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    June 25

    Referencing errors on Ornstein–Zernike equation

    Reference help requested.

    The website documentation indicates/implies uri that I supplied is "archival" in nature, I think that I would/should indicate that as well, too -- I have made the edit as it stands using archive-url, but good ol' "ReferenceBot" disagrees, probably because my supplied url is "(pre-internet)", for the average case, like this one, what is the best rendering/use of keywords/values ? So as not to unnecessarily catch the bot's attentions in the future ?? And to my and wikipedia's (standard protocols) satisfaction, too???

    [edit] 

    {{cite journal
    |last1= Ornstein 
    |first1= L. S. 
    |last2= Zernike 
    |first2= F. 
    |title= Accidental deviations of density and opalescence at the critical point of a single substance |series= Proceedings 
    |journal= Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences (KNAW) 
    |date= 1914 
    |volume= 17 
    |pages= 793-806	
    |bibcode= 1914KNAB...17..793. 
 *  |url= (pre internet) 
 *  |archive-date= 24 Sep 2010
 *  |archive-url= http://www.dwc.knaw.nl/DL/publications/PU00012727.pdf
    |format= pdf 
 *  |quote= Archived at the 'Digital Library' of the Dutch History of Science Web Center  
}}

    Thanks, WurmWoodeT 00:52, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Use |url=. If there is an archived copy of that url at Internet Archive or other archiving service, that archival url goes in |archive-url=. However, consider changing to {{cite book}} instead:
    {{cite book
    |last1= Ornstein 
    |first1= L. S. 
    |last2= Zernike 
    |first2= F. 
    |section=Accidental deviations of density and opalescence at the critical point of a single substance
    |title=Proceedings 
    |publisher=Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences (KNAW) 
    |date=1914 
    |volume=17 
    |pages=793-806	
    |bibcode=1914KNAB...17..793. 
    |section-url= http://www.dwc.knaw.nl/DL/publications/PU00012727.pdf
    |section-format= pdf 
}}
    Ornstein, L. S.; Zernike, F. (1914). "Accidental deviations of density and opalescence at the critical point of a single substance" (pdf). Proceedings. Vol. 17. Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences (KNAW). pp. 793–806. Bibcode:1914KNAB...17..793.
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 01:23, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Need Help Publishing Wikipedia Article

    Hi,

    I need help in publishing a drafted article few months back. Due to certain issues, I've to make some edits which I already done but the status is still the same. Can one you please check this article and share the feedback so I can make the required changes to assure it's publishing over wikipedia.

    URL - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_it_(Gold_VIP_Technology_Pvt._Ltd.)

    Thanks in advance!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhaygoldvip (talk • contribs) 06:58, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Abhaygoldvip, the article is obvious spam, moved to article space from a draft by you, consequently nominated for deletion and now deleted by me. You appear to be working directly or indirectly for the company, or otherwise are acting on its behalf. If you are paid directly or indirectly by the company you are writing about, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Abhaygoldvip. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Help desk|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Please do not edit further until you respond to this message. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:18, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Deleting WP pages

    Is there a separate procedure for deleting WP pages? I'm thinking of WP:Randy in space.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:12, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @Jack Upland: Yes, see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:56, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    How do I update and edit the information on your site

    How do I update and edit the information about me on your site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.245.149.148 (talk) 11:50, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    IP it depends on what info you are talking about and where it is placed. Since you do not have a talk or user page it is unclear what info u are talking about. All pages have an edit source button top right area of the window where u can edit the article (if u have permissions to edit it) VarunFEB2003 Talk • Contribs • Guestbook 12:37, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    If you want to have information about yourself on the site, that is another reason to register an account. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    If there is an article about you (or material about you in an article on another subject) that you are not happy with, please see WP:AUTOPROB for how to proceed. --ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Extended confirmed user

    I came back here after a 2 months wikibreak and I saw that I'm a extended confirmed user. So what is this permission and whats the difference between autoconfirmed users?

    WP:Extended confirmed user explains it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:42, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Overlinking Question

