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Reference issues

Good morning, am a contributor from Zimbabwe and am having a problem. The issue here is in Zimbabwe, the sources available to prove a subject is notable are the ones that are reliable but then nomatter if I add them, my contributions are not recognised.

I think it is key to observe carefully what happens when it comes to Zimbabwean media references.

Two of my recent articles where moved to draft space due to issues to do with referencing I.e Mudiwa Hood but if you do a research online one can see that the subject is indeed notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zvandofarira2 (talk • contribs) 08:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

References

For an entry on a person, for whom a biography is included in the bibliography, should there also be one or more references to the biography in the text of the entry, or is it assumed that it applies to the whole entry ? Heagy1 (talk) 04:15, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Heagy1, you should ideally cite multiple sources. Also, sources should be cited inline, so it is easy to determine what text is sourced from what. Regards, Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Heagy1, that would depend on whether the person is living or historic. If the person is living (or recently deceased), WP:BLP will apply, and it requires inline citations. 174.254.192.112 (talk) 04:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Speedier New Article Approval Help

Hi Esteemed Editors. I have created a new page on a prominent businessman located here. I created the page before I became an auto confirmed user. Now the page is waiting for approval, which I understand can take four months or more. Is there any way to either speed up the approval process or create a new page as an auto confirmed user that will go live immediately (if I understand the process correctly)? FYI all of my citations are from independent news websites and I am a former professional journalist. I have also disclosed my COI. Thanks for any guidance you can provide. TennGal TennGal (talk) 20:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

TennGal. Hello. There is no way to speed up the process. You are now autoconfirmed, but I would advise against moving the article yourself, as I'm not sure the sources are appropriate. I don't see where you declared your COI. 331dot (talk) 20:31, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Dayakar Veerlapati is current version. Can also be days or weeks. Be patient. First time article creators are strongly advised to go through the AfC process. Moving your draft to mainspace without AfC means that it will run risk of new article reviewers either kicking it back to draft or nominating it to Articles for Deletion. David notMD (talk) 21:04, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Template:U331dotl Thanks for the kind and quick response. I tried again to post my COI. I'm not sure I did it correctly. I'm also not sure that I posted my original COI in the right place. I'm REALLY trying to do this right but it's so confusing. TennGal (talk) 21:12, 13 February 2021 (UTC)TennGalTennGal (talk) 21:12, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, TennGal. I looked at the sources in the draft, and couldn't find a single one that is independent of Veerlapati. (I didn't look at all of them, but the titles of the ones I didn't are not encouraging). Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. An article that is transparently based on an interview or press release does not meet these criteria. At present, in my view, the draft does not establish that Veerlapati is notable. If in fact he is not, then you are wasting your time (and ours). And like 331dot, I do not see anywhere where you have declared your COI. If you are in any way paid for writing this, then you are in breach of Wikipedia's terms of use if you don't make the required declaration. --ColinFine (talk) 21:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Either COI or PAID go on your User page. David notMD (talk) 21:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine. Thanks for this guidance. Respectfully, nine of the 16 sources that I cite for this article are from independent news sources such as the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Inc. magazine. Veerlapati has been featured in multiple independent news outlets over the past two decades. Wouldn't that make him rise to the level of prominence to be the subject of a Wikipedia page? TennGal (talk) 21:48, 13 February 2021 (UTC)TennGalTennGal (talk) 21:48, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

TennGal You posted a notice on the draft talk page, you should post one on your user page as well, User:TennGal, or at least a simple statement regarding your COI and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 21:54, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

331dot I have posted the COI on my User Page now. If you have a moment and can take a look to confirm I did it correctly, I'd be most appreciative. TennGal (talk) 21:57, 13 February 2021 (UTC)TennGal

That will work. Thanks 331dot (talk) 22:09, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, TennGal. I don't see a single reference from the St Louis Post-Dispatch. There are a couple from the St Louis Business Journal, and that may be a fine reliable independent journal for all I know, but the articles are not. 'Said Dayakar "Day" Veerlapati, president and chief executive' in the third paragraph means that the article is basically his words, not the reporter's. Not independent. --ColinFine (talk) 22:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

HeyColinFine STLToday.com is the website of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the major daily newspaper serving St. Louis, Missouri, so I can see why you didn't think there wasn't a reference to it. The newspaper and the St. Louis Business Journal are both independent newspapers that employ professional journalists, similar to the Guardian or the New York Times, which would certainly quote the subject of an article in the process of their reporting. Surely quotes in independent media aren't a basis for disqualifying citations from a major media outlet? Thanks again for taking the time to help. TennGal (talk) 23:04, 13 February 2021 (UTC)TennGalTennGal (talk) 23:04, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello again m, TennGal. Whne a newspaper quotes the subject, they are reproducing the subject's words, and this is a primary source, and does not contribute in any way to notability, which depends on independent commentary. --ColinFine (talk) 12:36, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

The draft starts: Dayakar "Day" Veerlapati (born July 25, 1958) is an Indian-American businessman and philanthropist. He is the founder, president and CEO of S2Tech, headquartered in Chesterfield, Missouri, and of S2Tech.com India Private Limited in Hyderabad, Telangana, India. I infer that his primary claim to fame is in connection with S2Tech; and as I continue reading the draft, my impression doesn't change. However, S2Tech doesn't have an article. If S2Tech isn't notable, it would be surprising if Veerlapati were nevertheless notable. If S2Tech is notable, then I would expect that somebody with no conflict of interest would want to create an article about it. -- Hoary (talk) 02:31, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Ernst Flügel

Hello everyone, not sure I'm at the right place for a question. I've just translated this page from German. Can someone please tell me if it's worth opening a procedure to raise this new article to the "Good article" status or I better forget the idea ? Also, I haven't the faintest idea about how to proceed. Thanks. LouisAlain (talk) 21:47, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

@LouisAlain: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for adding to it. There is lots of text in the references section which may be misplaced, and at least one broken ref tag error. After you fix that, you can look at the criteria at Wikipedia:Good_article_criteria for what else to improve to get the article to GA status. RudolfRed (talk) 22:25, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick answer. I didn't expect the page to be acccepted as it is but Wiki being a collaborative encyclopedia, I hoped some others would be glad to participe to the bettering of the page. Thanks again LouisAlain (talk) 07:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Account Connection

Help: I don't know how to merge my wikipedia accounts TicTawCentral and WaussusBeaver. help. WaussusBeaver (talk) 23:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

You can't. Merging accounts is not technically possible. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 23:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

But what you should do, WaussusBeaver, is to put a note on both User pages (replacing the fake article in User:WaussusBeaver and creating the non-existent User:TicTawCentral) to explain that both accounts belong to the same person. See the last sentenceo WP:SOCKLEGIT. --ColinFine (talk) 12:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Posting an edit to the Scrum Page

I'm trying new to making edits to Wikipedia content on the Scrum (Software Development) wikio page, but a Wikipedian who goes by NJD-DE deleted several of my attempts to edit the page: Scrum (Software Development)

I'm very frustrated by his/ her handling of this situation. I was simply posting that there are multiple variants of Scrum that support scaling Scrum concepts across large products teams and on an enterprise scale. Yes, I did initially try to list my book as a reference source - which is a scholarly work of 609 pages, and published by PACKT Publishing- a leading book publisher that specializes in books for IT specialists.

What's strange to me is that other Scrum advocates have their materials in this wikipage, and even make clarifying comments. Heck! I know and have communicated with most of the folks who are listed on the Scrum page - in collaboration as I wrote this book and several of my previous book projects.

But, even when I took my book out as a qualified reference source, NJD-DE still deleted my post that was simply commenting about modern Scrum scaling methodologies. Then, instead of giving me advice on how to better frame my edits, NJD-DE threatened to block me. He did mention you folks, so hopefully you can help me out.

Here's what I was trying to post. How can I make it acceptable?

Scaling Scrum

Over time, a number of Scrum scaling strategies have evolved to support implementation of Scrum-based agile practices in large product team organizations and also to support enterprise-wide business agility initiatives. Some scaling strategies deal strictly with large software development programs or projects requiring multiple development teams. Others incorporate systems thinking and lean development practices to implement business agility across all value creation and value delivery activities on an enterprise scale.

A shortlist of leading scaled Scrum and Lean-Agile practices include the following:

• Scrum-of-Scrums
• Scrum-At-Scale
• The Nexus Framework
• Large Scale Scrum (LeSS)
• Disciplined Agile (DA)
• Scaled Agile Framework® (SAFe®)

 2601:283:4103:DF30:C1ED:1A4E:52DF:310F (talk) 01:17, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

References

Hi IP editor, what's your question? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:51, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Tenryuu, above is what the IP was trying to post in an article; how can they make it acceptable? -- Hoary (talk) 02:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

The serial reverter is Njd-de, who may wish to comment. I can't comment much further, as (just considering the snippet above) I can't derive any meaning from "agile practices", "business agility initiatives", "systems thinking", "lean development practices", "value creation", or "value delivery activities". (I'm not saying that they have no meaning -- although this suspicion does occur to me -- just that they have none in my little cranium.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Hoary: Thanks; I may have glanced over it in my edits to restore the Teahouse from a misplaced ref tag.

IP editor (whom I assume to be Cgrupp55, as the aforementioned discussion seems to be on User talk:Cgrupp55), Njd-de appears to have taken issue with the reference provided, which links to Amazon. If it were cited differently, like with the book's ISBN, that might be a different story, but it's best to discuss on the article's talk page as part of the bold, revert, discuss cycle. The content added probably required a reliable source in Njd-de's eyes, and in the absence of one, they went and reverted it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

The serial reverters, if one wishes to call us that, were MrOllie and me. As I also tried to explain on the user's talkpage the nature of the edits looked clearly promotional:

First IP tries twice to add a book as reference/further reading material (Special:Diff/1006406156, Special:Diff/1006409403). This was reverted by MrOllie with edit summary Rm apparent refspam. Then an account was created, a new section added to the article and referenced with their own source. (Special:Diff/1006410518/1006427139). I reverted this as it looked promotional, and lacked a reliable and independent source. Despite edit summary (Using Wikipedia for advertising and/or promotion is not permitted.) and a talk page message, they attempted at adding the section again without any source (Special:Diff/1006429927). It got reverted by MrOllie (This isn't a place for you to promote). After that another attempt was made at adding the book as reference under Further reading (Special:Diff/1006439023). By now it had been clear that someone was trying everything possible to get their book into this article, so I reverted it (unclear what should be referenced here; oh and we're still not going to use WP to promote books). My talk page warning message then included a standard remark about our blocking policy regarding usage of Wikipedia as a soapbox.

If other book authors are using the Scrum article for promoting their work, then this should be acted upon. Just because other stuff exists is not an excuse for turning an article into an advertisement though.

@Cgrupp55:/IP: I suggest that you propose your edits on the article talk page, and let independent users decide whether the section is relevant, and if your book should be used as reference/added as further reading material. In the meantime I would recommend having a look at the not a soapbox policy and the conflict of interest guideline. – NJD-DE (talk) 11:09, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

About GA articles

Are you allowed to request that a article nominated for GA-status be reviewed? I do have a article I have nominated for GA status that I would like to be reviewed. AlabamaFan101 (talk) 03:17, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@AlabamaFan101: all articles that are nominated are "requested to be reviewed" - that's how nominations pass or fail. Unless you're referring to some other process.

