be better if you could cite a published source). --ColinFine (talk) 19:03, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Anthony NOGHES

As I am his son, I believe I am entitled to edit the page dedicated to my father Antony NOGHES. His first name was misspelled Anthony instead of Antony. I have also allowed myself to add some of his significant achievements and to remove a reference that is not relevant. Gilles NOGHES — Preceding unsigned comment added by GIALERNO (talk • contribs) 14:16, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I see that you have already changed all instances of his name in the article. I searched for information and it all points to his name being Anthony. For this reason I am hesitant to move the page. Could you perhaps give me some more info as to why his name would be misspelt? Falkirks^Talk 14:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

You also removed the Reflist which created an error. I have put it back. Please refrain from adding more unsourced material to replace the sourced material. Falkirks^Talk 14:40, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

There are plenty of sources using Antony, e.g., [5]. There just appear to be more that use Anthony.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Gilles. As his son, you are positively discouraged from editing that page, for reasons explained at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. You are very welcome to make suggestions for editing the page, on its talk page Talk:Antony Noghès, but you should leave it to uninvolved editors to make the changes. Any suggestions you do make are much more likely to be taken up if you provide citations to reliable published sources for the information.

As for the name, I see that the only discussion so far on the talk page is a question from 2011 (unanswered) asking which spelling to use. That question said that the MCA webpage had both spellings on the same page, but at present it says only 'Anthony'. Given that the references are divided, I have moved the page according to your request. --ColinFine (talk) 19:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Correction

Re Wikpedia article on my father, Rabbi Arthur J. Lelyveld: I am incorrectly identified as follows: "His son David Lelyveld is an authority on the frontier tribes of South Asia and is Professor of History at William Patterson University." I am a historian of Modern India with a special interest in South Asian Muslims [NOT frontier tribes]. I retired a year ago from my position as Professor of History at William Paterson University and am now an independent scholar. David Lelyveld

Corrected text:"His son David Lelyveld is a historian of Modern India with a special interest in South Asian Muslims. He retired in 2012 as Professor of History at William Paterson University and is now an independent scholar." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.107.167 (talk) 15:45, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I've changed the text, though not to what you requested. Neither the existing nor proposed information has a source (citation); more importantly, even if there was a source, the article is about Arthur Lelyveld, not his children, so it should not go into any detail about them, unless that's relevant to his life as described in an acceptable source. (Doing some quick checking on the web, the proposed text looks correct, but that's not the point, I think.) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 18:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

should a footnote be concise

Is it preferable to write a footnote without quotation, like:' <rrrref>Morris (2008), p. 81.</rrrref>'

or is it better to include a citation, like: '<rrrref>Morris, 1948, p. 81. "At the start of the civil war, Whitehall believed that the Arabs would prevail. “In the long run the Jews would not be able to cope . . . and would be thrown out of Palestine unless they came to terms with [the Arabs],” was the considered judgment of the Chief of the Imperial General Staff"</rrrref> ' Ykantor (talk) 16:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

So, to continue with your example, the way I would do it depends on the number of references to one specific book in an article. If there's only one or two, I'd use {{cite book}} or the appropriate template each time, and then {{reflist}} under a header at the bottom. If there's more than 2 or so, I'd use a list at the bottom under a Bibliography heading with one instance of the {{cite book}} template, and then for the references use <ref>Morris p17</ref> or something like that, to reference the bibliography entry. Regardless, it's usually not normal to include a quotation in the reference. Hope this helps - Charmlet (talk) 16:49, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Agree with Charmlet. There are numerous citation styles that we use here (see WP:CITEVAR), and some of them use the shortened citations like you're giving. Regarding the quotation, that's normally not a good idea. Really the only reason to give a quotation is to enable others to see what it says; a quotation like this is only useful under the fair use standards, so if it's not needed, it's inappropriate. Since someone can always click a link for an online source, you shouldn't quote them in citations. Generally, the only time it's done is with an obscure print source ("please provide the text, since I can't get the source to verify it") or with a really contentious topic for which people want to be sure that you're not twisting the meaning of the source. With all that said, I'd advise you never to include a quote unless others ask for it. Nyttend (talk) 01:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Charmlet and Nyttend. I accept your advice of course. However, for my curiosity only, initially I had the opposite view. the reasons:

• It is better to keep the article as concise as possible, thus it would be better to move the citation to the footnote.
• If the article concise text is not sufficiently detailed, one can read more in the citation (in the footnote).

