Talk:Antiochus XII Dionysus

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Harvard error

Citation 86, citing "Downey 1938, pp. 112" has the following error message, "Harv error: link from CITEREFDowney1938 doesn't point to any citation." AmericanLemming (talk) 12:44, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Attar-Aram syria: I also just noticed this. Constantine ✍ 19:15, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That is wierd. I added the missing source. Cheers.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 20:37, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Changing of epithet order

@Attar-Aram syria: Because Antiochus XII's epithets are supposed to give honour to his grandfather Demetrius II, I find it most logical to have the epithet that pays his grandfather the most honour listed last. Векочел (talk) 11:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Векочел: Thanks for using the talk page. I want to discuss two points. First is related to Antiochus XII epithets. We have to follow the practice used by the specialists in the source [._Vesely_The_Silver_Mint_of_Damascus_under_Demetrius_III_and_Antiochus_XII_97_6_B.C.-83_2_B.C._AJN_20_2008_305-336 page 212]. They first list three epithets: epiphanes, philopator and callinicus. Then they explain them after listing them in their entirety. Those three epithets indicate the belonging to the demetrian line, not to honor demetrius ii in particular. Then come the epithet dionysus, which apparently does not belong to the group that highlight the demetrian line. It is therefore better to list them all, then explain the first group consisting of three epithets, then explain dionysus.

The second point which is more important: there are sets of rules and conventions that wikipedia editors adhere to. When it comes to featured articles, Im gonna copy two of those conventions:

1-Also, changes to articles on complex, controversial subjects with long histories or active sanctions, or to Featured Articles and Good Articles, should be done with extra care. In many cases, the text as you find it has come into being after long and arduous negotiations between Wikipedians of diverse backgrounds and points of view.link

2- While Featured articles (identified by a bronze star in the upper-right corner LinkFA-star.png) are open for editing like any other, they have gone through a community review process as Featured article candidates, where they are checked for high-quality sources, a thorough survey of the relevant literature, and compliance with the Featured Article criteria. Editors are asked to take particular care when editing a Featured article; it is considerate to discuss significant changes of text or images on the talk page first. link

In short, those featured articles about the late Seleucid kings are already copy edited. They were already checked and the texts judged suitable. If there are no grammatical errors, contradictions or unsourced material, then it is really not needed to change the wording. The texts have a community consensus, and they need to be stable, not copy edited constantly every week and reconstructed with no reason. This applies to Antiochus XII and the text you are trying to change. You practically re wrote the lead of Cleopatra Selene without any discussion. This is not good for a featured article. All Im asking is that you discuss big edits that are not a grammatical fixing, and that will lead to reconstructing of text or a total replacing of its wording. Im researching now to write Antiochus XIII, Philip II and Alexander II Zabinas. But I am afraid we will edit together while Im still in the process of writing which is not something any editor wish. I will ask you maybe to copy edit them before I take them to FAC in order for them to have a stable version once they are promoted--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 12:01, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]