Asking individual editors to review your GA isn't a common thing, though it's not in violation of any policy to do so. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 04:01, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Elliot321: Regarding my question, I was referring to asking individual editors to review it. Would it be a good idea to do so? —AlabamaFan101 (talk) 04:46, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@AlabamaFan101: Generally I would say no, unless you already have a decent relationship with the particular editor you'd ask. Given that there's a queue, asking others might be viewed as attempting to "jump the line". Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 04:47, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Not as a formal review, but you could see if there were editors who had made significant contributions to the article in the recent past - and are still active editors - and invite them to look at the article. David notMD (talk) 11:06, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Anna Morris Holstein

Again, thank you all for your previous responses and guidance. After recently posting some small contributions to a few pages, it became even more apparent that others with significantly more qualifications and experience are best to take on the task of creating the actual “new” pages relating to Anna Morris Holstein. (As well as editing / improving my recent layman attempts at edits to existing pages).

Hoping that the minor contributions made today to the existing 5 pages (Washington Memorial Chapel, Washington’s Valley Forge Headquarters, Valley Forge National Historical Park, Daughters of the American Revolution (D.A.R.) the Patriotic Order Sons of America (POS of A), may help offer some background on this incredible woman, while also generating some passion for others to lead the task of creating an actual high-quality Wikipedia page for Anna, as well as one for The Centennial and Memorial Association of Valley Forge.

Anna’s creative leadership, passion and dedication in efforts to save, preserve, restore General George Washington’s Valley Forge Headquarters, as well as the initial surrounding acreage that today is known as Valley Forge Park, seems far past due for Wikipedia recognition. In addition to her efforts saving Valley Forge HQ, she served over three years during the Civil War as Nurse / Matron-In-Chief, fund raiser, donor, from Gettysburg to Virginia etc… as founder and first regent of the Valley Forge Chapter of D.A.R., support and fund-raising with the Mount Vernon Ladies Association helping to save and preserve President Washington’s VA Home, Regent for Pennsylvania House at Chicago World’s Fair she also led many other large and small national, regional and community efforts.

Apologies for the rookie attempts at page edits, but hopefully this can at least help jump-start one of your incredible ongoing efforts you have previously led to educate and spread the word to help honor these tremendously deserving women. Hopefully links to the many various historians and historical societies / organizations that have factual data have been referred to correctly. In addition to the ones used today there are still dozens of other reputable sources that document details about her many contributions. Including the Library of Congress, The NPS, Historical Authors and contemporary journalists.

While prior to these initial raw additions I just made to existing pages made today there was no mention of Anna Holstein at all, anywhere on Wikipedia, hopefully as you provide your expertise people will be able to see as many of her great contributions as possible in the coming weeks, months, years…. Thank you again

Below are just some of the links to credible sources that were used today, dozens more exist:

Historian Lorett Treese - History of Valley Forge Park; Making and Remaking A National Symbol: https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/vafo/treese/treese2.htm Daughters of the American Revolution Magazine - Ceremony to Dedicate Prayer Desk at Washington Memorial Chapel to Anna: https://books.google.com/books?id=ZnwmAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=daughters+of+the+american+revolution+magazine+anna+holstein&source=bl&ots=6CusigPp2t&sig=ACfU3U2QHntFYHyKBuOAPBLC3rgty9ezTg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijnKnNmbHuAhUqFFkFHfiVAp4Q6AEwCXoECAkQAg#v=onepage&q=daughters%20of%20the%20american%20revolution%20magazine%20anna%20holstein&f=false Obituary: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31433481/obit-anna-morris-holstein-died-jan-2/ Hosting DAR and others at Valley Forge, as she was leading efforts trying to save it, Philadelphia Inquirer: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/11245388/patriots-visit-valley-forge-nov-18/ Philadelphia Inquirer Article, The Woman Who Saved the Shrine: http://www.kophistory.org/the-woman-who-saved-the-shrine/ One of the Books She Authored: Three Years In Field Hospitals In The Army of The Potomac - https://archive.org/details/threeyearsinfiel00hols Library of Congress: Minutes and History of The Centennial and Memorial Association of Valley Forge CBrookUM (talk) 03:45, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Instead of citing Amazon, you need to cite the book itself. Instead of citing newspapers.com, you need to cite the newspaper. Instead of citing archive.org, you need to cite the book. You can also give those URLs in your citations, but as an aid to the reader, not as the source itself. Maproom (talk) 08:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

CBrookUM Now that you are developing some expertise in adding text and references to existing articles, I recommend that you take on the project of creating an article about Anna Morris Holstein. A little thing: no space between punctuation and references. Good luck and Godspeed. David notMD (talk) 11:21, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

RCP

Hi, I was wondering if I could get back to RCP now. Firestar464 (talk) 04:08, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Firestar464. Can you explain what you mean? RCP here usually refers to recent changes patrol, which is entirely voluntary and something you can do anytime, without advanced permissions or rights.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:17, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Fuhghettaboutit I have previously been advised against said patrol, but want to get back to it. I'm now asking for the feedback of other editors before doing so, just to be safe. Firestar464 (talk) 06:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Firestar464 what were the reasons for being advised against said patrol? Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 06:50, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User talk:Firestar464 § I see you've been having a hard time on here lately.. --ColinFine (talk) 12:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

ColineFine, there is a bit more to the story. I'm glad I just happened to be browsing the Teahouse. Due to a rough start, Firestar464 was strongly advised by at least two administrators not to start RCP again. I initially did not want to mentor Firestar464 because I did not have the mental capacity to do so at the time. However, I am now feeling much better. I was wondering if Firestar could resume RCP, but I would check his reverts and comment if I find them objectionable. I could also tell him how to improve in the future if he makes a mistake. However, I would not recommend that he starts again until he gets approval from the administrators in question. @Valereee:, what do you think? I personally think it is a bit too soon, but if my solution works, I am fine with it. Scorpions13256 (talk) 19:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Scorpions13256, thanks for the ping. If you want to work on helping FS learn how to productively contribute in that area and feel you can help, I have no objection as long as you're checking everything and will continue to do so until we have further discussion. As always one of our main concerns is that when a newish editor gets accused of vandalism when their edits were good-faith but simply not necessarily a clear improvement, it can drive them away for good.

I think it might be a good idea to open a section on FS's page that notifies other editors that you're working to mentor FS on this (and link to this section), so that if someone has a concern they'll know to pull you into any discussion. I appreciate you stepping forward to help here! —valereee (talk) 21:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Excellent idea. However, I'm unsure of how to put a template at the top of his talk page. That is one thing I have yet to learn how to do. I'll do it as soon as possible. I do agree that WP:BITE drives away many new editors these days. I'm occasionally guilty of that myself. I will try to create the template as soon as possible. Scorpions13256 (talk) 21:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

The template is on his talk page. Scorpions13256 (talk) 21:31, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot guys. So what is the best course of action for me now? Firestar464 (talk) 04:48, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, I would recommend starting out reverting no more than 10 edits per day during RCP. That way I can assess your edits more thoroughly.

Tips I have:

1. Do not edit people's userspaces unless it is obvious vandalism or they specifically authorize you to do so. That includes that talk page to the humorous userbox you just visited.
2. If you are unsure what the best action to take is in a given situation, sometimes it is best to leave someone else to deal with it. If someone edits a page during RCP with an WP:UNDUE violation or any other unconstructive (but good faith) edit, do not revert it if you are unsure you are doing the right thing. As a matter of fact, do not do anything at all. Most articles have watchers who are experts on the subject that can make more accurate judgments than most people, including some administrators.
3. Do not report any users who have been editing longer than a couple of weeks to AIV or UAA (not counting IPs). You did this a couple of times, and the users were editing in good-faith. Odds are someone else would have reported them too if there actually were violations. I have only had to report one old account to AIV, and that was an LTA masquerading as an anti-vandal. Also, do not report anyone who has not vandalized within the past 12 hours.
4. Do not remove any content from articles unless the content is copyrighted, inaccurate, or is an unsourced defamatory claim directed towards a living person. Do not remove any WP:OR or WP:UNDUE violations at all. I do not think you have the experience just yet to make those calls.
5. You do not have to hit the undo button if you are unsure whether the edits you are examining are constructive.
6. Do not be afraid to message me on my talk page. Scorpions13256 (talk) 05:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

How can we spread wikiKindness?

It’s Valentine’s Day in the US, and I want to start my latest Tea House request with this:

Hi, I’m DrMel and I am profoundly, profoundly grateful that you, whomever is reading this at the Teahouse, have been putting in allllll the hours you have to help with these insane and beautiful wikiworlds we’re part of.

I’ve been working on wikiprojects since 2004, but we may have never yet connected. I’m happy to connect now. And very grateful for all your help with this work on the “sum of all human knowledge” stuff.

I / We have a bunch of ways we want to help make it easier to show appreciation.

It’s a maze of twisty passages all around here. Sometimes it’s hard to feel appreciated. This Heart-shaped Labyrinth is to say Thank YOU, Wikipedian, for all your hard work!!! from Me to YOU. I appreciate your work. I really do.

and my Teahouse request is: how do we make things like this easy to share and remix so people can spread some more wikiLove and wikikindness around here? Grateful for your help with possibilities. What makes #wikilove go viral?

What the world needs now is love, sweet wiki love it’s the only thing that there’s just too little of

DrMel (talk) 06:31, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Go to your Preferences, click the "Editing" tab, and then click "Enable showing appreciation for other users with the WikiLove tab". Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 11:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I see that you are aware of that. Apologies, I did not intend to editorsplain something you already know. In that case, I have no idea – I'm not sure what would be simpler than the current wikilove tab. --bonadea contributions talk 11:29, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

help with my first publishing!

hi, please help me to publich my 1st article? Thanks Delia Dykes (talk) 06:19, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Delia Dykes, what exactly would you like help with? To start an article, I'd recommend creating a draft by using the guide at Wikipedia:Articles for creation, then getting it published through the process listed there. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 06:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Delia Dykes, also it might helpful to have a look at WP:YFA. CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

help with my first publishing! (2)

FYI

 – Merged sections, refactored headings, and consolidated discussion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi I have created a page, but it is now appearing in WIKI search... Can you please help me? many thanks Delia Delia Dykes (talk) 07:13, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Delia Dykes looking at your contributions, I don't see your page, have you saved it? If so, can you link to it? Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 07:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

my page is here: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Delia_Dykes" ..... how do I save it? there is no SAVE button Delia Dykes (talk) 07:19, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Delia Dykes the "publish page" button should work once you've finished.

It looks like your page was originally deleted due to it looking like you were using Wikipedia as a web host. I can't see the page, so I don't know if this was accurate - but if you'd like to draft an article, I would recommend doing it either as a subpage of your userpage - like at User:Delia Dykes/article name or in the Draft namespace, like Draft:article name.

