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Criteria for inclusion

If you wish to add an entry to the list on this article please make sure they meet the following criteria which have been agreed by editors:

  • The names listed must be honorific and not just nicknames (e.g. "Queen of Soul" and not just "Pistol Pete") and must be a common alias of the artist (being widely regarded as the Father of a sub-genre is not the same as routinely being called, the Father of...)
  • Only examples should be used where the title is used in the lede of the artist article.
  • A clear, reliable and verifiable source must be provided that indicates widespread usage (e.g. "Elvis Presley, widely known as the King of Rock and Roll...". This means that it must be an actual title and cannot be a general reference or figure of speech. Appropriate sources include major authorities on popular music (including All music, Rolling Stone and NME, refereed books and journals, reputable national newspapers and appropriate specialist music publications. Self-published sources and the products of record companies are not considered reliable.

If you wish to discuss these criteria, please do so at the foot of this page.--Sabrebd (talk) 00:32, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article conventions

Because the presence of some individuals or groups has been disputed in the past, the convention in this article is that, rather than just a citation, a quotation should be given in the footnote, or a direct link to a webpage, so that entries can be seen to be valid by other editors. Because this is English Wikipedia sources need to be in English, or a translation provided in the citations. Please note that where web page links are given and they go dead, it is likely the entry will eventually be deleted.--SabreBD (talk) 13:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus on pictured artists

There was a discussion on this a while back but I think it needs revisiting. There was consensus that there needs to be a worldview, meaning using popular artists from around the world and not disproportionately representing the US or the UK. Additionally, all genres should be given equal weight. So I was thinking of a list of making a list of criteria that everyone else can comment on.

Genre

A list of essential genres to represent

There is also a concern for article structure. Before we listed the nicknames by gender and group. As of now its listed by surname and group. We could also consider remaking the article divided by genre instead.

Historical acts

Historical acts should be featured over recent acts. The article introduction cover the long history of assigning honorifics to artists, so the earliest known nicknames should be addressed and emphasized over the numerous modern artist that have adopted the trend.

Number of artists

I thought at first that only one artist from each genre would be sufficient, but 2 could also be reasonable. A second thought is that if anyone would be willing to make a composite picture with multiple artists, it could show how one nickname can be assigned to a multitude of artists (ex: King of Rock and Roll, Queen of Pop). A composite picture could also resolve any arguments of "fairness" where nicknames with a long history of multiple recipients are called into question. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just to endorse pretty much all the above, and especially running over a few of these issues. I think for now one per genre is good enough and think that historic acts are to be preferred. There are probably irresolvable issues about more recent acts, like the fact that if any female has two consecutive singles they will be called the "new queen of pop", but it doesn't make them a Madonna or Janet J. and we would be right to favour long established acts. I should also point out that the pictures display differently on different displays and on narrow one the current list does fill the page, so there may be little opportunity for more additions.--SabreBD (talk) 23:43, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What do you think of the composite photo idea? An example like this is what I was driving at. For instance one picture caption could read The nickname "King of Rock and Roll" as been associated with Chuck Berry, Fat Domino, Alan Freed, Bill Haley, Little Richard, and most prominently, Elvis Presley. Each has an exceptional source and the intro does a good job of indication why multiple acts are associated with one nickname. Similarly, we could do a composite with Madonna, Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion and Mariah Carey who are long term established acts with exceptional sources who have been called the Queen of Pop. I'm bad at photo editing so we'd still have to find someone to do it. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 01:11, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think the composite pictures are a very good idea. I am a bit busy for the next few days, but if no one else volunteers I will give it a go, perhaps at the weekend.--SabreBD (talk) 06:40, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Two other considerations based on sources would be "King of Country" and "Queen of Country". The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:41, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move to list

Someone brought this up ages ago and I just now dawned on me again. This is more accurately a list article correct? Meaning it should be moved back to List of honorific nicknames in popular music? The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 21:05, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It probably is a good idea. What do we do with the introduction? Its probably a bit long for a list article. We could keep it here as an article and move the list to List of Honorific nicknames in popular music.--SabreBD (talk) 21:32, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think its long at all. I checked Wikipedia:Featured lists and a few like List of castles in Greater Manchester and List of National Treasures of Japan (archaeological materials) have very detialed introductions. I'm going to go forward with the move. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 01:50, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
...Or I would, I think this page has a protection level that won't allow me to do so. But there is not reason this article does't qualify as a list. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 01:53, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New entry for page

