User talk:SpacemanSpiff/Archives/2015/August

Regarding the changes to Bharat Ratna

Why have you removed the images I have added to in the list of recipients of Bharat Ratna?They are licensed under fair use from Wikimedia:Commons Krishna Chaitanya Velaga(Indian) _Talk 08:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

See WP:NFCC for information about fair use. These images are not on Commons, these are non-free images uploaded here. —SpacemanSpiff 12:17, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello

I have left a message on India Talk page regarding images for Ancient India, Medieval India, and early modern India, please do consider it as these image edits will be in good faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pebble101 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

I have already supported increasing the number of geo pics in rotation, but most of the other pics you've posted are duplicates. I'm also having trouble with my internet connection right now, so it's taking me a long time to see anything, so any further comments will have to be later when this trouble of mine is solved. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:46, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your replay. There are no duplicates of Rock-cut Buddhist Art, Mauryan Empire pillars or emblem. As far as Bodhi Temple and Golden Temple i can move those images to Medieval and early modern era respectively, would that be okay? These edits will be in good faith as it will showcase best of India's cultural evolution over time. It would also be good to have some change in these sections as not much images has been changed since the page was created.

Right now, I would only prefer to edit images in period section, we can furter discuss about Geo & Bio some other time. Please do let me know if i'm allowed to do so. Thank You.small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pebble101 (talk • contribs)

Please don't do that. Like I've mentioned, the images have been chosen for a reason and we can not and should not let personal choices affect that as it would mean that the article will see no end of it. The images are also placed in those sections based on relevance. A better quality Ajanta image is already included, the only thing is the Mauryan pillar and clearly the quality of images on that is quite lacking. The article is a featured article and all images included have been reviewed stringently, most of them are either Featured Pictures or of comparable quality. Please wait for other people to chime in, there's no reason to rush things based on personal preference. —SpacemanSpiff 18:12, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick reply. I understand your views regrading unnecessary edits. It's a downer that compared to others, our nations wiki page has failed to showcase best of our civilization in history sections. The images i have proposed is based on relevance of each period and their influence on all aspects of Indian civilization as whole. I do remember that image of rock-cut Buddhist architecture i have proposed was Featured Picture, I should be able to change the current low quality faded painting of Ajanta with Ajanta architecture then? If not then, what can be done to have some changes on this page? please do let me know, Thank you again for your quick reply! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pebble101 (talk • contribs) 18:51, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, SpacemanSpiff, would it be good to add voting process regrading images for Ancient India section? If so then do let me know how this process works — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pebble101 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Pebble101, you don't have to link my name on my own talk page as I will get an automatic notification on posts here. Also, while on other pages it's better to use {{U|Username}} than copying the signature, but make sure that you sign your name at the end of the post, in the same edit, using ~~~~ or the notifications will not go. On the question of a poll, this format you have set up currently seems fine, if there is a bigger choice pool to be introduced, at that time we can just have a gallery and a separate area for people to express their opinions. I'm guessing you are still looking for better quality pictures? But be aware, this process can and should take a while, the last time we chose pictures for the article, it took about two months of discussions to settle on the current lot, so any change will likely not happen overnight in this case. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:18, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your informative reply, I have tried to find more quality images of Sanchi Stupa but it's limited and i have picked the best ones i could find from this period, which is good representation of architectural style from ancient India. Pebble101 (talk) 19:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Regarding edit on delhi page

Anjali das gupta (talk) 07:50, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey greetings

I was about to correct that as I have the correct sources,can I re edit the page with correct sources.sorry for the mistakeAnjali das gupta (talk) 07:50, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the edits on delhi page

Anjali das gupta (talk) 08:00, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

hey greetings

I would like to share my sources with you .If you can pls guide me for the same.

http://www.archive.india.gov.in/knowindia/culture_heritage.php?id=46

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Jama_Masjid,_Delhi

I would be grateful If u can please guide me on autoconfirmed users also.(how many edits and time period)

ThanksAnjali das gupta (talk) 08:00, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Premthanjavur

Premthanjavur is back after your June block and has straight away returned to disruptive editing. - Sitush (talk) 08:32, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Regarding examples for edit

Anjali das gupta (talk) 09:31, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey spiff

I am actually confuse that what kind of sources are required ,can u pls give me an example of sites 
which are correct according to you in every case such as in medicine,biographies of person and if I am editing places or monuments then what kind of sources.

Thanks Spiff 
Looking forward for positive response
Anjali das gupta (talk) 09:31, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Caste catergorisation

Hi, I know that there is a long-standing consensus we do do not categorise people by caste (User:Sitush/Common#Castecats) and that you have been quite heavily involved in some of the CfDs concerning that. I've never fully understood why we do not do it, other than the potential for BLP problems, and periodically I wonder why it is we still categorise people as Dalit, given that it is effectively the fifth "caste". Any ideas? - Sitush (talk) 08:03, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Eh? "do do" has a different meaning, if my recollection of George Bush is correct. Struck and replaced - sorry about that. - Sitush (talk) 08:39, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

The caste categorization consensus pre-dates my time on Wikipedia -- it was already consensus before I started editing, so I haven't been involved in actually discussing it, just enforcing that consensus. utcursch might be able to help on that I think as he's participated in the relevant discussion. —SpacemanSpiff 08:44, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

So it was probably determined on Day One ;) I'll see if utcursch responds to your ping, thanks. - Sitush (talk) 08:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't remember if there was consensus on categorization of people in the "Dalit" category. But I'd say the categorization should be limited to Category:Dalit activists (if the person is notable for social activism involving Dalit issues) or Category:Dalit leaders (if the person is involved in Dalit-centered politics). utcursch | talk 14:50, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I can't see consensus in the original discussion that SS linked but we seem to have spawned a lot more Dalit categories since that time. Hypothetically, would those in Category:Dalit writers, for example, qualify for recategorisation as Category:Dalit activists? - Sitush (talk) 14:54, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Temples

