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Melbourne, FL

I put the section back in, mainly because although a bit gaudy it was all true, and all seemed to be valid articles.

Perhaps get rid of the arrows, move to the back?

The Georgia Page

Actually, now that I think about it, I went to the Georgia page and went through the links of the major cities. When I went to each cities page I checked out there metro status and Macon came in third behind Atlanta and Augusta.

Dated cleanup tags

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Catholic Churches

You offered some comments last week about a proposed deletion of Incarnation Catholic Church and School (Glendale, California). You correctly noted that the article was rough, as it had just been started. I have been preparing articles on some of the significant parishes in Los Angeles and wondered if you'd have a few minutes to take a look and make suggestions on format, content, info boxes, etc. One of your notes indicated that the number of members was key data, and I agree, but do you know of any verifiable source to determine membership for Catholic parishes? Examples of the parishes I have so far created articles for are: St. Andrew's Catholic Church, Pasadena, St. Robert Bellarmine Catholic Church, St. Charles Borromeo Church (North Hollywood), and St. Finbar Catholic Church and School (Burbank, California).

Brandywine

Brandywine is a general disambiguation page (which Brandywine Creek and Brandywine River) point to.

I went through all the Brandywine references and updated them to point to the appropriate articles. There were and are many pages referring to either "Brandywine Creek" or "Brandywine River" and not necessarily pointing to the correct one.

"Brandywine River" can refer to: "Brandywine Creek (Christina River)" or "Brandywine Creek (Cuyahoga River)". or the fictional (Hobbit/Rings Trilogy) Middle Earth river.

"Brandywine Creek" refers to at least 25 different ones in the U.S.

(5) Brandywine in British Columbia, (2) Brandywine in Nova Scotia, and more outside of North America ...

Rivers are officially disambiguated by their downstream_parent, for instance Brandywine (Christina River), only when that fails, then a reasonable civil sub-division. See WikiProject Rivers for more details.

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Charles Adams

I am not particularly familiar with Vermont but I try to edit pages with correct links, sources, etc. Adams' page says the town so it has been fixed to that. Any correction to my corrections can be made. Thanks for the thanks!

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Causes of the us housing bubble

Thank you for your recommendation. I will work on it this weekend.

Causes of the us housing bubble

Thank you for your recommendation. I will work on it this weekend. Sguffanti

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(from a newbie who never, ever, signs his posts! And who overwhelmed an article with a gallery of pictures despite having been told by two editors about WP:NOTIMAGE. Ah, well. )

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I actually attend one of the middle schools, so that is why. User:Atum World/Toast

Pavlovsk

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Richard Hatch

Have you seen the page on Richard Hatch, especially the POV section on Tax Evasion written by his lawyers? Very interesting! Richard_Hatch_(Survivor_contestant)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)

ICHTHUS

June 2013

From the Editor

Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month

The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs
The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf

Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

Did you know...

A Handel manuscript

• ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote the initials "S. D. G.", for Soli Deo Gloria, at the beginning and end of all his church compositions to give God credit for the work, and that Handel at times did the same?

Calendar
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Do you think Project Vote Smart, Ballotpedia, Judgepedia and Sunshine Review links should generically be in government articles, or should they be moved to the politics and elections articles and removed? They strike me as being political and electoral oriented topics by nature, but at the same time, they are related to government. Int21h (talk) 20:32, 13 March 2014 (UTC) I should note they are usually leftovers on articles that were combined with politics and articles that needed major politics-removal cleanup. Int21h (talk) 20:36, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

I would vote no, since they are, like the media, just "pressure" organizations and incapable of "governing" per se.

Since they aren't "sister" projects, I would not care to see them sprinkled throughout all government/politics/elections articles.

They seem fairly high up their own scale which is "non-profit", "advocacy", "media" -type organizations designed to pressure government. IMO.

Without "Judicial," Legislature & Executive would be up the creek with no place to turn. Same with eliminating the others. No Elections/no response, no change, etc. But we did without those above organizations for a long time and the government still functioned. Student7 (talk) 21:22, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Again I think we're mostly in agreement. But I think I'm going to move them to the politics articles where I see them in the government articles. I think it is a priori reasonable/arguable that the links might be proper on, at least, the politics articles. I think, at the very least, any editors on those articles should at least see them and have a chance to debate any removal. I understand this might be interpreted as an advocacy on my part, that the links should be in those articles; I do not advocate as such. I do not make any argument that they should be there, and if *anyone should remove them* or revert my edits I would not oppose. But I just don't think they are appropriate on the government articles, and I just don't think, at this point, I myself should decide it for the other articles. Int21h (talk) 22:09, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Mr Student 7

Thank you for you devotion to wiki, we are all much better people with your help. I disagree with your stance. Michael is a notable Alumni. Please stop removing him from the page. It is not vandalism. This is your first warning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.159.6 (talk) 13:23, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Replied on your page. Thanks for discussing this. Student7 (talk) 17:50, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Antalya citation needed tags

Hi. In these edits to the Antalya article you removed a (perfectly valid) {{Refimprove}} and replaced it with more than 50 {{citation needed}} ones. Was there any reason for this? (You might want to check out the "When not to use this template" section of {{citation needed}}) I'm reverting it anyways, just figured I'd give you a heads up. Cheers, Nikthestunned 16:45, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

