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Cheese05

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This may be a notable achievement, but the article is sourced almost entirely from the subject's own twitter and youtube postings. None of the sources provide independent, in-depth coverage. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:36, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Independent, in-depth coverage can be found at these sources: [1] Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:02, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:03, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Trinidad and Tobago-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:03, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The Engadget article doesn't provide in-depth coverage? It is an interview to be fair, though, there are plenty of other articles on the Internet. wumbolo ^^^ 19:31, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is not independent because it is an interview. In-depth coverage is not sufficient to indicate notability. --Izno (talk) 19:43, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is a feature article. It uses quotes but is very far from a simple, unedited interview. czar 04:48, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with your assessment after review. I'm not sure why Wumbolo called it an interview... I'm always amenable to a redirect, in this case to List of Super Mario speedrunning records#Super Mario 64 or similar. --Izno (talk) 17:23, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
None of the sources in the article indicate notability at this time. --Izno (talk) 19:43, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Do you like this source? [2] wumbolo ^^^ 20:13, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not really about Cheese. --Izno (talk) 21:26, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
How about this or this? The latter mentions Cheese 17 times. wumbolo ^^^ 21:53, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Have to agree with Izno here. So far, browsing over things, the article is currently written entirely to first party accounts on Youtube and social media, which is entirely inappropriate for a WP:BLP, and most things presented here are either interviews, and seem to stray away from the subject relatively quickly. There's also...very little to be said, outside of a couple sentences. Leaning towards deletion unless someone else presents something better... Sergecross73 msg me 18:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any detail that couldn't be covered in sufficient context at List of Super Mario speedrunning records#Super_Mario_64? czar 04:59, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, with some effort and googling, sources required could be added and changed to fit with the guidelines. QueerFilmNerd^talk 18:37, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Perhaps I'm out of touch with kids (where "kids" is anyone younger than me ie: born after the mid '70s) these days, but a search for sources just seems to show trivial mentions and while his sexuality is sourced to his own Twitter feed, is it really important to mention in this article? He's not exactly Matthew Smith. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:44, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ritchie333: Is this trivial? wumbolo ^^^ 11:05, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's a very specialised source - are there any mentions in national broadsheet newspapers or magazines, that aren't gaming specific? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:06, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If we excluded gaming sources for WP:BASIC, tons of these articles would be deleted. wumbolo ^^^ 11:12, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we should, then. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:20, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I agree that the Engadget article might, just barely, qualify as a notability reference. Detractions include the fact that it appears to be partially based on an interview, is more about the Speedrunning profession, with Cheese05 picked out as one exemplar, and is in what might be considered a niche publication. @Eastmain: I find it a bit surprising that you would post a Google search URL as evidence, with no further details. Generally, this discussion makes me wonder if some specialized notability guidelines should be developed to apply to these sorts of gaming professionals. I'm willing to be schooled on this, but it's my impression that "local coverage only" applies not just to geography but to topic matter. With no coverage in general interest publications, some other hurdle has to be overcome to establish notability. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:05, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's like saying that an article in Bloomberg News can't make a businessman notable. wumbolo ^^^ 16:19, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, indeed. There are all sorts of "routine" articles in the business press that we discount as not contributing to notability. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:56, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Routine coverage comes in many forms and should be closely searched for. wumbolo ^^^ 17:44, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe (talk) 18:27, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The current article looks awkward, but there are plenty of sources available on Cheese05. He's certainly one of the most prominent speedrunners. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 20:23, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and I never thought I'd be able to say this but, per Ritchie. The lack of meaningful, in depth coverage is astounding. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:20, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. There is a book titled Speedrunning: Interviews with the Quickest Gamers (ISBN 9781476670805) which includes a chapter about Cheese05. I don't know if it's independent enough for GNG, since the author interviewed Cheese05. wumbolo ^^^ 12:38, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]