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Temples. Thanks. Vin09 (talk) 05:46, 5 August 2015 (UTC)Template:Z48

One more

Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Railways.--Vin09 (talk) 06:03, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

ANI

Thanks for that but can you talk to User:Marchoctober about these edits? That desynop argument is related to an entirely different article and a different set of editors who hate me. You can look under the collapse section at Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Section_break which is why I'm presuming it's an attempt to attack me further. For him, it's a WP:ROPE situation at this point. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I've given an ARBIPA warning for now as it is quite appropriate given the behavior I've noticed. I see that NeilN is adminning the page and is monitoring all activity, so I'll defer to his judgment on anything here (also since he's on more than I am!) —SpacemanSpiff 14:46, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I'm just about to go away for a few days so another pair of admin eyes on that talk page would be helpful. Ciao! --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:03, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Didn't they tell you that new admins aren't allowed to take time off for at least six months? —SpacemanSpiff 15:05, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

No, they only told me that you are solely responsible for making sure the place doesn't burn down when one of us is off sipping margaritas. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:09, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) So they lied when they told me I was?  Philg88 ^♦talk 15:12, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

A word with the crats might be necessary now. —SpacemanSpiff 15:13, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

(multi ec) Do I sense a power vacuum forming? Two down, 546 active admins to go. ... - Sitush (talk) 15:14, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Lesser known temples of the Hoysala Empire

Lesser known temples of the Hoysala Empire seems to be an article that transcludes a navbox template and says little else. I've never seen this done before and I'm not sure of the merits. Thoughts? - Sitush (talk) 14:45, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

I think it might fail NLIST, but I rarely pay attention to these. Though it looks odd in its current form, at least it should be converted to a functional list like bibliographies etc. Perhaps a merge of the "better known" and the "lesser known" might be in order. —SpacemanSpiff 15:08, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Nizamabad, Telangana

Could you comment at Talk:Nizamabad,_Telangana#Area.--Vin09 (talk) 16:27, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Chaganti Koteswara Rao.

Hello,

here is my comment :

@SpacemanSpiff: I am glad you replied me fast. I'm having a little difficulty understanding the word "soapbox" in your comment. I was wondering if you can please explain how this page will be classified into that category. Thank you --Vamsiborra (talk) 16:23, 11 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vamsiborra (talk • contribs)

Please see the linked page --WP:SOAPBOX, what you've been doing at that article is adding unsourced promotional content. See also WP:BLP which is about how biographies of living persons should be treated. Only add content that can be sourced to reliable sources. —SpacemanSpiff 16:49, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Andhra Pradesh Express

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Andhra Pradesh Express. Thanks. Vin09 (talk) 11:38, 12 August 2015 (UTC)Template:Z48

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I hereby award you the Original Barnstar, for your fine contributions to articles relating to India, and Indian Culture. Keep up the good work! I don't usually give out barnstars or receive them, but your work deserved commendation! Luis Santos24 (Have a good day!) 12:23, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you Luis Santos24. —SpacemanSpiff 12:41, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

English male writers

Oh, I know, but sometimes bugs creep into the category tree as I'm working. Regarding R. K. Narayan: he appears to have been classified as "English" at some point in the past before I got to the article, and that's what's led to the confusion. Thanks for the corrections, and if you come across any others that look wrong please feel free to fix 'em up. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 05:06, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

@Ser Amantio di Nicolao: I think the lack of disambiguation in the tree is confusing, so people assume that English means English language here and add them (quite honestly, it took me months to realize this too!) cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 05:22, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Could be. I try to fix things up as I come across errors, but something always falls through the cracks - thanks for spotting me. :-)

Any suggestions for clarifying the tree? I've been creating new categories on the model of previously-created ones, so they all match. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 05:30, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

@Ser Amantio di Nicolao: I think one possibility is to create the English-language equivalent categories (they exist for some, but not all) but I think "Indian male English-language short story writers" is a mouthful and is probably a waste of category real estate at the bottom of articles. I'm just creating the Indian equivalent of the people based cats, so maybe that might ease the confusion a little. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 05:37, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, that makes sense for India, and maybe a couple of other countries. But I can't think of many countries where English and another language share duties as the main language to such an extent that it would be necessary. I was thinking maybe a hatnote of some sort in the category space itself would be better, but it's late and my brain's getting ready to shut down for the night, so I can't think of wording. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 05:39, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

The main cat has some sort of description, so perhaps that could be made clearer and propagated down the tree? —SpacemanSpiff 05:42, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

FWIW, a similar problem occurs with actors. Eg: there is a difference between someone who acts in Tamil-produced films/someone from Tamil Nadu who acts in films/someone who acts in Tamil-language films/someone who is an ethnic Tamil who acts in films. Categories on WP are often a complete joke, I'm afraid, primarily because there is no consistency of application in a taxonomic system that relies on consistency for its utility. I've said before that it really needs to be torn down and started again. Hatnotes in category space will not change things much, especially when HotCat is used so extensively - people do not actually see the category space at all, merely the specific entry. - Sitush (talk) 07:08, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

It'd be worse for Assamese as the people from the state are Assamese, the language is Assamese, the linguistic group is Assamese and so on. Same for Manipuri, Rajasthani, Punjabi, etc etc. —SpacemanSpiff 07:20, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll look at the main cat later today, then, and see what it says - that might be the route to go. Having said which, Sitush makes some points that I quite agree with. One of the reasons I do so much categorization is that I'm trying to bring some kind of consistency to the articles that do exist, and it doesn't always work. --16:09, 12 August 2015 (UTC)