    In reviewing drafts, I occasionally encounter a draft that has serious overlinking of ordinary words, which is distracting from the article. It typically appears, from context, that the author of the article is in India or some other country where English is the usual second language. My question (and if this is the wrong place to be asking, please direct me elsewhere) is whether linking to ordinary words should be based on the assumption that the reader is level 4 fluent in English and so not only doesn’t need linking of ordinary words but is distracted by it. (I am assuming that a Briton or Canadian or Australian would be just as distracted by overlinking as an American.) Robert McClenon (talk) 16:22, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    This isn't purely meant to be a review question, but about the philosophy of who we should assume is the reader. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:24, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a brilliant query Robert. If you read the results of the Wikipedia Readership Survey 2011, the average reader was apparently above 30 and significantly from the Americas and West. The figures may have changed now, but the concept of overlinking, what is and what is not overlinking, is best addressed on the talk pages of the respective articles given that I believe your view in general is right – that Wikipedia is catering to readers who are the level 4 category. Common sense, and a combination of the culture of this place and its editors who have a feel of what is and what is not overlinking, is what is guiding a majority of editors here right now on this issue; and it seem okay to me. Lourdes 00:52, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I am a bit suspicious of that online survey due to multiple possible selection biases. But anyways, https://simple.wikipedia.org/ exists for a reason. While technical terms or words with a different meaning in the context should be linked, that is to build the encyclopedia, as a convenient way to have a "see also" that takes little space and can be skipped. I do not think we should link for dictionary definitions; I think the assumed reader is level 3+ at least. TigraanClick here to contact me 11:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Question about "reliable sources" and press releases

    Hello, is it OK to source some factual information about a school from the school's own homepage or a press release?

    Example: "Beginning in kindergarten, students receive hands-on, inquiry-based science five days a week with a dedicated science teacher."

    This is very rare in a public school setting in NYC, but most "reliable sources" simply don't get to that level of detail, and yet this is an extremely valuable info for prospective parents.

    So I would like to include this into a wiki article, directly attributing this info to the school's own web site.

    Would that be allowed?

    Thanks Yuri Brooklyn (talk) 17:27, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Yuri, in my opinion: no! The sentence seems a promotional statement. It should not be included especially when sourced from the school's website or press release. Lourdes 17:49, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed; added to which, Wikipedia is not a directory to be used in choosing suppliers of services. Eagleash (talk) 17:55, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Lourdes Eagleash Thank you. I am curious with how you see the difference between promotional and informational content.

    If a school has 2 teachers per class (the norm in NYC public schools is 1), and has daily science in every grade (also unusual in NYC), it is positive, but factual info. How can I get that information in?

    What if that same info were quoted by a "reliable source", would that be OK then?

    Thanks Yuri Brooklyn (talk) 18:09, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks

    Yuri Brooklyn, if a reliable independent source had thought that information worth mentioning, then there would be a case for putting it in the article: it would have to be truly independent of the school, though, not involving an interview or a press relese. Even then, it is not automatic that it should go in the article: the consensus would have to conclude it was encyclopaedic and not promotional; but you could put it in and if anybody objected, you could make a case for its inclusion. But if it is sourced only from the school's website, then putting it in would be endorsing their opinion of what is significant about the school, which is contrary to our requirement for a neutral point of view. --ColinFine (talk) 19:50, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    IP-address

    Is it possible to find an IP-address of a registered user? I warned a user several times as he was vandalising many articles. He then stopped editing, but now an IP-address (not a registered user) is doing some of the same as the user I warned. SveinFalk (talk) 18:41, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @SveinFalk: Only a very small subset of users have that ability. They are called checkusers and access to that ability is highly restricted. You may attempt to file a sockpuppet investigation request but checkusers will not publicly link accounts to IP address for privacy reasons. If the IP is vandalizing articles, warn them a few times and then report them to WP:AIV. That is probably a much better, and faster way, to deal with this situation. --Majora (talk) 18:45, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! SveinFalk (talk) 18:48, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    User:SveinFalk - The real problem at this point is not that you need to know whether the registered user and the IP address are the same, but that the IP address is a vandal. So just report the IP address. The IP address should be blocked. It is less important whether the registered editor is behind the IP address or is blocked. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:54, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Sending content of a sandbox to an outside file.

    I have a sandbox filled with math formulas. I wonder if it is possible to send the content of the sandbox to an outside file with the stipulation that ALL LaTeX formatting will be preserved? By that I mean that I will click on the file name and will see all my formulas in some kind of a browser.

    I want to give more details as to what I need. I create files in LibreOffice Writer which is a Linux application. I am able to write some formulas there including integrals, sum signs, subscripts and superscripts. I cannot create subscripts of subscripts or subscripts of superscripts and the Wikipedia's sandbox allows me to do it easily. LibreOffice Writer has an option of uploading an external file and I hope to accomplish that. I tried to load the raw LaTeX formatting into LibreOffice Writer's file but it did not work. Formatting in LibreOffice Writer is not LaTeX based system. Thanks, --AboutFace 22 (talk) 19:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm pretty sure you can't, AboutFace 22. You can export a page as a PDF file, but that's the only way Wikipedia provides. I'm not sure what format of file you are thinking of, but if LibreOffice won't let you format a certain way, then its file format probably doesn't support that formatting. --ColinFine (talk) 20:01, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure what you mean by "ALL LaTeX formatting will be preserved". Does this achieve what you want? I just looked at your sandbox in my browser, right-clicked and chose "View page source", and copied it all into an html file which I uploaded. What was once LaTeX displays fine; the links of course no longer work. Maproom (talk) 20:59, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    AboutFace 22 I used to work on LibreOffice and faced similar problems and much more. In the long run, I changed over to a more dynamic word processor as it saved a lot of time. But till the time I used LibreOffice, my work around for such issues was to create stuff like "subscripts of superscripts" in another document (your sandbox, if you may), then take a selective screenshot (that is, a screenshot not of the whole screen but only of the formula) and then paste it as a picture into the LibreOffice doc and resize the same to my use. It's a workaround only. Lourdes 00:36, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    It is not necessary to take a selective screenshot due to the fact that <math></math> tags render as images in the HTML, meaning you could download those images directly. For example, the first formula on User:AboutFace 22/sandbox is accessible as an image here Pppery (talk) 01:04, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Brilliant. Lourdes 01:27, 26 June 2016 (UTC)environment name tags[reply]