Dong Bang Shin Ki: Kings of Kpop

Babyshinki (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

TVXQ ? Why not. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:13, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

TVXQ is the true Kings of Korean Pop & Hallyu Wave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanboy005 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

TVXQ : Rising Gods of the East , labelled as Kings of KPOP due to their immense success in Asia & outside. More popular as Gods of KPOP with Fans. [1] [2]

Yuriaoi (talk) 15:54, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Katy Perry - a.k.a. Queen of Pop, Teenage Dream, Darling of Pop — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.200.146.239 (talk) 09:22, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rihanna

Rihanna has been referred to as the Queen of Pop & the New Queen of Pop.

Rihanna has been referred to as the Barbadian Pop Queen.

Rihanna has been referred to as the R&B Queen, Queen of R&B, the New Queen of R&B & the R&B princess.

Rihanna has been referred to as the Queen of Reinvention.

Update

Adele has been referred to as the Queen of Soul

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/the-queen-of-soul/

http://nerissairving.com/news/entertainment/adele-the-soul-queen/

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/entertainment/view/1182139/1/.html

Amy Winehouse has also been referred to as the Queen of Soul

http://www.spin.com/articles/amy-winehouse-dangerous-new-queen-soul

http://my.opera.com/Afro%20Mum/blog/2011/07/24/amy-winehouse-queen-of-soul-dies-at-27

Usher has been referred to as the King of Pop

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/69768055.html

http://www.chron.com/entertainment/music/article/Usher-ready-to-be-crowned-new-King-of-Pop-1639642.php (98.181.62.167 (talk) 20:41, 19 June 2012 (UTC))[reply]

It seems that all kinds of popular music artists are given honorific names, by single journalists, in single articles, in both the entertainment and general media, on an almost daily basis. Is there any way of filtering or ranking these accolades? Are any publications more reliable, or simply carry more weight, than others? My local free newspaper might call a local pub singer Dez Prezley "King of Pub Rock" - but does that make it generally accepted? Should we use any one honorific name only once, on the basis of length of tenure, or on breadth of coverage, or on what? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
See criteria for inclusion section above. The nickname must be in regular use (meaning we can verify from multiple sources not just one) by exceptional sources such as qualified music critics or high profile journalists in music magazines, jounrnals, encyclopedias or major news organizations. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 21:47, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like we're finally having that discussion invited in September 2009. I think the existing list might need trimming! What is your view, for example, on Andre (band)? And can titles be shared by any number of artists? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We do not apply the criteria at the top of this page as strictly as we could and perhaps should, not least because it is such hard work. We do have periodic purges of the weaker claims. There is a problem with nicknames like "princess of pop" which lazy journalists wheel out to describe any female artists who gets a hit record. That doesn't mean that the title is notable, or likely to last. Probably time for another cull.--SabreBD (talk) 22:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am still a little perplexed about the relative notability of non-English speaking artists, in non-English speaking countries, in en-wiki. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In order to keep a world view, the same criteria applies to non-english speaking countries/artists. Notability does not require the be household names in the US, so long as the artist passes the general notability guidelines for wikipedia. There are several Asian artists people in the US/UK have no clue about but are still international phenoms. As long as it fits the criteria, they have equal weight here. And to answer you other question, artists can share nicknames. Our goal is not to qualify the "most deserving" but relay what nicknames are attributed to who by reliable sources. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 22:34, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just to endorse that. We have to rely on the sources and apply the same criteria, whether we agree with the entries cannot be a consideration.--SabreBD (talk) 22:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have no issue with that, in principle. I'm just at a loss to know whether the publication used as the source to support the inclusion of Andre (band), for example, can be considered adequate. I've never been to Romania. I can't speak Romanian. It's used in the article for the band, so does that make it good enough? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:29, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This is a translation of the site. Even with the translation I'm not sure what the quality of the source is. It's design makes it look like Allmusic but at the same time it also looks like tv.com which we wouldn't consider reliable since users can change information as easily as they could on wikipedia. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 10:24, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I used that to try and get a better English translation of the title. I tend to agree with you. Maybe we should consider those proposed at the start of this tread - Adele, Amy and Usher. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
None of the links above meet the criteria. None are from hihgly notable news sources (a few are blogs) and the only specialized music orgaization is Spin, but the article doesn't mention "Queen of Soul" in the text, only the title. For consideration the body of an article must actually use the nickname in prose to give the reader the context behind its usage. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 17:15, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Johnson

I think that Jack Johnson should have "The Genius" I've seen him called this many times. --Bassieboy666 (talk) 15:34, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reliable source for that description? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:43, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lil B

Should Lil' B not be added with the honorific nickname "Based God"?