Again, it is for my curiosity only. Ykantor (talk) 10:38, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

"If the article concise text is not sufficiently detailed..." add more detail to the article. Wikipedia is not paper so pages can stretch and split into more pages without any (practical) limit. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:38, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, it is not a paper, but there are desired limitations. e.g. > 100 kB Almost certainly should be divided . However, there are much larger articles. Anyway, one can not split articles of Churchill or WW2. It might be condensed, but that is a lot of work. Who would volunteer to concise it? Ykantor (talk) 15:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

timer uses

dear sir, i want to know that "how could we use timer with a command button"

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.78.9.218 (talk) 16:38, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I took the trouble to reformat your question. The Help Desk is a forum for asking about using Wikipedia itself. Based on your question, I think you want to ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing, although "how could we use timer with a command button" is very vague. Which operating system? Which development environment? JIP | Talk 17:32, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Information about the place Flåm

All the photos are from Fretheim. The real Flåm, is were the chuch is. Flåm harbour, and Flåm station is located at Fretheim. The farm Flåm, is 3,5 kilomerter from Fretheim and the sea (fjord). Nice if somebody also could show pictures from the real Flåm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.213.146.180 (talk) 17:41, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit the article, citing reliable sources, or discuss on the article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

A reversion that wasn't

I was notified that my very minor edit was reverted. However, the supposed reversion was not a reversion of my edit at all. Any idea how this happens? Is this a known bug? Thanks, Brycehughes (talk) 18:58, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

From what I understand, the WP:Echo system notifies you of a "reversion" when an edit is made using the WP:UNDO or WP:ROLLBACK features of the MediaWiki software. What this looks like is that someone hit "undo", but then didn't actually undo your edit but made another edit instead. I would say that it's nothing to be worried about :) Happy editing! Charmlet (talk) 19:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

The IP has done this many times. I have posted to User talk:190.124.162.159#Use of the Undo link. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:49, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

table formatting de-bug

See the font of the two captions in the figure table here. It looks like the left font is smaller. Please make it bigger so it matches that on the right.TCO (talk) 22:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

It looks the same to me in Firefox. Try to clear your cache. Does it still look different? What is your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:35, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

OK. I zoomed it and it looks the same. But at scale seemed different. No biggie. We're done.

Deletion

This is Robert Swetz and I have login with user name swetz777 I previously submitted some information on my new novel DARK SIDE OF DAVID All of the information that I submitted was my own and it has been deleted twice now! If there is something that I can change in order to keep this information on Wikipedia please help me. If for any reason my subject matter is being deleted because of content and or people do not like my information and or personal opinions, I would suggest Wikipedia be (Very Careful).

A great source of information that Wikipedia creates for readers of the World Wide Web could also be talked about, blogged about, etc in a very (Negative) way.

Robert Swetz - Author of the novel Dark Side of David — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swetz777 (talk • contribs) 23:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Robert, no one is trying to bring you down, man. But Wiki just doesn't think it is important enough. You need to wait until it gets significant press coverage (e.g. New York Times). Go ahead and publicize it on youtube and the like...but Wiki only has encyclopedia topics on things that are "notable". There's more stuff than in Britannica, but the philosophy is still the same. Also, probably better not to create articles like that yourself (that tout you or your work). If it really gets notable, than someone will make an article out of it.TCO (talk) 23:19, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

OK...I just read the speedies. It's not a copyright vio if you verify who you are. But it is going to get deleted regardless for the reason above. Nothing harsh meant...it's just not notable.TCO (talk) 23:23, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Veiled threats to say and write disparaging things about Wikipedia if it does not promote your new novel really won't help either. - Karenjc 23:40, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey there Mr. Swetz! I'm sorry to hear that you've had a bad time writing on Wikipedia, we certainly don't try to be unfriendly. From what I understand, your article on your upcoming book has been deleted. To resolve this in the future, make sure it's not promotional in any way. The best way to do this is to have it go through the Articles for Creation process, where an experienced editor will review it before it's moved to articlespace. This way, instead of deletion, it'll stay so you can improve it until it's accepted. Also, you need to make sure the book is notable, for a simpler version see WP:42.

I'd also like to refer you to the live help channel #wikipedia-en-help ^connect where you can come get help in realtime from a variety of editors. Using that is totally up to you, and you're more than welcome to continue here instead, but just be aware there is a live-help as an option.