    Thank you, everyone, for suggestions. I am using LibreOffice since it is a better alternative than MS Word. I tried MS Word and it gave me many distortions even in simple integrals. I tried to convert my sandbox content into a pdf file and it worked only to the extent that I had simple subscripts not subscripts of subscripts or subscripts of superscripts. On that the converter failed. Now I am trying to use Linux TeXstudio application. The promise is huge but so far it does not work for me. Ideally it should do everything LaTeX provides. --AboutFace 22 (talk) 15:31, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @Maproom, thank you. Something terrible happened to my sandbox. I removed the most crucial part which was at the bottom and which contained more complicated functions with subscripts of subscripts and subscripts of superscripts into tutorial sandbox 1 & 2 and left them there. I did not read the warning that the content in those sandboxes is cleared every 12 hours and now everything is gone. I wonder if that can be restored for a few hours? Of course, it is all in my head and I can restore it by entering everything manually but it is quite a bit of work, perhaps 3 hours.

    That html you showed to me is fine and I could get a pdf file out of the original sandbox as long as there are no more complicated subscripts which are now gone. Thank you. --AboutFace 22 (talk) 15:44, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    It is still possible to look at the material you put in Wikipedia:Tutorial/Formatting/sandbox by clicking the view history button and finding your revision - see Help:Page history Pppery (talk) 15:51, 26 June 2016 (UTC) (same user that commented previously)[reply]
    You can likewise get the contents back from User:AboutFace 22/sandbox in the same manner, although you would ness to use the view history button on that page instead. Pppery (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY AMAZING, and you are amazing on Sunday! I was able to restore ALL my code, the portions I deleted as a result of my stupidity. Thank you very much. Now I want to ask @Maproom to try to convert it to html because now the sandbox has the portion with the subscripts of subscripts and subscripts of superscripts. As I mentioned before I could convert the sandbox content to pdf but not the last portion with two level of subscripts. That conversion failed. MANY MANY THANKS TO YOU ALL. --AboutFace 22 (talk) 18:41, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @AboutFace 22: Do note that Maproom is not automatically notified when you say @Maproom in your comments. Linking to their userpage to is required for automatic notification. The {{ping}} template is useful for this purpose, as I used at the beginning of this comment. In this case, you would use {{ping|Maproom}} or, if you wanted to ping me too, {{ping|Pppery|Maproom}}. Pppery (talk) 19:03, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Pppery: Since you are talking about pinging, your fix would also not have triggered a ping. If you fail the first time you have to redo the entire thing from scratch. New ping template and new signature. Just correcting the name in a template will not send a notification. Just keep that in mind for the future. --Majora (talk) 19:44, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Majora: I was not actually trying to ping anyone with my edit with the summary Correct pinging. I was correcting the {{tl}}ed example pings Pppery (talk) 19:54, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you very much again. Now I @Maproom: for him to take a look at my last paragraphs, and I am doing it with a ping. BTW, TeXstudio is beginning to work.. --AboutFace 22 (talk) 20:24, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Done: see [1]. I'm not doing anything difficult or clever here, just grabbing the html, saving it, and re-uploading it. Maproom (talk) 21:26, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    WOW, WOW, WOW! It really works! It is very impressive! OK, in order for me to use it and I will almost definitely will (although now I am making considerable progress with Linux TeXstudio application and it also can do double level subscripts), so in order for me to make use of what you just showed to me I would need another, second sandbox, if it is at all possible in Wikipedia. That sandbox is simply a collection of formulas. I need to insert a lot of text between them for my current project. First, thank you very much but also here's my question: can I set up a parallel sandbox? Thank you @Maproom: (with a ping :-) BTW, How to print it out? --AboutFace 22 (talk) 22:09, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    AboutFace 22: User:AboutFace_22/sandbox is your sandbox, User:AboutFace_22/sandbox2 is another of your sandboxes. In a sense it doesn't exist yet, there's nothing in it, and the link is red not blue; but you can edit it, and as soon as you type or copy anything into it, it will exist. However, if you put html, rather than Wikipedia markup, into a Wikipedia page, you may not get quite what you expect. Maproom (talk) 07:52, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @@Maproom: thank you for the option of getting a second sandbox. I appreciate it. I may use it on a very temporary basis but what did you mean by saying that "if you put html, rather than Wikipedia markup, into a Wikipedia page, you may not get quite what you expect?" --AboutFace 22 (talk) 22:10, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @AboutFace 22: What Maproom means is that most HTML tags do not get interpreted as HTML when placed as source code for a wikipedia article. For example, even though it is possible to add images to Wikipedia using markup like [[File:Example.jpg]], attemptong to add images via HTML using <img> tags will just produce a literal <img> in the rendered page. Pppery (talk) 15:02, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    June 26