References: npr.org "Lil B, a.k.a. The Based God"

see box in top right of artist page: Lil B, "The Based God"

Thanks for your considerations.

"Country"?

Hong Kong a "Country"? Hahaha.

Refs revision

I have found a moment and revised all the references for artists listed "from A to V". I have put proper templates where a source is in dispute or missing. Hornik (talk) 05:33, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am very grateful not to have to do this. I also note you have tagged the unreliable cases - which is even better work.--SabreBD (talk) 10:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, have tried to do my best to review the refs until "V"; I got to go now. Lots of thankless job here, so hope it will be clear what I meant to stress by those templates. If no-one finishes the rest refs, I will catch a moment to get it done possibly tomorrow. Hornik (talk) 15:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately adding all those templates means that the references no longer show.--SabreBD (talk) 16:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I tried removing the flag templates to see it that would allow the notes to display, but it didn't work. I have only one suggestion: that we delete all the dubious references and the entries that depend on them. Does anyone else have an alternative idea?--SabreBD (talk) 09:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering why all ref-links got disappeared while reviewing them. I wasn't aware such situation arises when adding a large(r) number of templates. I'd probably suggest to replace them with ref-label notes to keep also ref-links displayed along. So let's say, instead [citation needed] to use [A], for [unreliable source?] to put [B], etc. Either way, the list must be supervised and some artists, respectively their "titles", removed as their fans include whatever they find (ir)relevant themselves. I didn't want to make the final decision(s) as for this, so I've just decided to check ref-links, using google translator tool when necessary. I also checked "About (company)" section(s) on particular websites if those looked questionably at the first sight, to verify their own end-source(s). In some cases, like Japanese webpages, most of them looked like shopping website(s) actually (as their equivalent to amazon/ebay, etc.), so we never know for sure where a cited information comes from, unless a native speaker shares a clear insight. I should be able to finish reviewing the rest links by tomorrow to get at least this part done. If anything of use springs my mind by then, I will leave a comment. Hornik (talk) 10:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
FYI: [citation needed] and [need quotation to verify] means the same; in other words a source was checked, information found/verified but the(ir) ref-link(s) miss the citation/quotation.
UPDATE: To minimize a number of originally used templates, respectively to make all ref-links visible as previously discussed, I have replaced the additional templates that were placed in column 'SOURCE' (next 'COUNTRY') with red colored-letter(s). Section entitled 'ANNOTATIONS' includes specific explanatory notes for each red letter/used template. Hope that makes it easier now. FYI: One artist (Siti Nurhaliza) was removed from the original list as she only missed any ref-link, actually. At the moment, I only need to finish revising the rest artists, i.e. those listed within section Group titles. Hornik (talk) 21:11, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Its unorthodox, but a workable solution. I will try to find time an enthusiasm to work through the list in the future.--SabreBD (talk) 21:41, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Group titles revised. Good luck with the rest then. Hornik (talk) 03:55, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Marilyn Manson issue

Marilyn Manson is widely referred to as Please help me find some suitable references so this can be added. 205.156.136.229 (talk) 20:35, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd recommend you first of all to find one, and attach it along with a proper referrence here to see how the other media has handled your concerns, claimed as "widely referred". The problem solved, guess. Good luck ,-) Hornik (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps even more widely referred to as "The God of F..k-all"? 109.153.196.85 (talk) 07:15, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You better bring some relevant to the table, instead empty chatting. Hornik (talk) 14:23, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Madonna

I think as madonna is the biggest selling female artist 300 million albums, has the highest grossing tours of all time, most number 1 albums, highest paid female artist, most number ones at one time, the artist with the most world records, The World's Most Successful Female Musician. For these resons Madonna should be the only queen of pop just like michael jackson is the only king of pop.

Mariah?

