Talk:WalkAway campaign

While the biographies of living persons policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately. If such material is re-inserted repeatedly, or if there are other concerns related to this policy, please see this noticeboard.

This article has not yet been rated on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Conservatism Start‑class Low‑importance

	Conservatism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Conservatism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of conservatism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ConservatismWikipedia:WikiProject ConservatismTemplate:WikiProject ConservatismConservatism
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Internet culture Start‑class Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Internet culture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of internet culture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Internet cultureWikipedia:WikiProject Internet cultureTemplate:WikiProject Internet cultureInternet culture

Start

This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Internet culture To-do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : View all requested internet culture articles
Expand : Pick an article from here or here
Photo : Category:Internet culture articles needing images
Stubs : All stubs are located here
Other : Category:Internet self-classification codes (!?); Try to get YouTube to FA; Tag all articles you find with {{WikiProject Internet culture}}
- See also Category:Internet culture articles needing attention

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

LGBTQ+ studies Start‑class

	LGBTQ portal This article is of interest to WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBTQ-related issues on Wikipedia. For more information, or to get involved, please visit the project page or contribute to the discussion.LGBTQ+ studiesWikipedia:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studiesTemplate:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studiesLGBTQ+ studies
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

New York City Start‑class Low‑importance

	New York City portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York City, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New York City-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York CityWikipedia:WikiProject New York CityTemplate:WikiProject New York CityNew York City
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Politics Start‑class Low‑importance

	Politics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

This article was nominated for deletion. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination:

Keep, 10 June 2019, see discussion.
Keep, 6 November 2018, see discussion.
Delete, 20 August 2018, see discussion.

Warning: active arbitration remedies

The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article:

You may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours on this article (except in limited circumstances)
You must follow the bold-revert-discuss cycle if your change is reverted. You may not reinstate your edit until you post a talk page message discussing your edit and have waited 24 hours from the time of this talk page message

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

Further information

Enforcement procedures:

Violations of any of these restrictions should be reported immediately to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard.
Editors who are aware of this topic being designated a contentious topic and who violate these restrictions may be sanctioned by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offense.

With respect to the WP:1RR restriction:

Edits made solely to enforce any clearly established consensus are exempt from all edit-warring restrictions.
Edits made which remove or otherwise change any material placed by clearly established consensus, without first obtaining consensus to do so, may be treated in the same manner as obvious vandalism.
In order to be considered "clearly established" the consensus must be proven by prior talk-page discussion.
Reverts of edits made by anonymous (IP) editors are exempt from the 1RR but are subject to the usual rules on edit warring. If you are in doubt, contact an administrator for assistance.
Whenever you are relying on one of these exemptions, you should refer to it in your edit summary and, if applicable, link to the discussion where consensus was clearly established.

The contentious topics procedure can be used against any editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process. Contentious topics sanctions can include blocks, topic-bans, or other restrictions.

If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it here on this talk page first. Remember: When in doubt, don't revert!

Should the article be deleted?

There's nothing notable about this "movement". Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:46, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How come you'd heard of it, then? Chi Sigma (talk) 17:18, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Because you added it to the 2018 election article. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:22, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at your edit history, and that's a lie. Chi Sigma (talk) 17:53, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I want to know why a rebuttal against walkaway has allowed an OPINION as to size and effectiveness of this movement. Walkaway is a movement, there are people who have walked away. Is Wikipedia about facts or opinions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.5.74.106 (talk) 01:09, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I definitely think its notable, should not be deleted. -- Eruditess (talk) 02:36, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"There's nothing notable about this "movement"" is an opinion and doesn't constitute ground for deletion. I landed on this page looking for objective information about #WalkAway. Removing it will create a situation when something that objectively exists is silenced on Wikipedia.Dmitri.zimine (talk) 02:00, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Walkaway campaign has 350,000 members on its Facebook page, thousands of Youtube hits, its been covered by NBC, Washington Times, Fox, CSPAN. It seems more than significant enough to at least warrant a Wikipedia page.Publius0024 (talk) 05:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Effect

To say that the DP's success in the midterms was an EFFECT of the WalkAway campaign is absurd. If this section should be here at all, it should be titled "Effectiveness." ANd even then, it's hard to say what the effect of the campaign actually was. Perhaps the Democrats would have taken even more seats were it not for the campaign, or not lost seats in the Senate.--2600:1700:9580:3FF0:7449:CA44:5462:9428 (talk) 21:17, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This article does seem very biased. From what I can see online this a genuine campaign sincerely representing many former Democrats rejecting its move to the far left. This article seems to be written with the sole purpose of minimising the movement. Anton Gramsci (talk) 15:16, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to minimize something with zero relevance. This was NOT a movement, ot was a failed GOP astroturf campaign involving maybe a few dozen people. No reason to promote it. At most, it deserves a subsection on another article. 46.97.170.78 (talk) 13:21, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Similar to Diversity Group if black pastors

Cohen corralled the southern preachers for Trump. The similarities might be noted. Wikipietime (talk) 20:40, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

External links

Official website

I suggest to add an item about the WalkAway campaign's official website. How about adding this draft paragraph near the bottom of the article? With reputable sources. If someone is wondering, no I am not affiliated with the WalkAway campaign. I'm a volunteer contributor to Wikipedia.