    Is a histmerge required?

    So, I have been working on an expansion/rewrite of ballistic fingerprinting for a while now and I am finally done. Instead of writing it in place I decided to write it as a draft and in the process expand the article to encompass the entire forensic firearm examination process. Also, since the expanded article details more than just ballistics I renamed it. See Draft:Forensic firearm examination for the completed draft that is ready for mainspace. My question is, since the draft is an expansion of the article already in mainspace does that require a histmerge? I did not copy and paste any information from the article to my draft. I rewrote everything. Normally, I would just move my draft to mainspace and redirect ballistic fingerprinting to the new name once I moved the draft to mainspace. But now I am not sure since the two are technically the same subject. The current mainspace article is just a small part of the new, expanded, article. What is the proper procedure for something like this? --Majora (talk) 02:02, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    On technical grounds, the process is simple. Move your draft to mainspace and redirect the previous article to your article. On merit, it's a tough call. You'll have to be sure there is no relevant material that you're foregoing in the previous article by redirection. You'll also have to be clear what the name of the article should be. There may be editors who prefer the previous name to your new article name. But as they say, if you're trying to improve the project, be bold. Your draft seems fine – although I am not an expert in the area. Go ahead, do it. And then discuss if someone challenges it. Lourdes 03:32, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Xender Lourdes: I don't think anyone would be opposed to the title move. The article draft is GA status at this point, and I intend to nominate it as such once the move is complete. The new title corresponds to what the article is about. I know there is no additional relevant material on the current mainspace article, all of it has been incorporated into the new one. I don't want to redirect the current article until I know whether or not a histmerge is necessary. Performing additional edits on the mainspace article could make history merging challenging and I would rather not cause any additional problems for an admin should that be necessary. I don't want to be bold unless I know for sure the proper way to handle this. --Majora (talk) 03:44, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Lost talkpage comments with page move

    I recently moved "The Lady of the Camellias" to La Dame aux Camélias. I checked the box that said "Move associated talkpage", but it doesn't seem to have happened, because there had been comments on the old talkpage that aren't showing up under the new talkpage name. They were from a few years ago, so it's nothing urgent, but they should probably be in an archive or something, but I can't find them. What did I do wrong? Thanks! —PermStrump(talk) 04:32, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @Permstrump: The talk page had edits after the initial redirect creation. Therefore, the page could not be moved normally. Either a page mover or an admin will have to move it. Or you can tag it G6-move. Which I will do so now. --Majora (talk) 04:37, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    The talk page has been moved. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 10:52, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Majora and Edokter: Thank you! —PermStrump(talk) 14:41, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Table Calculations

    Is there a way to automatically calculate values in a table? For example, can I automatically have a bottom cell that is the the sum of a column? Or the average? --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 08:05, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Not directly. You can create a template or module for that. You have something specific in mind? --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 08:07, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I have asked for that capability to be added - presumably, it is on a list of desired features, but it hasn't bubbled to the top of the priority list.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:39, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Edgars2007 and Sphilbrick: thanks for the responses. The section in question is here California Fire Yearly Stats. Just annoying to have to recalculate it. *first world problem*. Thanks! --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:13, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zackmann08: Yes, it is a first world problem but as I pointed out in my proposal, one might think that computers would be good at this.
    The proposal is here
    It got some support but did not get enough to reach the top 10 list so I don't anticipate it being implemented soon.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:25, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sphilbrick: added my vote! I agree this would be super useful. --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:29, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Alignment of div cols

    Is it possible to change the alignment of a div col so that everything is in a line? On my user page, I have a userbox but that makes it so there's a different middle for the first list (As shown in this screenshot). I'd like the top bit to be moved to where the green line points (Like this). Sorry if this is hard to understand, I don't really know how to word this. Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:42, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    It's not possible to govern the exact width of columns; the always take the available space. What you can do is use {{clear}}, which will force anything below it to move down any floating object (the userbox in this case). -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 10:58, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    oldformat=true