If you're planning on writing an article about yourself, please read the policy on it at Wikipedia:Autobiography first. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 07:22, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

help with my first publishing! (3)

FYI

 – Merging section with above. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:32, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

hi, so I have re-entered the page.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Article_name Delia Dykes (talk) 07:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

I can already tell that this will go nowhere. Article_name is not the actual name for the article, massive MOS issues, no WP:RS, a lot of WP:NPOV violations, and I can see signs of Wikipedia:Copyright violations and copy-pasting (see here) and a ton of other issues I'm sure other editors can point out. WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 07:32, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

To be clear: it is impossible that what you have created as that draft can become a Wikipedia article. It has been nominated for Speedy deletion. Very soon, it will be deleted, along with any history that it existed. David notMD (talk) 11:24, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Delia Dykes: welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I think it is a great pity that so many people come to Wikipedia with the laudable ambition of creating an article, and appear to think that, because it is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, they can start straight in on doing so. I think this is a bit like somebody who hears a violin concerto and wants to play it, buys a violin, and starts trying to play this master-work: it doesn't work, and it often leads to frustration and disappointment. The analogy is perhaps a bit exaggerated, but not that much: creating a Wikipedia article today is much harder than it looks (and also much harder than it was in the early days, which is why we have tens of thousands of really terrible articles, many of which should be deleted: we have higher standards now). I urge you, for your own satisfaction as well as for the benefit of Wikipedia, to put your wish to create an article aside for the moment, and learn the craft of editing Wikipedia - and its criteria for notability, neutrality, and all the other policies - by spending some weeks or months improving some of our six million existing articles before you look at your first article and return to it. If you're not sure where to find articles to work on, you can have a look at Community Portal, or find a WikiProject that interests you, or just pick Random article until you find something interesting. --ColinFine (talk) 13:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Peer review category

I'm just curious but which category for peer review would a American football player like Marlon Humphrey be in? AlabamaFan101 (talk) 07:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Even before your edits this was far better than Start class. I upgraded to B-class. David notMD (talk) 11:30, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Just nominated the article for GA-status, User:David notMD. —AlabamaFan101 (talk) 18:08, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Deleted Page

Hi, I created a page back in 2010 and have made occasional edits since. Last night I went to make an edit and noticed it has completely disappeared! Can anybody advise why and how to recover it? It is about the British actor James Merry. Thanks. Frankcable (talk) 08:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Frankcable Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. James Merry (actor) was deleted a few weeks ago per the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Merry (actor), a deletion discussion. 331dot (talk) 08:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, can you advise how I can appeal and reinstate the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankcable (talk • contribs) 08:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Frankcable Please review, if you haven't already, the deletion discussion and reasons for the deletion. If you have new or previously unmentioned information to consider that addresses the reason for the deletion, you may offer it at Deletion Review- but you may not use Deletion Review if you merely disagree with the outcome of the discussion. It seems that the article was deleted due to Merry not meeting the Wikipedia definition of a notable actor, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 08:32, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Foreign Language Links on English Wikipedia

I'd like to translate some pages into English-- should I try to find English language versions for the links/citations, or is it okay to re-link the same ones? Thank you! CharlieCandide (talk) 09:13, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

CharlieCandide, welcome to the Teahouse - please have a look at Wikipedia:Translate us and Wikipedia:Translation, there you will find anything you need to know about how to translate. CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:54, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Would like to Update Evangelos Frudakis Draft Article

I began an article on Evangelos Frudakis and would like to complete it. It accidently got published while I was still working on it and the editors did not like it. I understand this as it was not complete. However, I think the article could still have value (if completed correctly) and I have additional research and resources. The artist is dead but is known for his sculptures in national parks and buildings. He is respected for his work, national and international awards, inclusion in art registries such as at the Smithsonian Art Museum, and education of other noted sculptors. When working on the article, I contacted the family to see if they had photos that could be used, and they said "yes." They mailed me a small check but I returned it to them as I do not want to have a conflict of interest. The editors said that I had to claim that I worked for him or I would be permanently banned from Wikipedia. So I claimed that I received a check and returned it. I have not worked for him ever, nor been paid by him, and he is dead. How do I clear this up? How can I complete the article and submit it? Is there someone I can work with to be certain I do everything correctly? Should I try to contact the sculptor's family and have them write to Wikipedia? They would like to contribute some photos and do not understand why you are claiming I worked for the sculptor. I think the confusion is that I did work for a sculptor by the name of Zenos Frudakis and have claimed that. I wonder if the editors are getting the two people confused. They are not the same artists. There are a number of sculptors with the last name of Frudakis. Please advise as I am trying to do the right thing. Thanks so much! Cher Skoubo (talk) 10:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Draft:EvAngelos Frudakis exists, and as you have properly declared COI (not paid) on your User page, you are permitted to work directly on the draft. Be as complete as possible befoer submitting to AfC, because once accepted as an article, the advice to COI editors is to limit further action to requesting changes on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 11:38, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Cher Skoubo: Consider shortening that list and changing title to Selection of portrait busts. Each monument and bust needs a ref. David notMD (talk) 18:45, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

David notMD: Thank you for your advice. I will return to the draft for further editing. Thanks! Cher Skoubo (talk) 20:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Excuse me

excuse me i was just using sarcasm as it calm the user at religion talk page i used a inverted quesauion mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.90.50 (talk) 11:11, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Your edits reverted and you got a level 1 warning. David notMD (talk) 11:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Name change and disambiguation

Hannah Elsy is a retired British rower, now a sports sponsorship consultant with the surname Burkitt (from Hannah Burkitt (née Elsy) in LinkedIn).

Hannah Elsy (Producer) is a theatrical producer based in London and active since 2014. I recently created the Hannah Elsy (Producer) page, and I have added notes at the top of each 'Hannah Elsy' page to link to the other.

The Hannah Elsy rower page is sparse and marked 'This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification ...'. There is no page for Hannah Burkitt.

Google searches for 'Hannah Elsy' currently mix bio details for Hannah Elsy (the rower) with photos of Hannah Elsy (the producer) and social media links for Hannah Elsy (the producer) in the knowledge panel at the top of search results.

The current situation - the pages for Hannah Elsy and Hannah Elsy (Producer) have links to each other - works to a point but as the rower page looks moribund and the rower is now active with a different name, is there a better way forward? If so, what?

If I were to move the rower Hannah Elsy to a new page, what would the best new name be? Hannah Burkitt? With birth_name=Elsy added in an infobox? (I would contact Hannah Burkitt first. I just want to be confident in what I suggest.)

If a move like that went ahead, would the original address https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Elsy have to auto-redirect to the new page, or could it become a disambiguation page? Or could Hannah Elsy (Producer) be moved to it (as she is the only 'active' Hannah Elsy)?

I know I have asked several questions. Thanks for your patience, and thanks in advance for any advice. Grantem2000 (talk) 12:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Grantem2000. I'd honestly leave them where they are. The rower appears better known by her maiden name, and is arguably the primary topic compared to the producer, whose notability is debatable at best. Regards, Zindor (talk) 14:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Zindor: Many thanks. In the meantime the page for the producer has been moved back to draft. Should it be published again I will follow your advice and just leave the 2 pages with links to each other. Regards, Grantem2000 (talk) 17:15, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Given that Draft:Hannah_Elsy_(Producer) is draft, will be draft for some time, and may never be published, what options are there to clarify that Hannah Elsy, who retired from rowing in 2008, is not Hannah Elsy, the active theatrical producer? What would be allowable on the page for Hannah Elsy the rower to cover this? Regards, Grantem2000 (talk) 11:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

You could add the WP:HATNOTE template {{About}} or {{Distinguish}} to the top of the article if you believe there's a real concern that some readers might mix the two Elsy's up. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:52, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Editing page Henk Borgdorff

Hi,

I have edited my page Henk Borgdorff, following the instructions I received: adding a statement of CoI, and adding references to external resources: ORCID-iD and Google Scholar. Do I now answer the objects made to my draft page: Henk Borgdorff ?

Kind regards, Henk Borgdorff Henk Borgdorff (talk) 12:57, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Henk Borgdorff Declined twice in one day. Still no references. Listing articles and books written by Borgdorff does not count as references ABOUT Borgdorff. Putting stuff in External links does not count at references. Do not resubmit until you understand reference requirements and methods for creating same. COI statement belongs on your User page ("I wrote Draft:Henk Borgdorff about myself.") David notMD (talk) 18:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Sensitivity to Aboriginal people in new article

 Courtesy link: Draft:Caroline Le Souef

Hi there - I am writing an article about a lady's grave I found at the cemetery today - an artist that depicted Australian Aboriginal life in the nineteenth century. While it doesn't look like her role was particularly controversial, I wondered if there are protocols about writing articles around this sort of subject? For example her use of terms that are not appropriate now etc. Thank you Very neant (talk) 13:10, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Shalev Alon

Hello I will be happy to know ahy my article about Shalev Alon was declined Thank you very much! S.A Mixing (talk) 13:34, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

S.A. Mixing Hello. You asked this at the AFC help desk; please only use one method of seeking assistance to avoid duplication of effort. 331dot (talk) 13:37, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Moving Draft to mainspace where there is a redirect

Not sure what to do here. I've made Draft:Feiseen and it seems okay to move to mainspace at the moment (although it could still be improved) however there is a redirect currently at Feiseen. How would I move this? I don't think WP:RM is the correct place to ask this? FozzieHey (talk) 13:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Edit the redirect page and place your text there. - Abdul Muhsy talk 14:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, FozzieHey, you'll find the answer at WP:MOR and WP:UPT. Whatever you do, don't copy-paste it. Zindor (talk) 14:21, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Zindor: This doesn't seem to have any information about moving a Draft into mainspace where there is a redirect. WP:RM specifically says you shouldn't use it for "Moves from draft namespace or user space" too. FozzieHey (talk) 14:27, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Zindor: What is the specific problem with copy-pasting the content? Thanks- Abdul Muhsy talk 14:30, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Abdul Muhsy: Replacing content will not move page histories or the talk page. Yes, you could then copy the talk page in and request a merge of histories but surely there's an easier way to achieve this? FozzieHey (talk) 14:34, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Zindor:The concerned article is currently a draft, of which there obviously there is only editor till now. So I don't see the problem regarding page history. The easiest way is to simply edit Feiseen and replace #REDIRECT Water speed record with the text in the draft.- Abdul Muhsy talk 14:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

While technically you're right Abdul Muhsy, recommending copy-paste to users at the Teahouse isn't a good idea. They could later apply the same method to a different draft, or an article, and it causes problems. Or another user with a similar question reads the responses here and thinks that copy-paste is a good idea.

FozzieHey, I can't see a problem with you moving your draft. Id have done it for you but I'm not versed on notability of water vessels, so couldn't back up my decision. Regards, Zindor (talk) 15:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Zindor: That's fine, I've requested it at WP:RM for now, if that's not the right place to ask then hopefully they can direct me to the correct place! FozzieHey (talk) 15:56, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

How to upload photo

The photo at the top right of the entry on Pietro Aretino states that it is Titian's first portrait of Aretino. In fact, it is not by Titian and it is not of Aretino. How do I replace it with the correct photo? Maurice Magnus (talk) 14:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Actually, instead of telling me how to do it, would someone else do it? The correct photo is at the top of the article linked to in note 9 of the Pietro Aretino entry.