Hope this helps, Charmlet (talk) 23:46, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

• I must disagree with Charmlet's suggestion about how to resolve in the future. I will say very firmly: kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your book is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:52, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
  • As RHaworth has access to the deleted articles, I'd strongly take his suggestion over mine. Also, as mentioned before, making veiled threats of "suggest Wikipedia be (Very Careful)" aren't going to get you anywhere, except potentially blocked from editing, if anything. Charmlet (talk) 23:58, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
    • To elaborate on Charmlet's point: do not make legal threats. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
      • He didn't make a legal threat. He threatened to disparage Wikipedia in a blog unless we tout his book. Maproom (talk) 06:34, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

June 10

USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69)

I'm a former crewmember of the 'IKE' and noticed several parts of the Deployment History were in need of citations for validation of the affected passages. What type of information is considered a bona fide source of information? I have four cruise books, one for each deployment when I was aboard the carrier, and may be able to access and cite other sources as needed to help out. Thank you for your time and assistance in this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Don tireman (talk • contribs) 02:37, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Don. What we look for are reliable, published, independent, secondary sources (though published primary sources can be used carefully). Think reputable books, newspaper articles, magazine write ups, television documentaries, etc., reporting on matters with which they are unconnected. I emphasized the word published because I got the impression from what you wrote that the "cruise books" are like logs taken from the ship that may be unpublished (but after looking and finding sites like this one my impression may be unfounded). If they have been published they can be used, though we would certainly prefer a secondary source.

We could always use a helping hand, especially by someone who understands the source material in the way you must, having lived it. That lack of distance can also be a two edged sword because you know things that are not in sources. Please just remember that we don't allow original research; as a tertiary source, Wikipedia articles properly synthesize what published secondary and primary sources have already said about a topic, and we do so using neutral language and content. If you need help with the technical aspects of citing sources, I would start with referencing for beginners, and you could always drop us a note here. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Robert Marien

Bonjour,

Sur la page française de Wikipédia, Robert Marien est né en 1955, sur la page Wikipédia anglaise, il est né en 1956, et sur IMDB il est aussi né en 1956...peut-être la page française est-elle fausse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.30.92.181 (talk) 03:16, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

My French isn't that good, but this indicates 1955, if Mr. Marien is being quoted (I can't tell). -- John Broughton (♫♫) 03:59, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

You're right, John Broughton. --ColinFine (talk) 21:56, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Arranging userboxes

Hi there, I'm normally good with coding, but I'm having a bad day. Could someone give me some pointers on how to arrange userboxes on my page?

Preferably neatly arranged in a table with borders, but anything works.

Thanks alot,

Dantheman4297 (talk) 08:04, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

On My userpage, I use the following :-

{| name="userboxes" id="userboxes" style="float: right; margin-top: 2em; margin-right: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; width: 242px; border: #99B3FF solid 1px; clear: right" |-
| style="text-align: center"
|-
|}

Just put the userboxes in like this -

|-
| {{USERBOX}}
|-

Hope that's clear :) Mdann52 (talk) 08:34, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Mine are in a table with each row a different type/theme of userboxes - take a look. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:48, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, but I still don't get it? Do you have permission to edit my user page and do it for me? If so can you do it please? Thanks,

Dantheman4297 (talk) 08:57, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I've made an edit, padding each user box to the same depth so that they arrange themselves neatly. Any good? Feel free to undo it, of course. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:01, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

It's great, I really like it. Thanks so much for your help, it is exactly what I wanted.

Thanks,
Dantheman4297 (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

can an article about the SEF be added please?

http : // www . sef.scot.nhs . uk/ Scottish Enhanced Functionality - health board (SEF) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.254.184.38 (talk) 08:55, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Here is a correctly formatted version of the URL: http://www.sef.scot.nhs.uk/ . It seems to me unlikely that this organisation is notable enough to justify a Wikipedia article about it. Maproom (talk) 09:51, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

How to change the headline

There is an article in English about the Amiga game called "Turboraketti II". The headline is misleading because there is no such game. "Turboraketti" does exist but it doesn't have a sequel (although many sources in Internet suggests so). In the Finnish version of the same article there is a link to the review where the creator of the game explains that there is a beta version and the final version of the same game and some people think that the final version is the sequel but that's not true. How can I change the headline "Turboraketti II" to "Turboraketti"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Testerinen (talk • contribs) 12:51, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

 Done - you are unable to change titles, as you are not part of the right user groups yet. You need 10 edits, and 4 days on Wikipedia to move pages. Mdann52 (talk) 12:57, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism revert please

Could someone please revert the vandalism to Note 31 at List of longest runways. I can't see how to fix it. Thanks.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:07, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Dealt with. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:11, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Making large scale edits to a page

I am an employee of Alpha International and we are looking to update ~30% of the content on the Alpha course page (Alpha course). Please could you advise on what is best practice in carrying out large edits. All 'new' content is in line with the organisation's development and re-branding. I welcome your recommendations.Lsimpson2013 (talk) 14:01, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Don't - you have a clear conflict of interest in editing the page at all - please read our policy here. If you wish to suggest changes on the talk page, and provide reliable third party sources for these - not your own primary sources - then an uninvolved editor wiill make the appropriate changes. Arjayay (talk) 14:11, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

That article is already too promotional, and many of the references it cites are clearly not independent. Maproom (talk) 15:50, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

and one which claimed to be from "The Independent on Sunday" (a respected UK newspaper) was in fact from the organisation's own web site. Maproom (talk) 15:57, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Also see WP:NOT, since you may not have a clear sense of what the rules here say that Wikipedia articles should and should not be. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:42, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Help needed

How do I site an internet reference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avkendall (talk • contribs) 15:42, 10 June 2013‎ (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources and Template:Cite web. Dru of Id (talk) 15:55, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Can you "unthank" someone?