    What's the purpose of adding ?oldformat=true to a Wikipedia URL? --Komischn (talk) 11:40, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't think it has any effect. As a general rule, it is possible to add an arbitrary query string to any URL without changing the rendered content Pppery(talk) 12:09, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Where did you find a reference to this parameter btw ? —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:14, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    It's used by external skins and mirrors—notably Wikiwand—to tell browsers that they should display a particular page on vanilla Wikipedia rather than within their own site. Within Wikipedia itself it should have no effect. ‑ Iridescent 12:22, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Homoeopathy

    article on homoeopathy is not true...plz do correct even the spelling of homoeopathy is incorrect... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Neethu Venugopal (talk • contribs) 13:49, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Dr. Neethu Venugopal If you have questions about the article, then you should discuss them at the article's talkpage- please make sure that they are supported by reliable sources. As for the spelling, that's the commonest spelling of the term I believe. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:01, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    The usual spelling at least in the United States is Homeopathy, which is the primary title. If an article title has variant spellings, they are taken care of by redirects. If you have issues with the article, address them at the talk page, Talk: Homeopathy. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:04, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I've only ever seen Homeopathy used as a spelling, and I'm English. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:17, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, one can't say that about many countries, including United States, where the spelling "Homoeopathy" is also used quite often. e.g. Clinical trials of homoeopathy, is amongst hundreds of reports on the US government's repository that use the alternative spelling... Nevertheless, the redirects take care of that. Lourdes 17:25, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Given how common the alternate spelling is (it's used, mostly in quotes, 27 times in the article itself), I've added the alternate spelling to the lead. Rwessel (talk)

    Orange is the new black season four

    Please remove that entry towards the end of the season that just says "Poussey dies." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.235.99 (talk) 16:41, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @74.75.235.99: This is not the place to talk about changes to individual articles. You should either boldly perform the removal yourself or discuss it on the talk page of the article in question. Pppery (talk) 16:45, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Question about Sources

    Hi there,

    So, I would like to make a page on popstar Amanda Holley, a singer/songwriter of the legendary Tommy Boy Records. I have some questions regarding sources, however.

    1. Do you accept high profile blogs as sources? Such as the following potential sources: http://www.hhkmag.com/amanda-holley-feenin-new-single/ or http://goodmusicallday.com/2016/06/amanda-holley-leaves-u-feenin/ 2. Would you accept an MTV or radio station interview they do a write-up of online as a source? 3. How many of these sources would be required in order to write an article?

    Thank you guys in advance, sorry I'm new and not very clear on this :)

    Best, Frequent Wikipedia user — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlemon03 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    • Mlemon03, I'll suggest you should necessarily read WP:BLP, WP:BIO, especially Wikipedia:Notability (music), WP:Verifiability, and specially the section on Blogs within the said policy. You can also additionally give a good read to WP:Reliable sources. These will give you a good understanding of what can be accepted and what cannot be accepted. Answering your specific questions, both the potential sources you've mentioned above seem unacceptable as they seem blatantly promotional (giving away the iTunes and Soundcloud download accounts). And on your question of MTV and other sources, list them here or preferably at WP:Reliable sources noticeboard for a quick feedback on whether they would be acceptable or not. How many sources are required to prove notability? It is an editorial judgement based on our guidelines. Read Wikipedia:Notability (music) to understand this part of your query. Don't hesitate to come back here for further assistance. Lourdes 16:59, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Mlemon03: in addition to what Xender Lourdes said above, in general, two good sources or even one exceptional source can be enough to write an article (some editors will insist on multiple sources though). However, a thousand bad sources are not enough. It has to be "significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources". Even high-profile blogs, youtube channels etc. can be promotional hence unreliable or not independent. TigraanClick here to contact me 11:02, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Image Question

    Here is an immediate puzzle. A month or two ago the picture of the day featured a painting (not a photograph) of three people at dinner weirdly self-conscious. I have only the download address: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fra_et_romersk_osteria.jpg No information on the artist, no explanation of the peculiar head gear of one of the patrons, no explanation of who these people were. Who, at least, was the photographer of the painting? Question: is this picture available on the usual terms? I have I use for it. 208.124.213.186 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:30, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    The information you want can be found at the bottom of the file description page. Pppery (talk) 20:06, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    See also [2]. You can click "READ ABOUT THE ARTWORK" above the image. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:11, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Image Request Query

    Dear All,

    A Flickr user has queried the following to me;

    "Sorry, but I don't wish to make my pictures available commercially to anyone, except perhaps Wikipedia. Is there a way I could license them (for nothing) to Wikipedia only?"

    Is there any way around this?

    Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surrey101 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Pretty much no. In short, other than images uploaded under the "fair use" guidelines (which likely do not apply), all images must be essentially free. The guidelines are at Wikipedia:Image use policy. Rwessel (talk) 20:58, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, many thanks. Surrey101 (talk) 21:17, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]


    June 27

    template creation - technical assistance

    I have run into opening/closing braces problems while creating a template. How can I request assistance from someone with better technical understanding? The template in question is Template:Infobox uncontested presidential election small, and an unwanted code appears when used on a page (such as "{{#if:2012June 20162020| | colspan=4 |"). Brilliantwiki2 (talk) 02:34, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Is that better? I think you were missing a proper close to the if and cell end. Rwessel (talk) 04:43, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, many thanks! I made some sandbox tests and everything seems to be properly closed now. Brilliantwiki2 (talk) 08:48, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Referencing errors on United Kingdom local elections, 2003

    Reference help requested. Hi can somebody please help with my broken reference name on this page. Thanks Timjones86 (talk) 08:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC) Thanks, Timjones86 (talk) 08:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    In the error message, the words "help desk" are in blue, indicating that they are a wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text. You can't use a named reference without having defined it. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:38, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    List of islam movements by country

    Hi, in analogy with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fascist_movements_by_country_A%E2%80%93F I would welcome a list of islam movements.

    Is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.194.221.65 (talk) 13:00, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I found a few things that may be related to what you're looking for. Category:Islamic organizations by country is an existing page, as is Category:Islamist groups. If you don't think either of these is quite what you're looking for then you can request a list to be created or even better you can create one yourself. Both of WP:YFA and MOS:LIST would be good places to read first. Hope that helps! --AndrewJD (talk) 13:22, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Article recreation (Roundme)

    Hi, My name is Helen! Ive created my first article and published it on Wikipedia. But unfortunatelly later on it was deleted due to "unambigious advertising" matter. I contacted the administrator and explained that I understood the fault. Moreover I studied all the guidlines more carefully and rewrote the article in a neutral form that meets Wiki content policies. Now I want to publish it again, but I still see the ban (blue lock) under the name of my edit source. I will appreciate if you could help by advice as for what could be done in this issue. The link is provided https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=Template%3AUnreviewed-preload&editintro=Template%3AUnreviewed-editintro&summary=&nosummary=&prefix=&minor=&title=Roundme&create=Create+a+new+article+directly I am very confussed and upset about this situation and really want to solve the problem! Thanks in advance. Helen roundme (talk) 14:29, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    The article seems to be at User:Helen roundme/sandbox.
    Helen roundme, there is a blue button at the top of the article that says "Submit article for review". Click that and it will put it in a queue for review. It may take a couple weeks for someone to get to it as there is a large queue. Dismas|(talk) 14:37, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Helen roundme:. There is a draft article at Draft:roundme, which you could make your contributions to and then submit for review via the articles for creation process. However, the fact that you are trying to create an article containing your own username may suggest you have a conflict of interest. Pppery (talk) 14:41, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you a lot for the comments! I do understand this conflict of interest might be the biggest issue stopping me from creation even a new article unfortunatelly. How can I technically avoid this conflict of interest then? Shall I change my username on the same account? If so how can I do it? Or maybe there are any other possible options? Looking forward to your replies! Thanks.Helen roundme (talk) 18:03, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @Helen roundme: You seem to be misunderstanding what a conflict of interest is. A conflict of interest is something that you as an editor (might) have. It is not something that can be technically avioded. I was just speculating based on the fact that you are trying to create an article containing part of your username. See the guideline I linked to in my previous comment (WP:COI) for further information. Pppery (talk) 18:26, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Finding a particular edit ?

    How does one find when and who added a particular word or phrase to an article (without having to scan though hundreds or even thousands of diffs)? Aoziwe (talk) 16:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:WIKIBLAME. Dismas|(talk) 16:30, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Perfect - thanks Aoziwe (talk) 02:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Creating Wikipedia page for my company

    I read the conflict of interest page and I understand that creating a Wiki Page for the company I work in might constitute a conflict of interest. However, it is a major company in the aerospace industry and, surprisingly, it does not have a wikipedia page yet. Can I go ahead and create a wikipedia page and let other fellow wikipedians review the conflict of interest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibuildseats (talk • contribs) 16:31, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, if your company is passes WP:GNG, you can request that an article be created via WP:REQ. However there is no guarantee that it would be created. Wikipedia articles by-and-large are created by volunteer editors with no connection to the subject and using information obtained via reliable independent sources. It is generally discouraged, though not prohibited, for WP:COI reasons for an editor to write about something with which they have a close connection. Eagleash (talk) 17:22, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ibuildseats: Eagleash's suggestions are good, though you may also go with the articles for creation process. There you write a draft article, that will only get pushed to mainspace after being reviewed and accepted by a veteran editor (who might suggest/require changes). Just be open about your conflict of interest.
    Note also that paid editing must be disclosed (see the link for details); if your company specifically asks that you edit their page, it qualifies as paid editing. (If it is not the case, you still have a WP:COI, and it is better to disclose it though not mandatory.) TigraanClick here to contact me 10:48, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Work in Marketing for a bank -- how can I add information to our Wikipedia page?