It says otherwise here. Whatever be the truth, at any rate, I suggest that you raise your concern at the article's talk page. - Abdul Muhsy talk 14:19, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you; I will. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maurice Magnus (talk • contribs) 14:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Guideline for how long to let a Talk page proposal/!vote run?

Hi. Is there any guideline or essay for how long to let a Talk page proposal/!vote run? Thought I'd seen that somewhere before, but not finding it in several searches today. For example, I don't see it here: Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Cheers. N2e (talk) 14:57, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

I am prospectively here.

I’ve been up for a very long time. I need to go to sleep. I would be interested in discussing things in this environment. BiliousBob (talk) 15:03, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi BiliousBob. Wikipedia is not really a discussion forum, but you are welcome to ask questions about Wikipedia here or suggest improvements to articles on the article talk pages.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:25, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@BiliousBob: Another place for discussions is Wikipedia:IRC. GoingBatty (talk) 19:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

General Collective Intelligence

I'm reaching out to get feedback on the draft of a new page for "General Collective Intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:General_Collective_Intelligence

An editor who reviewed the draft said that the page on "General Collective Intelligence" should be merged into the page on "Collective Intelligence". I disagreed, stating that General Collective Intelligence (GCI) as a platform is to Artificial General Intelligence what Collective Intelligence is to Artificial Intelligence. In other words GCI describes a technology with "general problem-solving ability". While groups might have some innate general problem-solving ability described by a general collective intelligence factor (c), any collective intelligence solution used as a decision-making platform by groups has narrow problem-solving ability where it is not able to address any problem in general. My argument is that if the analogy between AGI and GCI is valid, then if AGI and AI have separate wikipedia pages, GCI and CI should have separate wikipedia pages as well. The editor requested that I get consensus from editors of the Collective Intelligence page. I reached out to a number of editors but the only response I got was from an editor who said they didn't know anything about the subject and only edited the page for grammar. I'm looking for next steps. CognitiveMMA (talk) 15:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

You should post your concern on the Collective Intelligence talk page. Further, in case no one responds there, or there is an insufficient discussion, you could request a comment from the general wikipedia community using WP:RFC. - Abdul Muhsy talk 15:27, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Being unintentionally logged out

Hi, I don't know if anyone else has been having this issue, but the past two days when a sign into Wikipedia, and then I hit backspace to an article I was reading before I signed in, I am automatically signed out. It's never happened to me before and I don't know if it is something with the settings on my computer or something along those lines. I have recently been editing both on my phone and my computer, which may have some role to play. Thank you in advance! Inter&anthro (talk) 16:36, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Inter&anthro. Normally if you hit the back button you will see the page as it was when you last looked at it. It will not be updated with your login unless you refresh the page, eg by hitting f5. Hope this helps.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

More Facilities in Wikipedia

Can't you guys do some thing about the reading list? I think it will be better if the reading lists have the update of making another co- reading list in a reading list.Can you guys updae wikipedia with this facilities????????? 103.124.52.4 (talk) 16:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Could you please explain what you mean by "the reading list"? GoingBatty (talk) 20:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

GoingBatty, I'm going to assume that the IP editor means the reading lists that the mobile Wikipedia app offers, which I know almost nothing about. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:02, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Thanks! The IP poster could go to List of Wikipedia mobile applications to determine the correct place to post their suggestion. GoingBatty (talk) 20:15, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

This is a page for help with using and editing Wikipedia: hardly anybody here has anything at all to do with developing the software, so no "you guys" can't do anything about that. The general place to ask about the software is the technical section of the Village Pump it has been asked there several times, such as WP:Village pump (technical)/Archive 161#Add Reading List to the Desktop, which in turn contains links to where it has been discussed in the Mediawiki software wiki, and to a related feature request for the software. --ColinFine (talk) 23:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Adding an interactive map

Hi Teahouse. I'd like to add an interactive map to an article, like the one in the infobox of the Manhattan article. Can someone offer some pointers or direct me to a how-to? Many thanks! Kdorse (talk) 16:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kdorse: The map in the Manhattan infobox uses Template:Maplink and (I believe) an OpenStreetMap polygon, but I'm not familiar with the procedure for creating such a map. If no one helps you here, you can probably find assistance from someone at Module talk:Mapframe or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates. Deor (talk) 17:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

In this case its linked through Wikidata (i am not an expert on this, i was intrigued by your question and tried to figure it out): The Manhattan article corresponds to this Wikidata Item and the OSM polygon of Manhattan has a Wikidata-tag with that items ID (Q11299 - see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:OpenStreetMap how thats supposed to work). With this setup creating the map in the article is done by just adding {{Maplink|type=shape}} to the article. But I guess it really depends what map you want to add and how much data is already there. If you want to create a custom map, it's probably much more involved. --Smurftrooper (talk) 20:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@Smurftrooper: Thank you! I'm understanding this better and feel like I might be getting there. Fortunately, someone has already created the OpenStreet map I need. It is here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4227581#map=10/46.1760/-83.8683. It's listed as OpenStreetMap relation ID 4227581 in wikidata item Q6638058. I just don't know how to make the connections to have it show up on the related wikipedia article. Kdorse (talk) 13:37, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kdorse: Ok, great, so i guess all the connections are already there. You now only have to insert the template in St. Joseph Island (Ontario). I don't know how you want to present the map, but if you just add for example {{Maplink|frame=yes|plain=yes|frame-width=325|frame-height=250|frame-align=center|type=shape|fill=#ffffff|fill-opacity=0|stroke-width=3}} to the article, it will display the map. You may want to have a look at the Manhattan source how they have done it within the infobox (search for "image_map") there. Also have a look at the documentation of the template if you want to tune the optics. Cheers --Smurftrooper sup? 17:16, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Well, i just saw you already tried to insert the map in the infobox. I do not know whats going on there, maybe the infobox on that page works different than the one on Manhattan? It has something to do with it, because once you insert the Maplink-Template in the article body, it works. Not even sure about that anymore. Don't know, sorry :( --Smurftrooper sup? 17:43, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, in preview it works, but not once you publish it. This feels like a bug, probably best to ask someone at Module talk:Mapframe. Again, sorry --Smurftrooper sup? 18:14, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Current events

Yes, I was just wondering why does Wikipedia's highly detailed day by day current events portal only go back to July 1994? 47.150.227.254 (talk) 17:30, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Because no one has created older pages yet. Maybe that's an area where you would like to contribute. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia was founded in 2001 so 1994 was never actually current events here, and it isn't that detailed. Compare for example July 1994 to July 2020. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm drafting my first article in User:Paranoid Numanoid:sandbox:Rev Charles Swainson, M.A.

• Link: User:Paranoid Numanoid/sandbox/Rev. Charles Swainson, M.A.

Any guidance or comments please? I'm trying to demonstrate how notable his work and legacy are, and I'm linking all quotes and statements to good books (reliable verifiable sources) and I hope I'm doing an ok job so far!! How is it looking to your trained eyes? I'm only halfway through editing my first draft but there are one or two things I will need to ask about later...any feedback welcome. Paranoid Numanoid (talk) 21:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC) Paranoid Numanoid (talk) 21:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Delete the Parents section and other stuff that is not about him. David notMD (talk) 22:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Agree with the above, but well done. It is already better than some articles already on wikipedia! --Bduke (talk) 22:53, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, agreed. More:

• The title of the eventual article should skip the "Rev" and the "M.A." and instead be "Charles Swainson (X)", where X is whichever seems most suitable among "naturalist", "ornithologist", "rector", or whatever. (Labelling him as one among these does not imply that he's not additionally one or more among the others; for example, Akira Toriyama (ophthalmologist) is about somebody with some notability as a photographer.)
• Book titles go in italics; don't additionally put them in quotation marks.
• There's no reason to put "LONDON" etc in full capitals.
• Far more importantly than any of the above, you're going to have to be more careful in referencing. Here's an example: His original and compendious research formed the foundation of several subsequent major works of ornithological literature, including William B. Lockwood's "Oxford Dictionary of British Bird Names"^[5] and Harry Kirke Swann's "A Dictionary of English and Folk-Names of British Birds; with their History, Meaning and First Usage, and the Folk-Lore, Weather-Lore, Legends Etc Relating to the More Familiar Species".^[6] This makes three major claims: (i) that his research was original and compendious, (ii) that it was the foundation of Lockwood's Oxford Dictionary of British Bird Names, and (iii) that it was the foundation of Swann's A Dictionary of English and Folk-Names of British Birds. The sentence has what at first appear to be two references, but it's not clear that either backs up what the sentence says; rather, they seem merely to provide bibliographical information (thus making the cumbersome subtitle of Swann's book more obviously unnecessary in the main text). Now, it could be that Lockwood, Swann or both say that Swainson's work was original and compendious, or that their own works were largely based on his; but if they do, you should make this clearer (by pointing to the precise page number(s), by quoting, etc).

-- Hoary (talk) 00:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC) edited Hoary (talk) 07:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Paranoid Numanoid: Except for the lead, the other sections do not have any references. Please make sure each piece of information has a reference. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:58, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Wow - guys - thank you for the rapid and constructive feedback, it's exactly what I was looking for. Now motivated to work hard and integrate my new learnings!! Paranoid Numanoid (talk) 23:30, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I've worked up some key parts of the lead paragraph, especially the "three claims" which of course was unconsciously done on my part! and that's why we need editors and critics - and I was delighted to find that both of the dictionaries which followed Swainson in fact did rely on him to a greater extent that even I had first realised. Maybe I've made too much of this, I will of course look into this more deeply. I know the rest of the article is not anyhwere near as "finished" as the first part, but that's just the way I'm working at the moment, sorry. Any further comments gladly received. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paranoid Numanoid (talk • contribs) 01:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC) Should've signed my last comment Paranoid Numanoid (talk) 17:53, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

This IP user is claming to be Sanford M. Jacoby

I found this IP User https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/70.93.156.228 removing stuff from the Sanford M. Jacoby article without stating why in the Edit Summary. I left a alert on there talk page, and they told me that they were Sanford M. Jacoby. I think It's a lie. Are they liying or they are actually Sandord M. Jacoby? JennilyW (talk) 23:31, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@JennilyW: Reverted and warned about COI editing. If they continue in the same vein, this is bog-standard persistent unsourced editing and you can keep warning them and then report at AIV. There's something somewhere about impersonation, but I think that relates to account names not IP editing, so can't be bothered to start looking for it now. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:42, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@JennilyW: It generally doesn't matter who they are. If they are removing material that should not be removed, it's treated the same way – WP:BRD, report edit-warring, etc. Policy is designed to reflect the fact that we don't generally have a way, as regular editors, of verifying identities. Besides, if anything, being the subject of an article means they should not edit it directly anyway (they should post an {{Edit request}} on the talk page). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Can I Please Create A Page To Editing It

 ShakeZula2000 (talk) 23:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@ShakeZula2000: You should be able to create User:ShakeZula200/sandbox (I've created it for you just in case). Alternatively, you can try WP:SANDBOX. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:37, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Proposed new article

Hi - I want to improve and increase the number of articles on cat health on Wikipedia - I want to write a piece on Feline Urethral Obstruction. Does it have to be fully referenced before I submit it or can I submit it as a stub and continue to improve it while it is live? AlbusHaversham (talk) 23:53, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@AlbusHaversham: For your first article, you're better off following the process at WP:AFC. If you do no want to go through that process, you should have at least a few references that substantiate your subject, per WP:V. Since you're interested in cat health, I'd also recommend seeking guidance (once you have completed a reasonable draft) from the editors at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cats and Wikipedia:WikiProject Veterinary medicine. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:05, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

userpage

how do i format my userpage correctly so it looks cool and i dont look like a noob Skunkiix (talk) 00:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Skunkiix: Generally, it's best to wait until you get some experience editing articles and become familiar with Wikicode before trying to build your user page. You can always look at the code of other editors' pages that you like by editing them (don't save any changes). Keep in mind that user pages are totally optional – some editors have been here a long time and are quite active but have little or no content on their user pages. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Skunkiix, welcome to the Teahouse. In my experience, the best and most efficient way of learning Wikipedia is to watch other people. That's true in every aspect – learning syntax, style, etiquette, local norms, is all best done by seeing what other people do, deciding what you want to emulate, and then adapting it to your own goals and specialities. Perhaps you could look at the talkpages of a few articles you're interested in, see who's commenting that looks experienced and worth listening to, take a look at their userpages and see what that prompts you to change about your own.