Supreme Songbird? She was named that by the Guiness World Record. Why isn't that added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penpaperpencil (talk • contribs) 15:35, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Also Taylor Swift has been deemed the "Princess of Country" numerous times. Shouldn't it be added? Penpaperpencil (Talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:42, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lady Gaga

I think you should add her nickname of "Mother Monster", since most artists have an affectionate nickname of their own added to their category, like Madonna with "Material Girl"

--CortexiphanJedi (talk) 23:36, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing this out; I've removed the improper Material Girl entry. Floatjon (talk) 09:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

John Entwisle?

What about him one of his 3 titles must get him in here! The Ox, Thunderfinger, bassist of the millenium, source: http://thewho.com/history/john-entwistle/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maplerocker (talk • contribs) 19:21, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey come on can we please get Mr. Entwistle on the the list? I mean seriously there are Teen Queens and the Queen of Christian Pop but not the bassist of the millenium? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maplerocker (talk • contribs) 12:07, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Have started with "Bassist of the Millenium", although a better source might be used, or even the original primary source = Guitar Magazine? Not sure if "Ox" is actually an honorific title or just a nickname? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Finally thanks! ^^ well here's a pic of the magazine page http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/mcr4444/bass2kp1.jpg that's the best source I could find right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.190.241.119 (talk) 15:00, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can't be used as a source, I'm sorry, as no WP:RS publisher attribution is possible. In fact, someone (more clever than I) might even have constructed that whole image from scratch! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:52, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ok, it was just a suggestion--Maplerocker (talk) 22:45, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Do you have any details of that Guitar Magazine edition? That would be the best source, I think. Martinevans123 (talk)

Frankie Knuckles

I was surprised to see that Frankie Knuckles wasn't included, given so many references to him as The Godfather Of House. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/clubz/4644416/Godfather-Of-House.html http://www.mytravelguide.com/attractions/profile-101676394-United_States_Illinois_Chicago_Godfather_of_House_Music_Frankie_Knuckles_Way_Street_Sign.html etc)

 Already done Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:42, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

QUEEN KATY PERRY

She should be called Princess of Pop [1] Gbegg (talk) 09:49, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure. The headline in that claims she is "a pop princess", not that she is "" (..also beware, that link has quite a nasty pop-up!) Martinevans123 (talk) 12:27, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I hope it does. There's an article from the [[]]: " 'Wide Awake' Video: Pop Princess Punches Prince Charming". Another is ryanseacrest.com, who referred her as the "reigning pop princess". GirlsAlouud (talk · contribs} 03:04, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Katy Perry should obviously be on the list - it's shocking how she isn't yet, as we always hear of all the records she's broken and the fact that she is compared to and , who are in fact 'Pop Princesses' in their own right. She is often seen by the public as the female , having tied him with the most number-one singles from one album (5), along with her reigning status in the charts, surpassing , and even the Beatles. She is a cultural icon, a sex icon (her article even said it once) and her music is a good representation of what you would expect from the modern generation of musicians. Here are some sources that prove this: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]

In people's opinions, she may never be as 'good' or 'talented' as as majority would argue, but numbers don't lie, and she technically achieved what many would see as one only a music legend would be able to handle. Go Katy :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.200.146.239 (talk) 08:46, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah and if she's not 'good' enough for Queen of Pop, she is also called the 'Teenage Dream' and 'KatyCat'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.200.146.239 (talk) 09:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kelly.C

Kelly Clarkson: Miss Independent — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.96.54.199 (talk) 04:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, she certainly plays the title role in her song video Miss Independent. But is that enough evidence that she is commonly (or ever) referred to by this name? Do you have any direct source? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Carter

Honorific in tween magazines through late 1990s and early 2000s (Popstar!, M-Magazine, Tiger Beat, etc.) and title of official biography, "Little Prince of Pop." [3]

This page is cluttered

There are multiple artists listed under each honorific title which I think is ridiculous just becasue an artist had been called something once or twice doesn't make them "king of Pop" or "Queen of Pop" we need to scale this down to whoever is more deserving of the title based on accomplishments, number of times being called this title and their contributions to music etc, there's just too much going on here. Anyone can be given a title at any given time but did the title stick for most of the people on this list? the answer is NO, we shouldn't be grouping people together who are not in the same category as far as accomplishments, sales, influence etc.--Colette89 (talk) 16:41, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. Your idea break all three main Wikipedia rules: Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. If there are reliable sources, the text may be in Wikipedia and also not the editors of Wikipedia should decide who more deserving to be called a (eg) pop king and also Wikipedia is not the place for scale, analysis of accomplishments etc. Subtropical-man (talk) 18:33, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please note the criteria for inclusion at the top of this page. It is perfectly valid to have criteria that limit inclusion.--SabreBD (talk) 18:39, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Paulina Rubio

Paulina Rubio is nearly constantly known in Latin American and Spanish speaking countries as La Chica Dorada (The Golden Girl). Please add - can be verified anywhere on line.