External links

Official website^[1]^[2]

Sources

^ "Just What Was Brandon Straka #WalkingAway From?". Gay City News. Gay City News. 2019-06-30. Archived from the original on 2019-08-12. Retrieved 2019-08-13. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
^ Goehner, Larry (2019-03-12). "Liberals, walk away | The Spokesman-Review". www.spokesman.com. The Spokesman-Review. Archived from the original on 2019-08-12. Retrieved 2019-08-13. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

Francewhoa (talk) 00:25, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please add this organization's and Brandon Straka's source of finances

It is vital when talking about political organizations or movements to show sources. The financial aspects tell show truth about these groups. Please add this information to legitimize this page. 101.108.125.133 (talk) 01:59, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should this article exist?

This was a subsection under Russian web brigades and that is all it should be. Nothing justifies giving this fake astroturfed "movement" it's own article. Especially now, that the subject matter lost all significance. 46.97.170.78 (talk) 13:18, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Russian-astroturfed" hypothesis is already reflected and referenced in the article. If some people honestly expressed their experience, removing their voices on the ground of Russian/other interference doesn't appear objective or reasonable. PS. Using anonymous Romanian IP 46.97.170.78 doesn't carry sense of neutrality.Dmitri.zimine (talk) 02:17, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is still relevant, even if based simply on posts on Twitter using the hashtag #WalkAway continuously Bytemaster (talk) 19:24, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should Wikipedia track Astroturf sites?

From the page About: " The #WalkAway Campaign is a true grassroots movement ... ".

Saw the same claim on the Tea Party site, when it first appeared. Could not find any grass or roots, then - not a single real human associated with the site. Did find in the site markup that it was prepared by a web outfit that did jobs for the Koch organization. (This is all unsubstantiated, as at the time I did not save evidence.) Tried poking around the names offered on the site, and also not finding real folk - then and now.

Are Astroturf sites notable? Yes, as they can have significant effect. As with other propaganda sites, proof beyond doubt is (of intent) not easy.

This is a tricky area for Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbannister (talk • contribs) 22:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of direct quote from Straka

This is about the inclusion of a direct quote from Straka clarifying that the $10,000 donation from Alex Jones and Info Wars was accepted and encouraged:

WalkAway received a $10,000 donation from Alex Jones and InfoWars.^[1]^[2]  When questioned about whether WalkAway accepted the $10,000 donation from Jones and his company, Straka replied, "Yes, we did! And we are so grateful to Alex and everyone else who has helped to contribute to the success of our campaign."^[3]

As Doug Weller points out, per WP:REDDIT, self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves.

Criticisms of this inclusion include:

i am pretty sure that using reddit comments as a source is not allowed

And

Reddit is not a source

As to avoid edit warring, I will refrain from editing this section until a consensus is reached here. My Wiki Alter Ego (talk) 19:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

^ Isaacs, Deanna (July 10, 2019). "A dramatic confrontation between the right-wing political group #WalkAway and Theater Wit ends up on YouTube". The Chicago Reader.
^ Fitzsimons, Tim (August 21, 2018). "Meet Brandon Straka, a gay former liberal encouraging others to #WalkAway from Democrats". NBC.
^ "Hi everyone, I'm Brandon Straka, founder of #WalkAway Campaign, a true grassroots movement..."

[1] "Just What Was Brandon Straka #WalkingAway From?". Gay City News. Gay City News. 2019-06-30. Archived from the original on 2019-08-12. Retrieved 2019-08-13. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

[2] Goehner, Larry (2019-03-12). "Liberals, walk away | The Spokesman-Review". www.spokesman.com. The Spokesman-Review. Archived from the original on 2019-08-12. Retrieved 2019-08-13. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

[3] Isaacs, Deanna (July 10, 2019). "A dramatic confrontation between the right-wing political group #WalkAway and Theater Wit ends up on YouTube". The Chicago Reader.

[4] Fitzsimons, Tim (August 21, 2018). "Meet Brandon Straka, a gay former liberal encouraging others to #WalkAway from Democrats". NBC.

[5] "Hi everyone, I'm Brandon Straka, founder of #WalkAway Campaign, a true grassroots movement..."

[1]

[2]

[1]

[2]

[3]