Recently there has appeared a new "thank" link when you look at an article's history. Since it is right next to the "undo" link, and is located right where the "undo" button used to be, I have accidently clicked it when trying to undo a bad edit. Is there a way for me to undo thanking someone for a bad edit? Deli nk (talk) 18:08, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Wait. This question was recently raised at Wikipedia talk:Notifications/Thanks, and they've put together a solution, which I quote: Per the feedback we received on the problems with the Thank links, we've added a confirmation step: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/67591/. The code still needs to be reviewed and merged, but it should go out some time in the next few weeks. Kaldari (talk) 04:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC). Basically, there's nothing you can do about it right now, but once they get this software update finished, you'll be asked to confirm that you've clicked the right button. I don't think an undo feature would be workable — the recipient is notified immediately, so undoing a thanks would be as impossible as un-sending an email. Nyttend (talk) 18:13, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

That would be a good solution. Thanks! Deli nk (talk) 18:18, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

EDIT AN IMAGE

There is a photo of me on my page that I did not place there. I don't like it and want to replace or remove it. How do I go about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.228.177 (talk) 19:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

There is nothing at all on your user page so you will have to give us more specific information. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

If you mean that there is an article about you in the encyclopaedia and you want to provide a better image to replace the existing one, you can do this, but you must (a) own the copyright or get the copyright holder's permission (and prove it), and (b) be prepared to license it appropriately so that other people can take it and reuse it afterwards. You cannot, for example, upload an image if you are only prepared to allow it to be used on Wikipedia. Information is at Wikipedia:Uploading images. Once you have successfully uploaded a suitable image under an appropriate licence, you can insert it into the article - see Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. If you are removing the existing picture, it would be good practice to discuss your grounds for doing so on the article's talk page: for example, if the new image is more recent or of a better quality than the old one, or you are more recognisable in it, then those would be good grounds for the change. Please read WP:COI so that you are aware of the potential problems of making changes to articles with which you have a close association. - Karenjc 20:35, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Searching a wikipedia article for keywords

Once I am reading an article, I would like to be able to search within the article and have it highlight all the instances of a word or phrase within the article. I read the advanced search information, and if the information I want was there, I wasn't able to understand it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by R Stillwater (talk • contribs) 19:17, 10 June 2013 (UTC) RStillwater (talk) 19:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Hold down the CTRL key and press F. A small search box will appear in any browser. Type your word there. — The Potato Hose 19:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Or Command-F on a Mac. Howicus (talk) 19:45, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

To add to what the Potato Host and Howicus said: this is a function Wikipedia does not provide, because all modern browsers do provide it. --ColinFine (talk) 22:00, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

But it's an extremely useful feature many people (apparently an amazing 90% [6]) don't know so I have added it to Help:Searching.[7] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:14, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Switch Communications

Switch Communications official name has been change to Switch and their website is now http://www.switchlv.com/

Change needs to be made on the following page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switch_Communications — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.80.204.77 (talk) 19:43, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

The article has been updated and moved to Switch (company). PrimeHunter (talk) 21:50, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

destroyers at nomnandy omission

uss Herndon dd638 on station off beach before any landings june sixth

provided fire support for troops in naval ships history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.77.165.140 (talk) 20:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

If you think any change should be made to the article USS Herndon (DD-638), you should suggest it on that article's talk page, Talk:USS Herndon (DD-638). However, it appears to me that that info is already there. Rojomoke (talk) 21:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Show Improved Diff View not working

I have the green "show improved diff view" delta on my diff pages. It stopped working about a month ago, without my having made any changes I am aware of to my settings, same computer, same browser, etc. Now I get a one-line deep empty box below the delta with no diff shown when I click on it. Any suggestions on how to get back the actual enhanced view? Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 20:59, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