Why not provide a source - from anywhere reliable on line? Although not sure how far we are limited to English honorific names, as opposed to English translations of other language honorific names. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rosa López

Rosa López, from Spain, should be included due to her honorific title "La rosa de España" (Spain's Rose). Can be verified anywhere on line. Thanks

Why not provide a source - from anywhere reliable on line? Although not sure how far we are limited to English honorific names as opposed to English translations of other language honorific names. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Random Country Legendary Popstar" or "Some Foreign Country Superstar" as honorifics?

I noticed recently that there is a horde of entries of popstars dubbed the Madonna of Some Foreign Country or Random Country Madonna and weeks later nothing is done with them, in contrast to my edits that got removed years ago because they are not considered honorifics, which my opinion was "fair enough". The reason I say against those entries is that there are plenty of young singers who gets hyped up with these so-called honorifics earlier in their career (like Cliff Richard as the "British Elvis" in his early career[7]) only for it to fade away when most of them fail to achieve that status of their peer.

If we were to include those, I may as well say reinstate my edit that was removed years ago, including Sandra, who is known as the "German Madonna"[8] in her home country.

So the question is shall we accept these entries. Donnie Park (talk) 23:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No. They do not meet the criteria at the top of the talkpage.--SabreBD (talk) 23:08, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Trouble is there is plenty of it and nobody is doing anything about it, ie Rihanna, the Black Madonna. Donnie Park (talk) 23:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
They are clearly "alias" [Madonna's] used in various parts of the world (with reliable sources and varios languages). What is the misunderstanding of this? We are depriving readers to learn something that has reliable references that meets various political as verifiability. And more; One has to analyze each case separately. Regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 02:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's a pretty clear distinction in meaning between calling someone the Queen or Princess of something vs. comparing her to an established pop star. Having preeminence in a genre of music is clearly not the same as "the X version of Madonna" which sounds like a knock-off version. This article isn't about promoting musicians or indiscriminately aggregating info that doesn't fit in the established parameters. Tehw1k1 (talk) 12:17, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

T.I.

T.I. should be added, he's often considered the King of the South. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.127.242 (talk) 21:49, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

His article suggests it's a self-designation - and the cover story from The Vibe in 2004, used as a ref there, no longer seems to work. But Pharrell Williams of The Neptunes did call him "the Jay-Z of the South", apparently. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:43, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson should be called King of music videos. source:http://corp.visiblemeasures.com/news-and-events/blog/bid/88819/Michael-Jackson-s-Top-10-Most-Watched-Music-Videos-Ever It's even mentioned in the michael jackson page on wiki. And it would be nice if he's given few more titles like king of dance,entertainment etc. b'coz he's with 1 title whereas likes of madonna are with more than 1 title.and now he's got to share the king of pop title with elton john and elvis presely.Moreover, Michael is recognized as the most successful entertainer of all time by Guinness World Records,so according to me there should be only 1 king of pop i.e. mj,as it was there some days ago.Thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifehp9897 (talk • contribs) 07:21, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is not evidence of common use of a title, which is what this article is meant to be about.--SabreBD (talk) 07:42, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

but what about king of music videos? it's even mentioned in the mj page in wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifehp9897 (talk • contribs) 07:52, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia articles can't be used as a source for anything as they are not considered to be WP:RS. The single source you have provided here looks a bit borderline. But I'd be surprised if you could not find a better one. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:58, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Add Selena Gomez as "The New J-Lo"

Add Selena Gomez as "The New J-LO 204.116.145.130 (talk) 00:18, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Double not done The primary source is her producer Jason Evigan, and some media mention this, yes, but as a way in question, and that is inconsistent. Do not confuse one thing with another. It is not the same with the "Madonnas" for example, that is clearly alias worlwide:

Yuri is a Mexican singer, but the English, Portuguese or French press have referred to as the "Mexican Madonna". In fact, Allmusic is a source specialized in popular culture and is a music guide service, and mention this datum. Gloria Trevi is other example, she is have referred by international media as BBC News and several others as "Mexican Madonna" and is "Some Foreign Country Superstar" but no is "Some Foreign Country Superstar" ;).... It is widely demonstrable that the "Madonnas" are not terms peacock, in fact, some have revealed wanting to be like Madonna, as in the case of Rihanna who said his goal is to be the "black Madonna" and has been treated well by the press in English, Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, German, etc. Additionally, worth noting that "Madonnas" are widely used in popular culture, many of these artists are known as the "successor", "heirs" or "musical daughters" of Madonna and this is exactly contrary with artists like Michael Jackson (by not mentioned to J-LO) for example. Regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 02:17, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Timberlake, Usher, Robbie Willams, Elton John, Elvis Presley can not be called as King Of Pop

Justin Timberlake, Usher, Robbie Willams, Elton John, Elvis Presley can not be called as King Of Pop The only person who is named in this way globally is Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson also is recognized as King Of Music Videos or Kink Of Short-Films and would have to be mentioned as the King Of Reinvention — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.53.23.179 (talk) 18:15, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done What is the problem? are reliable sources. It is almost certain that MJ is more widely recognized that so the other artists (maybe, because Elton John have references in Spanish or English...), but we must not delete the rest. That would be totally inappropriate. Chrishonduras (talk) 02:17, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Damn it, this list is so stupid - Elvis Presley is the only King of Rock and Roll, Michael Jackson is the only King of Pop and Madonna is the Queen of Pop. What's your problem with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.18.254.11 (talk) 14:37, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Where are your sources with the word "only"? They might be partly contradictory, of course but, if reliable, they could still be used, just like any other. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:44, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have to say, I agree with the OP. Michael Jackson is the "King of Pop", Madonna is the "Queen of Pop" and Elvis is the "King of Rock." It's been that way for the past 20 years, and no random Billboard articles are gonna change that. When it comes to the likes of Justin Timberlake and Usher... "Kings of Pop?" Billboard calling those guys "King of Pop"... that's just a case of some idiot journalist bragging their way to a Billboard account, and poor copy-editing on behalf of editors. People need to stop talking about Billboard like they're the Holy Grail. Their editorial people are just a bunch of people... like everyone else. Homeostasis07 (talk) 00:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 24 April 2013

Hi! I really think you should add Cheb Mami to the list, as "The prince of Raï" - check his page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheb_Mami under "international recognition", and you can see, that it is in fact his nickname. 62.107.110.236 (talk) 22:15, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, the source given at that article [9] does not seem to support that claim. Do you have a better source? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alanis Morissette "Queen of Alt-rock"

"Alanis Morissette pulled off one of the most successful second acts in rock history in the summer of 1995, when the former teen dance-pop star reinvented herself as the undisputed queen of alt-rock angst with Jagged Little Pill "

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/alanis-morissette/biography

"Alanis Morissette was a former teen pop star, dismissed by some as a footnote in Canadian pop history. Then her album Jagged Little Pill sold over 13 million copies worldwide, and a new queen of alternative rock was crowned."

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/381584.Alanis_Morissette

Can some of you add Alanis morissette as "queen of alt-rock"?

--200.8.77.82 (talk) 05:22, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 6 June 2013

The Taiwanese singer Teresa Teng should be added to the list of honorific nicknames. Ms. Teng was known in Japan as the "Diva of Asia" (Ajia no utahime). The recording from a Japanese TV program at the beginning of the following YouTube video uses the term: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vKDscF3x2E. 216.145.193.35 (talk) 16:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.
According to the criteria at the top of this page,
A clear, reliable and verifiable source must be provided that indicates widespread usage (e.g. "Elvis Presley, widely known as the King of Rock and Roll...". This means that it must be an actual title and cannot be a general reference or figure of speech. Appropriate sources include major authorities on popular music (including All music, Rolling Stone and NME, refereed books and journals, reputable national newspapers and appropriate specialist music publications.
I don't think one mention on a youtube video of a TV show is enough to support this at this point, but if you can provide suitable source(s), please feel free to reactivate this request, with the details. Thanks. Begoon talk 06:41, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 11 June 2013