16 is still too many, especially when the article has a tag stating that there are general referencing problems and all are in one section. I agreed with 3 of the placements so have removed the contentious uncited material. Cheers, Nikthestunned 08:19, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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Bombus affinis

Hi Student 7, I don't feel that the source, Gresser, Joseph (April 2, 2014). "Pests likely to survive bitter winter, unfortunately". The Chronicle (Barton, Vermont). pp. 15A., is a reliable authority on whether Bombus affinis is extinct in Vermont. What source does Mr. Gresser cite? It would be better to use that. This site shows some spot searches for the bee and it does not appear to be in New England. The Chronicle source isn't accessible on line, therefore difficult to check. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 02:03, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

No. But they are "pretty reliable" usually. He got this from some Vermont state scientist who hasn't written a paper or anything. Sorry for them not being online. They are a small paper. The state thinks they are extinct. I can appreciate that we want some better, funded analysis and all that. Could be some while before that happens. As far as Vermont is concerned, they're gone. Student7 (talk) 14:05, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Student 7. I suggest that it's more appropriate to say that none have been detected in New England, since the data that I cite doesn't show any test sites in Vermont. If there's no data, just the opinion of an individual, unsupported by actual science, it's probably inappropriate to report it as "most likely extinct in the state of Vermont." Instead in the Bombus affinis article, one could say, using the citation, that ombus affinis has been found only in Illinois, Iowa, Maryland and Southern Ontario. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 14:56, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Agree.

Maybe the other NE states have more money. Poor Vermont is smaller than many large counties and just doesn't have the money for a WP:RS type study. Your paraphrasing gives us the best of both: doubt that they are a viable species in NE, but lacking scientific proof. Student7 (talk) 20:20, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

United States Border Patrol

Hi there. I noticed your recent edit and I'm hoping we can work together to rewrite it. I honestly can't remember if I wrote the "large force" part, but the intent was to convey the notion that one of the reasons this law enforcement agency has lost more officers in the line of duty than any other in the United States, is because it's also the second largest in the United States. As well, the officers often patrol alone in dangerous places. That's where the "large force" bit came from. I'll see if I can find a reference as well. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 01:44, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Right. I was just trying to convey the same thing. Just trying to make the paragraph agree in magnitude. I now understand what the material was trying to say about the large force. As you point out, a citation would be nice to convey that. Kind of needs another cite anyway. I don't think the chart conveys the types of danger which an officer is exposed to. But the danger of straying into subjective threats to life jeopardizes the objectivity (without a npov citation) of the article IMO. Student7 (talk) 14:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I remember seeing something somewhere about the increased degree of danger faced by the Border Patrol. I'll look for a reliable source. Thanks again. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:19, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Your edits

Just curious why you keep changing the Naval Academy Preps page, when the information is helpful to prospective NAPS students as well as informational — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naps14 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

See WP:WPSCH/AG#WNTI. This says (in part) "School articles should also specifically not include:....Trivia which is only of interest to pupils in the school (such as school timetables..." Thanks for communicating on this issue. Student7 (talk) 21:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

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Irina Iordachescu

Hi Student7 . Thanks so much for trying to clean this up today, but I subsequently noticed that an editor with the same name as the subject had pasted in a massive copyvio from her website last June with this edit and in the process removed all your previous work, over-writing it with appalling unreferenced and ungrammatical puffery. I had to revert the article to the last clean version. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 21:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Too bad these subjects can't leave well-enough alone. Or at least point me to them. But WP:RS is important and I couldn't have done that (in Romanian, doubtless). Thanks. Student7 (talk) 21:22, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

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Agree. It is hard to find WP:RS on any food preparation topic. They are, after all, recipes, but I think I succeeded in finding three. Student7 (talk) 23:32, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Quoting pov sources

I hope that you didn't really mean that - of course we quote reliable sources that are pov, it is the article as a whole that needs to meet NPOV. Dougweller (talk) 17:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I meant that we don't paraphrase a pov portion of an otherwise npov/rs so we say that Group x are truly idiots. Nearly all large rs sources I read have, somewhere in them, povs that really don't belong in an npov encyclopedia.

I agree that "quote" may have been the wrong term. If Notable Politician A says that Notable President B is truly an idiot, (and the source is rs) I suppose it will wind up in at least two articles. Student7 (talk) 20:53, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Having said that, I think I would just confuse the issue at this point, by conceding your point on the talk page. You already corrected my wording in the succeeding edit summary. Student7 (talk) 21:00, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Criticism of marriage article

Why did you remove the quote from G B Shaw? You said it was POV. Well, of course it was POV - it was Shaw's own POV that is presented to readers. His views are not endorsed, they are simply explained in the article. The article is called 'Criticism of marriage' and as such it describes the ideas of authors who dissagree with marriage. It does not endorse these ideas, it just presents them in the article. That is the scope of that article - to describe the criticisms of marriage that were given by relevant commentators. Whe the article says "X argues that...", it does not endorse that view, just presents it. 2A02:2F0A:506F:FFFF:0:0:50C:711D (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:17, 19 May 2014 (UTC)