Userpages aren't important in the big picture – we're really here to build the articles not talk about ourselves – but I guess they make a difference in that how people interact with you is partly determined by what they think of you, and that's partly determined by how you present yourself on your userpage. Capitalising the first letters of sentences and the pronoun 'I' would be a good start. Describing yourself as a 'conlang hoe' will split people three ways: some will see it as vulgar, some will see it as charming and irreverant, some will think "hang on, shouldn't that be 'ho'? Isn't a 'hoe' a garden implement? Wait, if it's short for 'whore' does it need an apostrophe? Let me look this up, just a second". It's entirely up to you, but you might choose to save them the trouble by rephrasing.

Generally, my advice is to keep it quite straightforward and not aim for glitz or wow; what you write in articles and say in discussions will make a vastly bigger difference than your userpage. I hope this helps › Mortee _talk 01:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Skunkiix: A little thing: The Asian Dragons box is slightly taller than the others, so it causes a gap in your list of Userboxes. Move it and any other tall ones to the bottom of your list. David notMD (talk) 03:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Fordham Ram Football players

The name of Nathanial Pierce should be added to your site. Nat played on the same team as Vince Lombardi as one of the seven blocks of granite. I knew Nat Pierce and I am dismayed to see his name missing 2600:8802:1400:830:8D2F:A0A3:7A15:2E4 (talk) 00:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! You can suggest improvements for an article on the article's talk page, such as Talk:Fordham Rams football. Be sure you include a reference to an independent reliable source with your suggestion. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP 2600:8802:1400:830:8D2F:A0A3:7A15:2E4. I'm assuming you're asking about Fordham Rams football#Notable players. Is that correct? If not, perhaps you can provide the name of the article you want Pierce's name added to. Since there doesn't appear to be a Wikipedia article written about a Nathanial Pierce, you're going to need to cite some reliable source that verifies that Pierce played football for the Rams. If you fnd such a source, you can be WP:BOLD and add the information yourself as explained here. If you're not sure how to do, you can propose that the name be added by posting about it the relevant article's talk page; someone else can then assess whether his name should be added to the list. For what it's worth, there is a Natty Pierce mentioned by name in Seven Blocks of Granite. Perhaps that's the same "Nathaniel Pierce" you're referring to? -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:04, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi again IP 2600:8802:1400:830:8D2F:A0A3:7A15:2E4. I've gone ahead and started a discussion about this at Talk:Fordham Rams football#Nat Pierce; so, feel free to comment there is you like. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Can you add pages related to Baggie? (A Different one, to say the least.)

Can you add pages related to Baggie? (A Different one, to say the least.) Now, If you don't know who Baggie is, I don't blame you, it's obscure, and guess what? I actually made the character! I'm known formally as "SonicFan2016YT" And if you You Need anything to learn about the character(s), Look at this wiki I made: https://baggie.fandom.com/wiki/Baggie_Da_Wiki See you soon!

Best Regards, chilldeud. Chilldued (talk) 00:24, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Chilldued: Only if independent, reliable sources have given significant coverage. For instance, if a few reputable gaming publications like those listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources had discussed it at length, it would likely be notable. Note that blogs and wikis aren't sufficient for this, nor are brief mentions. However, even if it is notable, as the creator you would have a conflict of interest and thus be strongly discouraged from writing about it yourself.

If Baggie doesn't yet meet those criteria, then by all means keep developing the character and talking about it, but it's not ready for Wikipedia. Vahurzpu (talk) 00:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Very broad questions about Wikipedia and about your experience as Wikipedians.

Hello Wikipedians,

I'm gathering information for a school assignment. It would be tremendously helpful as many of you as possible would answer some or all of the following questions.

Your role

• What exactly do you do (most specific user group)?
• How long have you been an editor/admin/user of Wikipedia?
• How active are you in that capacity?
• Do you consider this your primary occupation or only a hobby (regardless of pay)?

Your thoughts

• What do you think of Wikipedia as a project?
• What do you see in the future for the site?
• How might the subjects covered by Wikipedia be expanded?

Your experience

• What have you seen, do you have any stories?
• How big a problem is vandalism?
• How easily is vandalism dealt with?

Please direct your answers to User:Timbktoo/Survey thank you! -Timothy Baker Timbktoo (talk) 01:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Timbktoo: I took the liberty of fixing your bullet points for easier readability. Per Wikipedia:About, "Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous volunteers who write without pay." You might also be interested in Wikipedia:Books (compiling articles, which may be similar to your idea about "courses") and Wikipedia:Vandalism. GoingBatty (talk) 01:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Timbktoo, you're right, there are some very broad questions here! I wonder if there's a better place to collate the answers than directly at the Teahouse, since it could get very long. Perhaps you could make a sub-page of your userpage (User:Timbktoo/Survey, maybe) and ask for people to respond there? If there's one question you're particularly interested in, that might also help to get more people replying. Wikipedia is big and complicated, so it might be difficult for people to answer such a comprehensive set of questions in anything shorter than a small book! All the best with your assignment › Mortee _talk 01:21, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Timbktoo: Do you know if your instructor is going thru WP:School and university projects for this course? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 05:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Jéské Couriano: I don't believe that they are, I chose Wikipedia as a topic.Timbktoo (talk) 05:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Mortee: I've done as you suggested and created a page for responses. Any responses should go there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timbktoo (talk • contribs) 06:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

How to be the owner of a Software that is not yet developed? And how to be the developer of that software?

And I'm a programmer I'm busy working with the Tox Protocol, So Please I need your assistance to put the name Tox, as a developer of this software, on the Tox developer side!  Gkmw (talk) 01:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Gkmw: Hi there! The Teahouse is a "friendly place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia". We can't help you with software creation or development, but let us know if you have a question about Wikipedia. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Can you please, put the name Tox? As a developer of this software. On the Tox Protocol? If possible thanks so much. Gkmw (talk) 01:21, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Gkmw: If you have a suggestion for the Tox (protocol) article, you can post it on the article's talk page, Talk:Tox (protocol), with a reliable source that can be used as a reference. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:27, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Edid, Tox Protocol

FYI

 – Combined sections. GoingBatty (talk) 01:27, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

How can I edid that page? Please I need your assistance! Gkmw (talk) 01:25, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Gkmw: Please don't create a new section header to continue the same conversation. To learn how to edit, you may be interested in Help:Introduction to Wikipedia and Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure. GoingBatty (talk) 01:29, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Gkmw: If you're a programmer busy working with the Tox Protocol, you should refrain from directly editing the article, as you would have a conflict of interest. You can go to the article's talk page and submit an edit request with a reliable source. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:12, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Aare you saying that there is a person named Tox, and that this information belongs in the History section of the article? Is there a reference to confirm that? David notMD (talk) 03:43, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Gkmw, and welcome to the Teahouse. If your software is not yet developed, then it is almost certainly TOOSOON, and probably does not, at present, belong anywhere in Wikipedia. If you are trying to get your name (or the name of your software) into Wikipedia, then you are engaging in promotion, which is not permitted anywhere in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 14:16, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Citations

Can YouTube videos be cited? For example, if I'm building a Career graph of a news anchor, is a citation of the interviews he/she have conducted and which may be on YouTube permissable? Mommatwrk (talk) 02:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Mommatwrk: YouTube videos can be cited, but consider who is publishing the video (like you would consider who publishes a magazine or newspaper article). Also, Template:Cite AV media reminds us that we should not cite material that violates copyright law. GoingBatty (talk) 04:53, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Mommatwrk: you may want to check this out too, Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. - Bekkadn (talk) 07:57, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Biography vs. Bare Bones?

I have an article on Joseph Conforte and a draft of Sally Conforte that has been denied: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Sally_Conforte As biographer, I've taken a chronological approach to writing the articles. In Sally's case, I went the extra mile to explain her. Proving facts is always an issue of murky underworld characters. Related Wiki articles are ripe with omissions and bad or incorrect facts: Harry E. Claiborne, Oscar Goodman, Oscar Bonavena, Bernardo Mercado, Vinnie Curto, and many more as they relate to Joseph or Sally Conforte.

I'm not the best at encyclopedic writing. I think an issue with my work is about structure. It comes down to a chronological narrative versus specific events or accomplishments. Please, I seek your advice and contributions. Owilli2019 (talk) 03:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Owilli2019: I suggest reading Wikipedia:Other stuff exists - your help improving those other articles would be appreciated. In the "Second female boxing manager" section of your draft, it's not clear where the quote from The Last Mafioso ends - you may want to use a quotation template. Also please review WP:ITALICS and ensure the prose contains complete sentences - I fixed what I could. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:06, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

How do I write articles in the main space directly?