It works for me. Try to clear your entire cache. What is your browser and skin? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:45, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I use Safari and Monobook. I have purged my cache through the browser and using shift reload. Still just getting an empty box under the green delta after I click on it. μηδείς (talk) 21:50, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps someone could tell me how to turn the function off entirely, then how to restore it? I searched the archives for this, and the preferences, and am clueless at this point. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 22:01, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Safari is not listed at User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff#Supported browsers. I have tested Safari on Windows Vista and it also fails for me in both Monobook and Vector. You have it in User:Medeis/vector.js but if you use Monobook then that code is not activated so you must have enabled wikEdDiff or wikEd at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. You said "It stopped working about a month ago" and User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff.js was edited 15 May. Maybe that broke something in Safari which is apparently not among the officially supported browsers, so changes may not be tested in Safari. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:34, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't know JavaScript but my testing shows it was indeed the 15 May update from wikEdDiff 0.9.17 to 0.9.18 which broke it in Safari. I copied the old version to User:PrimeHunter/wikEdDiff 0.9.17.js, disabled wikEdDiff at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and added this to Special:MyPage/common.js:

importScript('User:PrimeHunter/wikEdDiff 0.9.17.js');

I don't know which 0.9.18 changes may be missed but at least it runs in Safari. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:49, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I have posted the issue to User talk:Cacycle/wikEdDiff#Version 0.9.18 broken in Safari. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:58, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I created User:Medeis/common.js with [8] with the suggested script, used the browser empty cache function, as well as shift reload, and rebooted. I am still not getting the enhanced diff. I requested help before adding a special page for script that lets me click an X on my watchlist to unwatch a page. I had no difficulty creating it, but it didn't work until someone came along last week and did something to "approve" the page. Do I need an admin's attention on this page I just created to get it working? And do these scripts need to be on the same page, or their own pages? Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 00:24, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

User:Medeis/common.js is right and doesn't require someone to do something. I have the same code at User:PrimeHunter/common.js. Did you remember to disable wikEd/wikEdDiff at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets? Others cannot do it for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Haha! I just came back to say that I had forgotten to disable the gadget, and now that I have done so it works!

You guys are amazing. (To think I can write the line code to give you free Bell Telephone service for life....)

Thanks! μηδείς (talk) 00:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Great! Note that if you should later change skin to Vector then you will have the same version conflict because User:Medeis/vector.js loads the current wikEdDiff version. User:Medeis/common.js is loaded in all skins. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll keep that in mind. But, frankly, if I could go back to Netscape 2.0 I would. μηδείς (talk) 01:07, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

Mass re-formatting of dates

The references in List of libertarians in the United States, due to its previous incarnation as List of libertarians, use exclusively date-before-month style dates, whereas the article's national specificity now requires date-before-month per WP:STRONGNAT. Is there any tool I can use to quickly and painlessly change them to the correct format? I'm aware of WP:AWB but don't really have access to a PC on which I can install software. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

You can tag the article with {{Use mdy dates}}; the documentation there notes that the purpose of the tag is to flag the article for a bot to systematically keep all of the dates of the correct format; though I don't know one way or the other if this has been implemented. --Jayron32 21:31, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand that documentation. There are more than 35,000 articles with that template (visible only in edit mode); if there is a bot involved, it would have to be one that swept through all 35,000 articles periodically, or monitored recent changes against a list of over 35,000 articles.

More practically, one might look at Wikipedia:Date formattings#Tools. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