    I work on the Marketing team at IBERIABANK. We currently have a Wikipedia page, but I have never edited it or added any information to it. Our head of Communications would like us to "improve" the page. It sounds like Marketing/PR teams are not supposed to directly edit the page, so what is the best way to get the page updated? I have read several articles online, and they mention using the "Talk" page - but if I click on "Talk" from our IBERIABANK page, I get this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:IBERIABANK and I am not sure where I am supposed to go from there.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks,

    Emilia Anderson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emiliaanderson (talk • contribs) 18:52, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi Emiliaanderson. On that page you would click the button near the top that says, "New section" and an edit window will popup. You want to put {{request edit}} followed by a detailed summary of the changes you want made and reference to sources supporting the changes. Please read this page on what constitutes a reliable source so you know what kind of sources Wikipedia deems acceptable. A good rule of thumb is that sources must be about the company, supporting any assertion you want made in the article, but produced independently of the company; in other words, avoid the company's website, press releases, news articles generated from press releases, the company's marketing materials, etc. Once that is done, wait to see if anyone responds. If a reasonable time passes (2-4 weeks) with no response, come back here and ask for help. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:59, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]


    Thank you, ONUnicorn. I am new to all of this! I did take a look at the "reliable sources" page, but if we aren't able to use our website, press releases, or news articles generated from press releases then how would be add information about an acquisition (for example). What would be a reliable source for that information?

    Emiliaanderson, for the uncontroversial fact that company A acquired company B on such and such a date, the company's own website would probably be adequate; but if one of the companies is notable in Wikipedia's sense (i.e., there is substantial indpendent material published about it), I would be surprised if an independent report of the acquisition cannot be found, eg in the financial press. If a non-independent source is used, then only the bare facts can be reported from it, and not (eg) anything about the purpose or goal of acquiring the company. --ColinFine (talk) 19:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    (Edit conflict: Basically, what ColinFine said.) :Emiliaanderson, take a look at the sources used in Attempted purchase of Time Warner Cable by Comcast, an article about a (failed) acquisition. They are mostly news articles, yes, but they primarily represent original reporting by news agencies instead of a rehash of press releases. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:33, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I took a look at articles rated as good by our WikiProject Finance and there's a few examples that hopefully steer you in the right direction. Check out articles such as The_Blackstone_Group, Chemical_Bank, JPMorgan Chase remembering that we're an encyclopaedia so that should guide you in considering what content is appropriate. Good luck, CaptRik (talk) 20:06, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks ONUnicorn and ColinFine, very helpful! We aren't a huge national bank, so most of the news stories about our acquisitions are pushed our via a press release and then picked up. But I will definitely look around. I would mostly like to add our Company History and a few other very factual pieces of information. Nothing about our products and services that could be taken as marketing material. I will submit some information for approval and see what happens!

    Mars symbol (♂) in editor attributes

    I've noticed this some time ago, but have pretty much ignored it up to now. Can anyone tell me what the Mars symbol (U+2642, ♂) is supposed to indicate when hovering over the Talk page link for another editor to see their edit count and other attributes? E.g.:

    ♂, reviewer, rollbacker, 8932 edits since: 2006-01-11, last edit on 2016-06-27

    The symbol appears for some, but not all, editors, and I've not been able to figure out its meaning. General Ization Talk 21:26, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @General Ization: That is the symbol for male. It would only appear if the editor has selected "He edits" in their preferences. It was added as part of an edit request for popups. The female symbol will also appear if the person has selected "She edits" in their preferences. --Majora (talk) 21:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    See Gender symbol. --Majora (talk) 21:29, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Uh, yes, I'm quite well aware that the Mars symbol has that meaning, but I wasn't aware that Wikipedia was identifying editors by gender, or how it might determine an editor's gender. I do see the Internationalization section in Preferences, and the question: "How do you prefer to be described? ( ) (When mentioning you, the software will use gender neutral words whenever possible) ( ) She edits wiki pages ( ) He edits wiki pages". Is this the source of the symbol? Also, I must say I've seen few if any Venus symbols (♀) in the same display, even for editors I have some reason to think are female. General Ization Talk 21:36, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, I think I was replying as you were typing your expanded reply. Thanks. General Ization Talk 21:38, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    It depends on whether or not the editor has taken the time to indicate their gender in their preferences. I didn't make a selection (nor do I plan to) and therefore neither symbol shows up in my popup. Frankly, I don't think the gender picker in the preferences has any other effect. At least not that I know of. Perhaps some templates make use of it but I'm not actually aware of one. It was a long standing request at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-popups.js and was fulfilled rather recently. --Majora (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I thought it was a fairly recent development. Like you, I think, I don't really have any interest in wearing my gender like a badge. I'm sure I responded to the question in Preferences some years back, not understanding or expecting it would have that effect. I'm actually surprised there was consensus to implement this feature. General Ization Talk 21:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia has a large majority of male editors, and female editors may also be less inclined to publish their gender. The preferences setting is public and is used by some templates made specifically for the purpose like {{He or she}}, but such templates are rarely used. There are other languages where the setting is used to determine whether the equivalent of "User:" in userspace should use a female form of the word but there is no such difference in English. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:56, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Makes sense; I can see the reason to ask editors the question, and how some templates might reasonably use it to achieve improved natural language, but the addition of the gender symbol in the editor attributes display I was referring to is apparently relatively new and, I think, surprising. General Ization Talk 22:01, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) Going down the rabbit hole of links. It looks like it was discussed in two places per this. The links in that post were archived, so after spelunking a little bit I found the originals. Here and here. I don't think there was anything else besides that and there certainly wasn't any discussion on the mediawiki talk page. Those pages don't get much traffic anyways and a discussion there would be rather pointless. --Majora (talk) 22:04, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Sandbox problem

    Hello - I created a record for [ John Allan (numismatist) ] in my sandbox. This has been reviewed and accepted. But there is something strange... my sandbox entry appears online ie User:Hkb/sandbox appears as a named person in the Category:Royal Numismatic Society Medallists I'm not sure why this has happened - please could you help? Thank you! Helen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hkb (talk • contribs) 21:48, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    You applied mainspace categories to the copy of the article residing in your Sandbox. I have disabled them, and your sandbox will no longer appear in those categories. General Ization Talk 21:52, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]


    June 28

    Unlocking A Protected Page

    Our company's page is locked and all the information is outdated. The user who locked the page is no longer with the company and has been for years. How do we unlocked the page or delete it so we can create a new fresh page?

    I am the promotions director for WZBH 93.5 the beach (radio station)and attempting to update the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:153:703:2A60:4972:E648:D62A:4162 (talk) 00:05, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    The page was locked by an admin, not by whoever worked for you, because of biographies on living people issues. It will not be unlocked and that is not the correct forum to request that anyways. You can request edits to the page by clicking on "view source" at the top and then the "submit an edit request button." Please note that all requests must be specific, in a "change x to y" format, and must be accompanied by a reliable source. --Majora (talk) 00:18, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    It is not your company's page: it is Wikipedia's article about your company. Wikipedia is concerned that it be accurate and up to date according to independent reliably-published information, but has very little interest in what the company says or wishes to say. You are welcome to suggest edits on the talk page (preferably backed up by reliable published sources), but you are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly. --ColinFine (talk) 10:01, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Jodie Dry

    Ref number 1 is all wrong. Please fix 144.139.149.95 (talk) 02:37, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref too many keys

    Hi -- In my proposed article for Wikipedia : Draft:Penny Thompson, I have cited the same article from the Miami Herald 3x and was trying to consolidate. This article is the obit for Penny Thompson and supports a number of different facts about her in my article.....have read Wikipedia several times about doing multiple citations from same source, but obviously, I am not doing it right.....My apologies....I am waving the white flag for help! The article is from Pg. B-1, September 23, 1975, Miami Herald, with headline: "Columnist's 'Good Wife,' Penny Thompson, Is Dead" 02:52, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Fleejoseph (talk) 03:08, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]



    Fleejoseph, I've fixed it here. Dismas|(talk) 03:15, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Jodie Dry

    Please see above concerns re the ONLY citation on this page. Thank you101.182.117.21 (talk) 04:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Resolved

    Eagleash (talk) 07:01, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    How to run something like-

    How to run something like- [3]--Aryan ( है?) 12:02, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    See Wikipedia:How to run an edit-a-thon. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    ISIN - International Securities Identification Number

    Hello,

    I've been in a rather frustrating editing "war" on this page over the "Controversy" section: I work for an organization that issues ISIN's and has direct knowledge of the case cited in that section. I have added notes explain why the Controversy section was misleading or incorrect, yet two IP addresses keep undoing my edits (although, it's worth noting, without any justification or citation for WHY the original text should stand). Not sure what the protocol is, but the parties behind the IP addresses continue to reinsert opinion over fact in what was a legal matter.

    Hope you can help stop the back and forth.

    Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbastian19 (talk • contribs) 12:18, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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