Please move "Girls' Generation" to the "groups" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.36.245.50 (talk • contribs)

 Done - Thank you. Begoon talk 06:41, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 23 June 2013

There are certainly errors in this page that I would like to fix

88.203.121.232 (talk) 11:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are several ways to do that:
  • If you create an account, usually after 10 edits and 4 days, you will become WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, and can edit the page yourself.
  • To use the {{edit semi-protected}} tag, as you have done here, you need to provide the exact details of the proposed edit, and supply reliable sources to support the change(s). Another editor can then make the changes for you, if the details are ok.
  • Alternatively, you could request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection that the page is unprotected for all users. On heavily vandalised pages this request will often not be granted.
Feel free to supply details and source(s) and reactivate this request if you have specific change(s) to propose.
Thanks. Begoon talk 12:11, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 27 June 2013

Just would like to See Freddie Mercury's name on the list He was Known as the Great Pretender, Thank you 98.124.43.35 (talk) 01:11, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.
According to the criteria at the top of this page,
A clear, reliable and verifiable source must be provided that indicates widespread usage (e.g. "Elvis Presley, widely known as the King of Rock and Roll...". This means that it must be an actual title and cannot be a general reference or figure of speech. Appropriate sources include major authorities on popular music (including All music, Rolling Stone and NME, refereed books and journals, reputable national newspapers and appropriate specialist music publications.
I'm a huge fan of Mercury, too, and it does sound like this might be a valid addition, if supported, but we really do need the supporting sources in order to add it. Thanks. Begoon talk 02:39, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 4 September 2013

Chuck Berry is considered the father of rock and roll, while Elvis Presley is the king of rock and roll. In the page it stated that both were the king, which is very untrue. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/chuck-berry-the-father-of-rock-turns-75-20011206 - An article by rolling stone magazine stating the fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.203.170.125 (talk) 03:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Amália Rodrigues, Belinda, Haifa Wehbe

Amália Rodrigues, Portugal, A Rainha do Fado (The Queen of Fado).

Belinda, Mexico, Princess of Latin Pop.

Haifa Wehbe, Lebanon, Queen of Arabic Pop.

--187.114.76.175 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Cash

What about the "The man in Black", "The king of outlaw country music", "The original Highway Man" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doublejwillis (talk • contribs) 20:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Iommi

Often called "The king of the heavy riff"

http://www.tonyiommifantastic.com/about-tony/quates-citations-iommi-ozzy-osbourne-geezer-butler-slash-hetfield-janick-gers-henry-rollins.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01b67wv


http://www.bravewords.com/news/207042

http://www.nicolefrehsee.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/R1073Blink182.pdf http://rollingstoneindia.com/pop-punk-kings-blink-182-reunited-and-ready-to-party-like-it%E2%80%99s-1999/

I found multiple sources claiming Blink-182 as the Kings of Pop-Punk. it seems fair to add them too, being that they've had such an impact on the genre's mainstream success in the early 2000s and nearly every pop-punk band lists blink as a major influence. --24.189.29.198 (talk) 08:04, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Girls' Generation as The Nation's Girl Group

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls%27_Generation

In South Korea, they are the country's #1 selling girl-group of all time. It seems pretty fair to put them on the list because TVXQ and BoA get to be on there. They have found international success as well. They peaked at #126 on the US Billboard 200, being the first South Korean group to do so. All nine of the members and their sub-unit Girls-Generation - TTS have found great success in many countries around the entire world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.238.202.16 (talk) 04:59, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Elvis is most commonly known as THE KING

Please add to Elvis Presley nicknames " THE KING" He is commonly referred to that in all types of media

Thank you

71.234.118.65 (talk) 01:38, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 3 October 2013

Please add the honorific nickname "President of Pop" to Justin Timberlake's section of the page, based on the name given by Jimmy Fallon at the 2013 MTV Video Music Awards. http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/08/25/justin-timberlake-wins-michael-jackson-video-vanguard-award-performance-video/ Scottnadeau (talk) 18:02, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TVXQ
  2. ^ http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/entertainment/11/21/12/tvxq-kings-k-pop-are-back
  3. ^ Carter, June. Aaron Carter: The Little Prince of Pop.
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