I've been writing an article, and I noticed how it's a draft. Are there any required things I have to do before I can write directly in the namespace? I am an auto confirmed user. Brigantics (talk) 03:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

New editors are strongly recommended to use the Articles for creation (AfC) process rather than putting their creation directly into mainspace. I can tell you that your draft Draft:Rebecca Parham, if submitted to AfC, will be declined. If you bypass AfC, it is very likely that it would be quickly submitted to Articles for Deletion due to multiple shortcomings, as described in the commentary at the top of the draft. David notMD (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

See List of animators for examples of how to crate an article. David notMD (talk) 03:55, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Album missing

Return to forever album missing. 1975 Electric Lady. https://www.discogs.com/Return-To-Forever-Electric-Lady-Studio-NYC-June-1975/release/7248631 please add 2601:644:0:F330:CCE:C48B:8961:9EBE (talk) 05:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Assuming you're referring to Return to Forever, you are more than welcome to add the information yourself to the article. If you need help with referencing, you may want to see WP:EASYREFBEGIN. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:10, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Actually, after checking the list of perennial reliable sources, do you have any other source that has this information? Discogs' content is user-generated and thus unreliable for Wikipedia's purposes. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

It might not be included because Discogs lists it as an "Unofficial Release". You may want to discuss it at the article's talk page: Talk:Return to Forever. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:14, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

How to remove redirect

Hi. I've misspelled a redirect name (a capital letter inside the name), and now I'd like to remove it altogether. It's here. I've created the correct redirect, this one is useless now. I tried redirecting the wrong redirect, but a bot moved it back to the wrong form - apparently double redirects are not accepted, or that bot has a glitch, doesn't matter, fact is the trick didn't work. Thanks. Arminden (talk) 05:25, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Arminden: I suggest adding {{db-g7}} to the top of the page, and use the |rationale= parameter to explain why it should be deleted. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:31, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

References changing between read view and edit view

Hello! I am wondering if anyone would have insight as to why the numbers on citations would change when switching from read view to edit view on an article? I would like to suggest the removal of a source on the Peloton (company) page because the source is not accessible without a paid subscription (sidebar: is this a rule about sources?). The source is number 45 in the read view of the article, out of 46 total references, but when I switch to edit view the number changes to 43. Also, in edit view there are still 46 total references in the references section, but the highest number is 44 in the body of the article. Any reason for this discrepancy? Thanks! Let me know if further clarification is needed. Mcooley509 (talk) 07:38, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mcooley509. Just for reference, as long as a source is considered to be reliable, is published and is used in proper context, it can still be cited in an article even if it requires a paid subscription to view it; so, you shouldn't simply remove the source for that reason alone. As for the rest of your question, the references aren't changing per se; the same number are being cited in both view modes. It's just that some of them are formatted as WP:REFNAME; so, if you search the edit mode for "<ref>" using Ctrl+f, you're only going to find the references that are formatted that way; try searching "<ref" or "</ref>" instead and see if the numbers don't match up. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:50, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Mcooley509 (talk) 08:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Mcooley509: Basically ignore the numbers. They are assigned automatically by possibly different software between preview and read mode, which may process them in a different order. They will routinely change with edits that add or move refs, or even changes to templates that are transcluded by an article, which may add their own references. Refs are also numbered differently if you edit and preview just a section instead of the whole article (or even emit an "error" if the ref is defined outside the section). So, if you want to mention a cite on a discussion page, you generally have to give the title or something else unique about it instead of the number. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:33, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Mcooley509: You use VisualEditor and most experienced editors don't so the previous posters couldn't see what you refer to. You have spotted a bug in VisualEditor. After two references in the infobox parameters of Peloton (company), VisualEditor starts over the count at 1 in the article body, so reference number 3 to 46 are incorrectly numbered 1 to 44. VisualEditor displays the correct number in the references section so the bug is confusing. I don't know whether the bug has been reported somewhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:31, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Users

Hello, I am a new user to wikipedia, and I had a question about new users registering. Does wikipedia automatically send an new registered user an message in there talk page when they have registered, just an question. Thanks. 10-Is-Lucky (talk) 07:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. -- Hoary (talk) 07:52, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't. I see you started going through The Wikipedia Adventure, which auto-generates a message on your user talk page, but other than that, welcome messages are given by volunteers who take it upon themselves to welcome new users. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuuu: Thanks, I'll welcome users. Lucky10 🧊 Userpage 🦜Talk 17:06, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Edits made using WP:Twinkle

I've been trying to see if there is a way to change the "tag: twinkle" that is affixed to any edit made using twinkle, but it doesn't seem that's possible. Is there any way to change or remove that? —FORMALDUDE^(talk) 08:03, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@FormalDude: Imo, WT:Twinkle is better place to ask the question since the developer are there. — Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 08:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Infobox syntax

Is it okay for the infobox to have no spaces and each parameter not on new line? Imo, it isn't okay even though it still render fine but it's horrible to look at when editing, however I'm not sure which guidelines it's violating. — Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 08:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Paper9oll: While other types of templates usually have their parms inline, the typical infobox has a much larger number of parms, so editors have pretty much universally adopted the "vertical" layout for readability in edit mode. I doubt there is (or even should be) a specific policy or guideline – it's a matter of playing nice with others in this project that relies on collaboration. I suppose it could be regarded as disruptive. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Hi, thanks for the reply. Understood. — Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 10:36, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

(c) for photo from books

I have come across this photo from WikiCommons. It was uploaded there by an editor who photographed a book page, presented it as "own work", and offered it as copyright-free for further use. It shows an event from 1918. I have checked and it is being offered FOR A FEE by the Central Zionist Archives here. I know this doesn't mean that the CZA are the (only) reproduction rights or (c) holders, but I also don't know if our colleague's formulation ("own work") is OK. I also believe one should check if the actual photographer isn't known by name, as he should be mentioned in the file as the actual author. There weren't all that many official photographers in Jerusalem in 1918. Anyone who knows the laws (which differ from area to area, stricter in the EU and less so in the US) & WP rules? Arminden (talk) 10:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Arminden, You may post this query at Commons:Help desk since its a Wikimedia Commons related. Thank you. — Amkgp 💬 12:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Amkgp Thank you, I'll try right away! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arminden (talk • contribs) 12:54, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Arminden.

1. The claim of "own work" appears incorrect and is probably based on a common misunderstanding, but which has a fairly anodyne result here. By contrast, the same misunderstanding (or sometimes knowingly false claim) is a real problem when the work is actually copyrighted – see WP:OWN WORK – it should be changed to "Unknown" or to credit the actual author(s) if known;
2. The photograph is in the public domain because of age, as it was taken prior to May 24, 2008, and had to be taken in 1918, and so its copyright expired expired 50 years thereafter, certainly by January 1, 1969, under paragraph 21 of the British Copyright Act of 1911, as applicable under Israel's copyright statute of 2007 (see e.g., Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Israel and Commons:Category:PD Israel & British Mandate);
3. The fact that it's being offered for a fee from CZA doesn't tell you they're claiming copyright ownership, just that they're setting up a paywall—such as to transmit rich media at a higher resolution than you can find elsewhere/offering a print service/something in that arena—which people do for public domain material all the time;
4. However, and not because I see this as actually happening here, but please be aware that it is not at all uncommon for people and organizations to seek to sell material under a false claims of copyright ownership over public domain material, or even to copyrighted material owned by others. When some work is manifestly in the public domain because of status, such as age coupled with location, ignore such claims as on-their-face false.

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fuhghettaboutit,

That clarifies everything, thanks a lot! I'll save your advice for the future.

Kind regards, Arminden (talk) 23:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

How can I make my site Reliable

How can I make my site Reliable like The_Times_of_India My site is https://alatestnews.com

Please give me my question;

1) How many days will it take to make my site reliable like NDTV, The_Times_of_India

2) What steps will I have to take?

3) Any method by which I can show my site is reliable like it.

4) What thing I have to remove from my site

5) What thing should I have to add to my site. 

Digimarksomnath (talk) 10:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

You have created a news feed website and have been inserting it into articles as a reference. This is considered promotional spamming, and has been reverted by several editors. If you persist, you will be blocked. David notMD (talk) 12:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, Wikipedia strongly recommends that people do not try to create articles about themselves (your Sandbox). See WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

A source can be considered WP:RS if it has a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. A website created 2020 that gives very little info about itself [1] has no reputation of any kind. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Digimarksomnath: IMVHO, when you ask 'how long does it take to become a reliable source' you should ask 'how many years' rather than 'how many days'... (despite all other points raise by other users above). --CiaPan (talk) 12:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Digimarksomnath. None of the questions your asking have answers that would render the material reliable, except possibly what you would have to "add", but not as I think you intended that question to be answered—what you would need to add is a variety of personnel including people who graduated from university journalism programs, some of them having already worked in the jouralism field for a number of years; editors, fact checkers, copywriters, cameraman, photographers, a legal staff, etc. – who then started producing actually reliable material which would result in a feedback loop, the site's actual reliability would become more and more widely known because of its quality which woudl translate to a reputation for reliability and so on, until it reached a critical mass, and eventually it'd be The News©℠®™℗.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Digimarksomnath: How long has The Times of India been around? How many people do they have working for them, what are their jobs, and how does that contribute to their reliability? In other words, make your site a proper news organization as recognized by the readers it should aim to serve. Once it is recognized that way, people (not you) may start citing it in articles here, and there will no doubt be discussions about whether it is a reliable source. People making the argument for reliability will be able to point to your site's track record of good reporting and qualified editors, fact-checkers, etc., and (hopefully) successfully make the argument that it's reliable. The more you, as the owner, attempt to promote it, the harder that argument for reliability is to make, since it appears that you simply want to attract more "eyeballs" by using Wikipedia to promote your site. That's not what we're here for. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Help with creating a good article

Hi everyone, a few days ago I've written a page about Bihać Operation, and I want to nominate it for a good article but it still needs to be improved before I do that. The page met all B-class criteria except for grammar, I'd really appreciate if someone who is a native English speaker could copyedit the article. I would also love to hear other suggestions for improving the article so it can meet good article criteria. Thanks! OakMapping (talk) 12:38, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

OakMapping, welcome to the Teahouse - please file a Request on the Guild of Copy Editors Request Page WP:GOCER . CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for helping me out. OakMapping (talk) 18:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I am a native English speaker, I will do my best to fix any grammar mistakes.KommanderC (talk) 16:29, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

A problem I am encountering is a problem with redundancy. I would maybe replace some of the "Bihac Operation"s with things like "Battle", "Military engagement", "Conflict", or something else. there is also what I feel is unnecessary background info on the battalions. You can create stub articles on the battalions for the basic info, instead of putting it on the Bihac Operation article. I am exited to see this get nominated. Good luck! Best regards- KommanderCKommanderC (talk) 17:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

KommanderC Thanks a lot for your help and suggestions. I will remove some unnecessary info about the brigades and create separate articles for them. Regarding the issue of redundancy, feel free to replace "Bihac Operation"s with other words wherever you see fit. Again, thanks for helping me out. Cheers! OakMapping (talk) 18:49, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Another subpage

How to get another subpage to my userpage? I would like to have another sandbox (whatever you them). Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 13:55, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Ken Tony Peter, welcome to the Teahouse. You can create new subpages by appending a text string after your user page.