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Brian Kosoff

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Brian Kosoff (born 1957) is a photographer from New York who has had a successful career working as both a commercial and fine arts photographer. While still in his teens, Mr. Kosoff began capturing images of urban landscapes, a genre that is indicative of his later work. However, prior to making landscape images, he pursued a career in commercial photography that earned him a roster of lucrative clients as well as the most prestigious awards in the advertising and publishing industries. In 2002 he opted to devote himself solely to producing personal work and he has had exhibitions of his work throughout the United States. In addition to writing articles for magazines and newspapers, he has also been interviewed or written about in a variety of publications. Kosoff is articulate and analytical regarding his work. He states, “While photography is inherently a two-dimensional medium, incorporating only height and width, I work to include two other dimensions: depth and time.” A critic for the Dallas Morning News similarly noted that his images are “example[s] of two-dimensional work that operate with magic akin to the three-dimensional shimmer of rolling mercury.” Kosoff credits Irving Penn, foremost among other artists, as an inspiration for his work. Says he, “Penn is the photographer who I have the most respect for over all. He was a great still life shooter, as well as great at fashion and portrait. I know of no one who can do all of those things equally as well. And as far as still life goes, he was the best.” Kosoff was fortunate to have had the opportunity to work as an assistant for Penn and other accomplished photographers, including Arnold Newman. The latter is widely known for his environmental portraiture. Early in Kosoff’s career he was also inspired by Duane Michals who gave Kosoff’s work positive reviews and offered advice he never forgot, ”Your best work will always be the work that means the most to you.” Early life. Mr. Kosoff was born in New York City and spent his early years in Brooklyn. At age 15 he was introduced to photography by an uncle who was an avid hobbyist. Kosoff subsequently took classes in high school, honed his craft and discovered that he enjoyed the entire process of making images, from shooting to printing. Kosoff has noted that his “high school had a serious art department… which gave me an opportunity to study sculpture. I made work out of stone with a hammer and a chisel and, to his credit, my teacher insisted on excellent work. My school had one or two National Scholastics gold medal winners every year, which is remarkable for any school.” Ironically, he won one such medal for sculpture — but not for photography. During his senior year of high school, he began an internship that allowed him to assist several Manhattan-based editorial and advertising photographers. During his subsequent studies at the School of Visual Arts, he continued to work as a photographer’s assistant and was encouraged at age 18 to bring his portfolio to a newspaper and a gallery. This resulted in assignments for the Village Voice and the first solo exhibition of his photographic work at Third Eye Gallery. The exhibition warranted acknowledgement on the coveted “short list” in the New York Times for recommended shows. As a result, he opted to leave school and pursue photographic assignments, and while still in his teens his first magazine assignment, for New York Magazine. Kosoff continued to produce editorial images, and even magazine covers before he turned 21, his burgeoning career allowed him to open his own studio on 5th Avenue, in the heart of Manhattan’s photo district. Commercial career. Starting in the late seventies, Kosoff worked for magazines, corporate clients and advertising agencies. He amassed both a cache of high-profile clients as well as nearly three-dozen national awards, including Clio Awards, one of the highest achievements in the industry. After a highly successful 25-year career in commercial work, Kosoff embarked on a very different path that he found far more rewarding. In the late nineties he made a trip to Death Valley and it became a proverbial “game changer.” Kosoff, enamored by the sand dunes and mountains of California, was equally intrigued by the peace and serenity they conveyed. He began attempting to capture both the landscapes he saw and the mood they invoked in images — and that emerged as his primary life’s work. In 2001 his wife urged him to join a co-op gallery in Piermont, New York and after a 24-year absence, he again began to show his personal work. The reaction and sales were encouraging and, at that point, Kosoff sought gallery representation in New York City. Before his Piermont exhibition ended, he signed with the Edward Carter Gallery in NY. In short order, other galleries followed. In 2002, at age 44, Kosoff closed his NYC studio to solely pursue personal work. It’s a move he has never regretted. Fine art photography. Kosoff learned valuable skills while producing projects for Fortune 500 companies that carried over into his work photographing landscapes. Advertising and corporate have no tolerance for inefficiency or error. Thus, he began applying methodical precision to work he found profoundly moving on an emotional level. His fondness for early-morning light and a “less-is-more” minimalism have been brought to bear upon landscapes that document his lengthy travels, most often in North America and Europe. One writer, Joe Farace, spoke eloquently about Kosoff’s work in a 2012 edition of Shutterbug Magazine. He said the following: “With his pristine compositions Kosoff has created an idealized world that sometimes strays into the allegorical, as in his image of three telephone poles titled ‘Three Crosses’ that may generate internal debate within the viewer. And then it hit me: Kosoff is a poet with a camera, rendering stanzas in grayscale using the rhythm of minimalistic images of pier pilings (‘Pier Pilings with Bird’) where you have to work to see the bird. It’s as if Kosoff wants to make his work accessible while at the same time not too accessible, holding back part of an image’s mystery for discovery and interpretation by the viewer.” In a review in the Dallas Morning News, Patricia Mora stated, “Brian Kosoff’s images in his show at AfterImage Gallery crackle with the voluptuousness of jewelry. He gives us vision after vision of night skies and planetary rotations coupled with sailing vessels, churches, highways and Southwestern landscapes. Because he photographs at night, he calculates directions, angles, exposure times and weather with the precision of a sailor navigating with an astrolabe.” The latter review refers to Kosoff’s most recent work, landscape photography depicting night skies and images that include star trails and the stark contours of mountains, roads, telephone wire and train tracks. Kosoff on his current work. “What I’m currently working on is a series of landscapes at night. I started doing this after passing a cemetery in New Mexico that was at the base of a butte. Atop the butte were two crudely made crosses. The conditions at the time I encountered this scene were not of much interest so I took a compass reading to get a sense of the light and when it might be best to return to this location. I realized that this scene would be best captured from the South and facing North, so that the stars behind the crosses would appear to rotate directly behind the crosses. I liked this visual and the symbolism of the universe seeming to rotate around religion. I have a fascination with crosses, as they hold many different and powerful meanings. Their symbolism is immense. But that was only the beginning of what I found to be a greater observation about scenes at night. I returned a few nights later when the conditions seemed ideal. I had to set up my view camera while the sun was still up so that I could frame and focus properly. I then had to wait many hours until the conditions were right. As I waited, and the stars appeared, clearer than I have ever seen them thanks to the high altitude and rural setting, I came to realize that during the day we live in a kind of bubble. Our perception is that we have a ‘roof’ over our heads. During the day, when we look up and assume that we are seeing infinitely, we are not. Our own atmosphere, a bubble of gases and particles illuminated by the sun, blocks our view and, because of that our perception of the universe and our place in it is limited, we see no further than this ‘ceiling’ over our heads. During the day, it’s easy to feel that our significance is great because our reach and scope seems so much more local, our impact so much more powerful. However, when one is out in the middle of nowhere, far away from cities and all one has for company is the howling of the coyotes and countless stars, the perception of our place in the universe becomes less significant. During the day, we are indoors, safe and sheltered, in control of our immediate environment. But at night, with the skies becoming transparent, we are truly outside and we realize that we’re at the whims of nature. The apparent spin of the stars, of course, is interesting. We are actually the ones who are spinning and I feel this realization gives the stars a greater sense of life because they have movement. They are not just ‘dots in the sky’ but something with motion and, therefore, animation. Further, this provides a sense of time and the lack of permanence associated with that. It has become so very clear to me that for all the assumptions about our significance, that our world is smaller than a grain of sand on the beach.” Technical information and techniques. Kosoff shoots 120 B/W film, usually 6 x 12 cm, with either a Linhof Technika MT3000 and a Sinar zoom back or a Fotoman 612. He carries a Mamiya 7II as a back-up camera for grab shots. He prints on Ilford Multigrade. He states that he “doesn’t believe in forcing a print, in continuously working on an image that’s just not heading in the right direction. I think that one’s emotional state is critical to the nature of one’s work; if a session is taking too long or becoming far too laborious, I go back to it another day.” Sometimes it takes years for Kosoff to “figure out” an image. He sees them differently after the passage of time and, in fact, sometimes “new images” were actually shot five years before they are shown. He continues to refine his processing and field methods, a process that continues to be ongoing. Kosoff indicates that working as a commercial photographer has served him well. He states, “In that situation, failure is not an option. It requires doing one’s homework, being able to recognize problems before they occur and being able to handle anything that the project or situation throws at you.” He brings the same careful preparation to his landscape photography. Kosoff notes, “I often come across a scene with all the right compositional elements but not the right light or atmosphere. In that case, I take compass readings to determine ideally where I want the sun to be — then, using astronomical software, I determine what date and time when the sun will be in an optimum position and I return to the location then. I also take into consideration tides, moon position, foliage, weather, atmosphere, geography, agricultural cycles, etcetera.” Quotes. “I’ve often been asked, 'Why shoot landscape in black-and-white instead of color?' For me the answer is simple: black-and-white is photography stripped down to its basic elements — light, tone, and composition. Color can be overpowering — especially since the introduction of super-saturated color films and the over-use of editing tools to crank the color saturation up to unnatural, even vulgar, levels. Color can be a distraction in an image, one that overwhelms subtlety. I prefer a bit more of a slow exploration of an image rather then the slap-in-the-face that color can deliver. It’s more challenging to use black-and-white than color, and that you really need to have content and interest in the image that operates independently of color.” "As B&W is already an interpretation of a scene, it is more prone to individual adjustment and manipulation of tones and contrast. In B&W there really isn't an‘accurate’ or ‘truthful’ rendering of the scene. So it lends itself to more personal and artistic interpretation. With color to a large extent you are locked into having some degree of fidelity to the original scene. You will not often find portraits where skin tones are intentionally purple, green leaves are red and skies are green. Color locks you in closer to reality and in that sense removes a large degree of manipulation and interpretation. And to me the art of photography comes not from merely capturing a scene, it's what you do with it. And B&W gives you more creative freedom." “What most people don’t seem to get is that beauty can be a powerful tool, it’s a way for an artist to get others to appreciate what they appreciate, to seduce them into valuing what they value. If I take a picture of a common scene or object and make it beautiful, I have just transcended the perception that most people have of that scene or object. I’ve made them look at something in a different way and that means that I’ve changed their thinking. That’s no small thing.” “And so goes Polaroid. Appreciated now that it's gone. Replaced by countless images that in the past would not have been worth the expense of a frame of film or a Polaroid print. Photography was once known for recording valued moments or expressing one's carefully considered vision. Now that has been replaced by a vast, even celebrated, documentation of the mundane.“ “ By nature, I’m a minimalist. I tend to like very bleak landscapes because they are composed of very simple shapes. The effect of light becomes obvious in that environment, because everything is boiled down to the most basic elements. Lighting became such a preoccupation during my career as a still life photographer these past 20 odd years, that it is hard to avoid seeking this quality of light in my landscape work as well.” Work authored by Brian Kosoff “Transitioning from Advertising to Fine Arts” A three part series http://blog.livebooks.com/2009/02/from-advertising-to-fine-art-1/ http://blog.livebooks.com/2009/02/from-advertising-to-fine-art-3/ http://blog.livebooks.com/2009/03/from-advertising-to-fine-art-4/ “Getting Gallery Representation, My Experience” http://blog.livebooks.com/2009/04/getting-gallery-representation-you-can-do-it/ “Modern Pictorialism, Printing Techniques for Smooth Tonality” http://www.shutterbug.com/content/personal-project-modern-pictorialism-printing-techniques-smooth-tonality