For example, if you're doing it in your browser's address bar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tenryuu/Example

or as a wikilink: [[User:Tenryuu/Example]] —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:06, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Tenryuu Thanks dude. Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 14:48, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

New User Template

I have added New User Template on my account. However I am unable to write anything in that. Would request someone to explain me how it works and how to use it. Thank you. Stanford113 (talk) 14:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Stanford113, welcome to the Teahouse. {{New user}} only asks for an image (which is optional) in its parameters. Anything you add after it will appear under the "About me" section. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Yu-Chen Wang Submission declined

Dear Teahouse Unfortunately my article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Yu-Chen_Wang has not been accepted. I can't see why it wouldn't not show enough significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. There is still more to be written about this artist, of course, but I thought there were enough references to proof they qualify for a Wikipedia article. What is missing? Kind regards, thanks for your help! Sabine Hagmann (talk) 15:03, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Sabine Hagmann, welcome to the Teahouse. I did not a review bc I am personally not confident with WP:NARTIST but I saw directly for example given sources like Facebook which are none at all - you can also ask the Reviewer directly what their reasons might have been MurielMary. CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Young_In_Hong Submission declined

Dear Teahouse Unfortunately my other article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Young_In_Hong has not been accepted either. Here too, I don't understand why it's not clear that she satisfies WP:ARTIST. Kind regards, thanks for your help! Sabine Hagmann (talk) 15:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

In order to have an article in English-language Wikipedia, a person must be notable (as this is understood here). WP:ARTIST starts: Authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals:; and I now realize that, when plucked out of context, this makes little sense. Take it to mean In order to be considered notable (a requirement for an article), an author, editor, journalist, filmmaker, photographer, artist, architect, or other creative professional must satisfy at least one of the following four:. I shan't go through all four; but the first is The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors. To show this, one doesn't just assert that she's regarded as important or is widely cited; one instead cites a description (from a reliable source) of her as either important or widely cited. (Again, this isn't necessary: it's merely one option among four.) Another possibility is for an artist not to meet any of the four criteria in "WP:ARTIST" but nevertheless to qualify for an article by satisfying some other criterion in WP:PERSON; however, this is unusual. -- Hoary (talk) 01:21, 16 February 2021 (UTC) ....... trivially reworded Hoary (talk) 02:22, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: Thank you! -- Sabine Hagmann — Preceding undated comment added 13:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Sabine Hagmann: I hope you have a reference for each item in the Artists' Residencies, Awards, and Exhibitions/Performances sections. (Of course, you can use a reference more than once.) Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:32, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Article has an advisory saying it reads like an advertisement

I am an associate of a living person who is the subject of an article. An editor has put an advisory on the article saying it reads like an advertisement. Can I, as a person who is an associate of the subject, make suggestions on the talk page for how to remove advertisement-like language from the article? Mking92124 (talk) 16:36, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Mking92124, welcome to the Teahouse - just a comment: it might be helpful to name the article so we can have a closer look at it. CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

The article is about Tam O'Shaughnessy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mking92124 (talk • contribs)

For clarity, I made this a separate comment and linked. 331dot (talk) 16:56, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Mking92124 You are welcome to make suggestions on the article talk page. Please review conflict of interest and paid editing for information on formal disclosures you may be required to make, depending on what your association is. 331dot (talk) 16:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

331dot Thank you for your help. I have put suggestions in the talk area of the Tam O'Shaughnessy article for how to make the language neutral. I have included a disclosure that I have a professional relationship with the subject. Will someone review my suggestions automatically, or do I need to alert someone?Mking92124 (talk) 17:59, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mking92124. In general, no, somebody will not necessarily notice your request (though they might this time because of this discussion). If you attach the template {{edit request}} to your request (put it like that, with the double curly brackets) it will get put on the list of requests waiting. It still may not necessarily happen quickly: like everything on Wikipedia, it depends on volunteers, who choose what they are going to work on. --ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Can Morgan Edge be added the category of fictional american jews.

 Jack1578 (talk) 19:49, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Only if you can support that statement with a reliable source.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:58, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Jack1578: If this is about your recent edits to Morgan Edge, then the category you want is Category:Fictional_American_Jews. The category you recently added has a typo. Also, as mentioned above, you need to provide sources that support this character is a Jew. RudolfRed (talk) 20:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Jack1578: I have fixed the category name [2] and deleted the misnamed Category:Fictional America Jews. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

In action comic #468 Morgan Edge was revealed to be jewish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack1578 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

At Special:Diff/1006975742, David notMD reverted the category addition with the summary A statement in 1977 that his birth name was Morris Edelstein does not guarantee Jewishness. Jack1578, is this the basis for your claim – that it's a Jewish-sounding name? Please discuss at Talk:Morgan Edge. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

When to move from suggestion on talk page to taking action / making changes to article?

I made a suggestion to change the images on the wikipedia page for Truth on the talk page. The same suggestion had previously been made by at least 2 other editors on the talk page but batted down by other editors on grounds of censorship and as far as I can tell a misreading of Wikipedia's rules and style guide. In my own Talk page entry, I pointed out a number of guidelines on the Wikipedia style guide that were being ignored or broken by the images in the article and a couple of other editors sounded their support for the change I was suggesting as well.

Now that a few days has passed with no further activity or opposition to my suggestion, when can it be considered that the change can go forward? TranquilDragon (talk) 20:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I would be WP:BOLD and make the change and see how people feel about it. If it's reverted, do the WP:BRD cycle and discuss with the editor about it. WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 20:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

write new article - specific topic's notability, copyright

Hi, I'd like to create new Wikipedia page about Steven Hassan's BITE model (very briefly described on his page), using as main source his book "Freedom of Mind". While I'm pretty sure this is a notable topic, I wonder if there may be a copyright issue, if not what is the limit of using text from his book to explain the BITE model. Thank you. InukshukBro (talk) 20:35, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse and thanks for the question. You can visit Wikipedia:Copyright violations to learn about copyright violation and related policy on en-wikipedia. Also, go through Your first article for writing guidelines including notability threshold for subjects etc. Thank you. — Amkgp 💬 20:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, InukshukBro. I'm afraid that one thing you may not do is to use his book as the main source for an article on his model, because it is a primary source, and can only be used in limited ways. The bulk of such an article must be based on sources wholly unconnected with Hassan; and if you cannot find enough such independent sources to base the article on, then by definition the model is not notable. --ColinFine (talk) 20:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Greetings InukshukBro, and ofc welcome to Wikipedia! I usually just go to google to check if there are independent sources covering the subject - I especially find google news useful. And looking there, there's a few sources that at least partly mention the "BITE model": Fox News Byline Times Vanity Fair Taiwan News Psychiartic Times. In combination with the book as a primary source (used sparingly), you might have just barely enough notability for an article (not sure if about the model or the book?) - but it also might just not suffice, and a discussion might determine that it should rather be an expanded section at Hassan's article.

I recommend you follow the advice by Amkgp and ColinFine first, and then revisit the links I have posted here to determine if you want to go ahead with writing that article. Writing an article is hard and takes a lot of time to get right! (While it sounds like an interesting topic, I personally cannot help you with this because I am working on several articles already.) --LordPeterII (talk) 22:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

KCTU-LD's Affiliation with MeTV

Guys, I looked In MeTV#Affiliates, and it says that MeTV started on KCTU-LD in 2011, while it says 2010 on The KCTU-LD Wikipedia Article itself. Does anyone know when MeTV started it's affiliation with KCTU-LD, because I'm confused with the Dates. LooneyTraceYT (talk) 20:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, LooneyTraceYT. As always, the answer is, look at the sources. The 2011 date is sourced, the 2010 is not, so Wikipedia prefers the 2011 date. The source is not ideal - it's MeTV's Facebook, which counts as reliable because it appears to be the official account of one of the parties, but is primary; but for things like dates, primary sources are usually acceptable. So a reliable secondary source would be preferable. Since that post was from early January, it wouldn't surprise me if the agreement had been announced in the press in 2010, but taken effect at the beginning of 2011. --ColinFine (talk) 21:08, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Quick Question: Edit Conflict - other editor reverted their own talk page entry

Greetings,

I have a quick question: Another editor has just reverted their own edit at a talk page discussion, and I am getting an edit conflict with my answer to them. What is the best practice in this case? Should I restore their post and somehow mark it as retracted? Should I just post my answer without theirs (which might confuse others)? Should I not post my carefully crafted response at all, even though I believe it would benefit the discussion?

Feels a bit weird because I do not want to meddle in someone else's talk page responses. -- LordPeterII (talk) 21:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@LordPeterII: I would not restore the edit they reverted. If your comment is useful to the discussion, then just reword it so that it does not depend on being a reply to the previous post. RudolfRed (talk) 21:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

This really depends on the specific context, but generally RudolfRed's suggestion sounds like the way to go. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:41, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, those were quick answers! I managed to rephrase it so it doesn't rely on the previous post, and instead becomes an addendum to my own. I guess if that would have impossible, I might have asked again; but I agree this is the best solution. --LordPeterII (talk) 22:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Biography for Cubanlynk

Im seeking assistance in creating a Biography on Wikipedia for Musician Cubanlynk Josephclarke17 (talk) 22:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Cubanlynk

@Josephclarke17: I recommend you start by following the guidance at WP:YFA. The first thing you need to do is determine if the subject is notable, such as by meeting the guidelines at WP:NMUSIC. If it does, then continue by finding reliable sources and then writing the text of the article in a non-promotional, neutral way. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a venue for promotion. RudolfRed (talk) 22:31, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, i hope there's someone here that is willing to write the article for me , that knows the guidelines and how to write a proper article for wikipedia

Hello, Josephclarke17. You replied in the right place, but it would be helpful if you sign every time you post on a discussion page, as you did your original question.

There are two parts to getting somebody to write an article: the easy bit is asking - you've done so here, and a formal place to ask is at requested articles. The harder part is motivating somebody to do so - we're all volunteers here, and work on what we choose. So you need to catch somebody's interest. You are much more likely to do that if you first do the spade work, of finding the references - read the links that RudolfRed gave you. Then, assuming you find sufficient references that meet all three of the criteria: reliably published, independent (so nothing published by the artist, their publishers, producers, labels or agents, or based on interviews or press releases from any of these, and no sites whose purpose is selling), and containing significant coverage of the artist - otherwise stop wasting your time - I suggest looking for a WikiProject that is relevant, and asking there. --ColinFine (talk) 23:26, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

– for additional guidance read Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons – cheers, Epinoia (talk) 16:46, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Update: It appears that the draft has been speedily deleted for unambiguous advertising or promotion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:58, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Use transparency on small font sample or use white background?

I've made and uploaded a sample of a typeface to commons. The background is white, and I was wondering if it would be better to make the background transparent. The characters themselves are very small (16x16) so I don't know how it would display in transparency on mobile devices. Should I replace the white background version with a transparent background, or let it be? WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 22:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@WhoAteMyButter: If you don't get an answer here after some time, then consider asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Accessibility if there are any accessibility considerations here. RudolfRed (talk) 00:39, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make a rant on Wikipedia and post it on Wikipedia?

Is this allowed? JennilyW (talk) 22:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@JennilyW: No. Wikipedia is not a blog or a soapbox. See WP:NOT RudolfRed (talk) 22:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Possibly, JennilyW, depending on what you mean by "a rant on Wikipedia". See WP:Essays. --ColinFine (talk) 23:14, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Conversely, see WP:NOESSAY. WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 23:45, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, depending, possibly on your userpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Help - How To Undo Last edit to New page that has still not been submitted or published?