“Bones, the Unity of Form and Function” Macmillan Publishing, 1994, all original photography by Brian Kosoff — Preceding unsigned comment added by PatriciaAnnMora (talk • contribs) 01:39, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey there! I collapsed the content, but it's still there! I think you may have been looking to put this in the WP:Article wizard, to create a new article draft. If so, feel free to follow the prompts there and create it, if not, please tell me how else we can help! Charmlet (talk) 02:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

South African History

Dear Sirs

I notice this page is not enabled for comments..? Is this not jeopardising the Integrity of Wiki ? So many facts are wrongly presented with obvious subjective motives. Even the current news and publications proofs this page so wrong and poorly presented. Who would be behind this .. Yet another Money force ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.251.210.127 (talk) 02:26, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

It actually is "enabled for comments". See the talkpage here - Talk:History of South Africa to make comments. Always keep in mind, for everything on Wikipedia, that you must cite everything to reliable sources and make neutral suggestions to have them considered. Charmlet (talk) 02:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Rugrats in Paris: The Movie - Copyvio?

Heya, I just did some chopping to Rugrats in Paris: The Movie, but the article on the whole doesn't sit well with me because it seems that a play-by-play of a movie's storyline would be SOME kind of copyvio per the writeup at WP:PLOTONLY. Am I nuts, or is this article overly-detailed. (Note: this might also be a false-dilemma, as I might be nuts AND the article is overly-detailed.) Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:35, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

"Database Error" on new user ID creation

Hello, I have information to correct "dead links" in Wikipedia articles, but when attempting to generate a new user ID, I receive a "Database Error". When attempting to log in I receive a "user ID in use"/"Invalid password or user ID" error. I does not seem to matter how I modify a "new user ID" to meet the "DB" requirements. Does Wikipedia just want to live with "dead links" or "publically visible IP addresses"? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.111.54.159 (talk) 05:08, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry you are having difficulty creating an account. Wikipedia has so many registered users that it is possible that the usernames you have tried have all already been taken. If your problems persist, someone at Wikipedia:Request an account ma be able to create one for you. - Karenjc 06:53, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

A tiny mistake

On this page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestat , the person given as founder, Antoine Dufour is not the same Antoine Dufour the the link directs you to (a musician). This chocolate store in London was founded in 1902 by Antoine Dufour and this person cannot be the same as the guitarist born in 1979. I suggest you remove the link to the name 'Antoine Dufour' on the Prestat page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.207.76.101 (talk) 06:29, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Someone has now fixed the error. Thank you for pointing it out. Please feel free to fix any similar errors if you see them, with an appropriate edit summary. - Karenjc 06:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Error message

I deleted a sentence with incorrect information. A footnote accompanied it, which I also deleted. But the source remained in the reference list, and now there is an error message there. Apparently you can't edit the reference list directly, so I don't know how to fix this problem. The article is "Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines". Treplag (talk) 06:54, 11 June 2013 (UTC)Treplag

I'm looking into it... Dismas|^(talk) 07:39, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Got it. The same reference can be used more than once in an article. To keep from having to type the same reference over and over again, just a name can be used. In this edit you removed the "Munn" reference. That reference is also called in another place in the article using just the name of the reference. With no original reference to refer back to for the content, all the article had was the name for the ref. You might want to read over Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners if you're unfamiliar with how to use references here. Dismas|^(talk) 07:46, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Before I go ahead and add it to User:Launchballer/Elephant (Tame Impala song),

is http://www.musicvf.com/song.php?id=141092 a reliable source? I'm using a school computer and they've blocked it. (I'm using it to source its UK chart position of #131.)--Launchballer 09:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Mdann52 (talk) 10:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Ben Hunt-Davis

Hi I want to edit this page to show Ben's work as an author - - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Hunt-Davis

I also want to add his most recent website http://www.willitmaketheboatgofaster.com/

Could you tell me if that's okay to add these and where they should be added?

Thanks Will it make the boat go faster (talk) 11:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Help

I added references to this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farid_%27Bronze_Medalist%27_Khan It says there is an error "Cite error" How to correct it?