How can I undo my very last edit to a NEW page I am working on? I accidentally deleted a couple of paragraphs while creating a new page, before publishing it, and I would like to just "undo" or revert to last version. All help says to click on the "view history" tab, however that option does not appear in the "new" page I am working on. CBrookUM (talk) 01:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't notice any major subtractions among your recent edits, and therefore wonder if you really did what you believe you did. Anyway, in order to go back to any earlier version, view the article in the normal way, click on "History" (under "This page"), click the time/date of the version that you want to revert to, check to make sure that this really is the version you want, and click "Edit this page". (You will not be able to edit only part of it.) You'll be warned that you're about to edit an old version. Don't edit it; simply save it as it is, with an explanatory edit summary. Make any needed changes in a subsequent edit or series of edits. -- Hoary (talk) 02:19, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

To clarify, I am not trying to edit an already published page. I am in the process of creating a "New" page, that I have NOT published yet. As I was creating the New page I accidentally deleted some significant content that I had created for the page. All I am trying to do is "Undo" my very last action. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CBrookUM (talk • contribs) 03:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@CBrookUM: If you didn't click the [Publish page] button, then Wikipedia doesn't have any record of the page. Maybe your browser would recognize CTRL-Z to undo? GoingBatty (talk) 03:46, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

help frommy talk page

4th Decline for Agantukaya. I am a beginner and trying to do an article. struggling with footnotes. Read footnotes section for beginners and has taken a easy way out and reduced the content from the initial write up. but still rejected. can you please tell me how to improve further. Thank you Agantukaya (talk) 02:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Senaka Rajapakse, and it has been Declined, not Rejected. Yes, you need to learn to reference properly. David notMD (talk) 03:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Agantukaya: See the documentation at Template:Cite web to help you with Draft:Senaka Rajapakse. In each reference, the |title= should be the title of the web page or journal article or book, not "Professor" or "Dr." The |last= and |first= parameters should be the name of the author of the web page or journal article or book - hopefully Rajapakse did not write every reference you provided. GoingBatty (talk) 03:57, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much GoingBatty David notMD (talk that makes lot of sense. will edit.Bless you. Agantukaya (talk) 16:40, 16 February 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agantukaya (talk • contribs) 04:04, 16 February 2021 (UTC) -- Abdul Muhsy talk 14:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Olšina (Ralsko)

Hi, and thanks for the Tea-Room chat site.

I recently translated a Czech Wiki article about an extinct village. Based on my personal family research, a great-grandfather of mine was born in this village. Since the article only exists on a Czech wiki article, (with pictures), I made my very first attempt to translate the information using the Wiki translation tool. At the moment it appears only as a 'Draft'. I'm just wondering how long it will take until it will be reviewed and published online by the Wiki Editing Team.

Thank you for your time and efforts.

Kirk Haggerty Munich, Germany KPHaggerty (talk) 14:42, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@KPHaggerty: To ask someone to review Draft:Olšina (Ralsko), please add {{subst:sumbit}} to the top of your draft. It could take several months to be reviewed. GoingBatty (talk) 15:17, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi KPHaggerty. I have transformed two of the citations your used, taking them from naked URLs to fully-attributed citations. This should help with the review that will take place once you follow GoingBatty's advice. Best regards-Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:26, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Citing a book

Hello! I am new to the editing community, and I have a problem. I need to cite a book for a citation. the book is not free, however, and I do not know how to cite it. The source I used was a publishing store in which the book can be bought, however, I do not know if that is acceptable. the book is called "The Tanks of Operation Barbarossa; Soviet versus German Armour on the Eastern Front" by Boris Kavalerchik. please respond asap. thank you, and have a nice day. KommanderC (talk) 16:25, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@KommanderC: The book does not need to be free or online to be used as a citation. You may choose to use {{cite book}} to create the citation. GoingBatty (talk) 16:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

(e/c) Hey KommanderC. First, the fact the book is behind a paywall does not make it at all un-citeable. For our policy on this, please see WP:SOURCEACCESS, Wikipedia:Offline sources and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Cost. As to how to cite it, I suggest using a Citation templates – here {{Cite book}}. They allow you to just plug in the appropriate parameters, in any order and it will always format consistently (you should always cite a source transparently, for verification purposes; for a book, we usually present the year, title, author name(s), publisher, isbn number, page number(s) and url, if there is one). (For this book, however, there's a translator, so I'd provide that information as well.)

As to the convenience link to a url, I recommend not using the online store's, but something like Google Books (which in this case has preview available). Specifically, I suggest the following format, which will display as set forth below, from the footnote you'll see at the end of this sentence (just note that where I have written "INSERT" in the citation, next to the pages= parameter, that is for you to place the actual page numbers that verify the detail you are citing; use "page=" if it's one page"):

<ref>{{Cite book|title=The Tanks of Operation Barbarossa; Soviet versus German Armour on the Eastern Front|last= Kavalerchik|first=Boris|url=https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Tanks_of_Operation_Barbarossa/7XjNDwAAQBAJ|isbn=978-1-4738-8682-7|translator-last1=Britton|translator-first1=Stuart|year=2018|publisher=Pen & Sword Books|pages=INSERT}}</ref>

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

References

thanks @Fuhghettaboutit.— Preceding unsigned comment added by KommanderC (talk • contribs)

You're welcome KommanderC. By the way, it takes some getting used to but becomes second nature – please remember to sign your posts on discussion pages like this one (type four tildes (~~~~) or click on the signature button located above the edit window). Also, by convention we respond to posts by indenting one level in from their indentation level (just place colons (:s): so:

Original Post
:Reply to it
::Reply to that
:::Really?
::::Yes really!

Cheers--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:22, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Inconsistency in some Chemistry articles

I was doing some editing and research and came across this situation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maleic_acid_dibutyl_ester https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_maleate Dimethyl maleate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyl_maleate Diethyl maleate

So Dimethyl maleate article is called that as is diethyl maleate. However, Dibutyl maleate (DBM) article redirects to Maleic acid dibutyl ester. Surely there needs to be some consistency. Probably needs a very experienced chemistry editor to look at. GRALISTAIR (talk) 17:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hey GRALISTAIR. I suggest asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemistry for someone to take a look and advise or sort the issue. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

These sort of inconsistencies are a consequence of different article creation dates and editors. Fortunately, the ability within Wikipedia to use redirects means that readers looking for a given chemical under a variety of names (and e.g. molecular formulae) should find it. As advised, WT:WikiProject Chemistry is the place to discuss this if you have a specific proposal to sort things out. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Protecting page

Hello, How do I protect a page from Vandalism, if I’m not an administrator? How do I get administrative privileges ? Cyberanthropologist (talk) 17:18, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Cyberanthropologist. Requests for protection are made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Becoming an administrator requires, among others, thousands of edits and deep experience in many areas of the encyclopedia. See Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

By the way, I am posting below a canned template providing some standard advice about dealing with vandals.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

You can report obvious and persistent vandals at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism (WP:AIV) to be blocked from further editing. Before posting there, a final warning in an escalating series should have been posted to the user's talk page (for example {{Uw-vandal4}}, {{Uw-spam4}} or {{Uw-speedy4}}), and the user must have vandalized within the last few hours, including after the final warning was given. Various warning templates can be found at Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace (easily remembered by the shortcut WP:WARN). Your block request is unlikely to be acted upon unless you follow these steps. Cases that are not simple vandalism can be reported at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Of course, in conjunction with warning against and reporting vandalism, you have the ability, mandate and are encouraged to revert all instances of vandalism you find yourself.Template:Z36--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

blue colored links

how to create blue links Zbani kurdi (talk) 18:32, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Zbani kurdi blue links link to existing articles, while red links link to articles which do not yet exist. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 18:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Zbani kurdi, and welcome to the Teahouse. You put the name of the article between double square brackets, thus [[Spain]] displays as Spain and links to the article called "Spain". If you want the text to appear different from the name, you put the text after a "pipe" character, so [[Spanish language|Spanish]] display as Spanish. See WP:Wikilinks for the whole story, and WP:CHEATSHEET for other kinds of Wikimarkup. --ColinFine (talk) 18:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Zbani kurdi: Welcome! To create a link to another Wikipedia page, enclose it in double-square brackets. [[Wikipedia]] produces Wikipedia -- a link to the encycopedia article on Wikipedia. I suggest you try out the WP:TUTORIAL or the interactive learning game at WP:ADVENTURE RudolfRed (talk) 18:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

What Makes Quality Sources?

Frankly speaking, I have read a couple of approved articles on Wikipedia to compare it to my recently submitted one. I have also read to crosscheck on Wikipedia policies and guidelines on notability but I am moved by surprised on the standpoint of some reviewers.

First, can't an article on a political appointee be accepted on Wikipedia? Second,can't the same article be approved when the sources reports official duties of the office holder? Third, are print news third party independent sources which do not have online platform unaccepted to give a subject notability? Fourth, on the office of a mayour or local government chairman, is he not worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia even when reliable and veritable sources are available? Fifth, when did Wikipedia policies start considering notability based on the numerical strength and number of towns a mayor or local government chairman controls?

Let us take the case of Draft:Ojo Maduekwe and Draft:Ibrahim Magu. These are political appointees yet they are accepted as articles on Wikipedia. The case of the first subject even surprised me as there are only 4 sources cited on it. When that of the second article has sources discussing his official duties as EFCC Chairman.

Let our reviewers be fair in their acceptance and rejection of articles. Nwachinazo (talk) 18:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC) Nwachinazo (talk) 18:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Nwachinazo's examples are Ojo Maduekwe and Ibrahim Magu, i.e., articles, not drafts. The fact that other stuff exists (WP:Other stuff exists) is not considered a valid justification for a disputed draft, in this instance Draft:Nyerere Ogbonna. A difference I consider valid is that Ogbonna is an appointee at a state level whereas Maduekwe and Magu were at federal level. David notMD (talk) 18:51, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Mexican State Flags

Every state in Mexico has a coat of arms and a flag in their infobox. However, that flag is almost always just the seal on a white background. I have heard that Mexican state flags are not really a thing on public display, and if you look at the Spanish Wikipedia for Mexican State X it just has the seal and not the flag. Why do we have Mexican state flags on English Wikipedia? Is it just to keep the formatting the same as states in other countries? They seem made up and unnecessary. T-Ro Trains (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

finding citations

I have trouble getting enough reference material online to add citations where needed. I have tried the local library and Internet Archive. There must be other sources to use. Would there be a list of online resources for those of us who like to add citations? OodFloo (talk) 19:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@OodFloo: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources could be helpful, but it probably depends on the subject of the article - what is reliable for video games may not be reliable for international governmental relations. Template:Find sources might be helpful. Reaching out to the WikiProjects associated with the article may also be helpful. GoingBatty (talk) 20:17, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion- Can you Pls. ADD Televangelist Michael Dean Murdock, to LAKE CHARLES, LOUISIANA'S "NOTED PEOPLE" Section ? Thanks You Very Much.

 2603:6011:4544:7300:5471:2BEC:74D7:87F1 (talk) 20:08, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Done. We've also removed a number of names that shouldn't be there per our policy at WP:LISTPEOPLE--Shantavira|^{feed me} 20:16, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Infobox problems

I have an infobox that has stopped working. The code is as follows

Elizabeth Clark
[[File:Elizabeth Clark c. 1915 .jpg|frameless|upright=1]] Elizabeth Clark, about 1915
Born	(1875-05-14)14 May 1875 Hartlebury, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Died	21 April 1972(1972-04-21) (aged 96) Winchester, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Resting place	Kilmeston, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Occupation(s)	Story teller, lecturer, author
Years active	1915–1955

I think I have the correct filename under image, but I have forgotten how to find files. Could somebody please tell me how to locate my files? Pogga D (talk) 20:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Pogga D, I believe your {{circa}} template is breaking the file name. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:21, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't quite understand what you mean. If I remove the Template:Circa 1915 it makes no difference I still don't get the image. I need to check the name of the file.Pogga D (talk) 20:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)