Talk:Fate: The Winx Saga

Name change

It looks like "Club" has been dropped from the show's title. Deadline updated their article to say "The Winx Saga" (the old version said "The Winx Club Saga") and the actor Theo Graham posted a script that says "The Winx Saga". TheFallenPower (talk) 13:14, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2021

Shouldnt you add American too for Country of Origin. I mean it is an American show written by an American writer I think it would be best to add American too. 47.151.31.94 (talk) 22:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I'll add that. TheFallenPower (talk) 00:16, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Can someone add the plot as season synopsis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.4.148.73 (talk) 12:54, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Speaking of country of origin.. I don't think the first sentence should list the countries of Fate, or the original show. There are a lot of countries involved so this can be confusing. When skimming the 1st sentence, I was confused & thought it was saying that Fate was Italian-American, when it is mainly British production. The 1st sentence should stay clearer. Donimb (talk) 18:54, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Filming locations

Fate: The Winx Saga was not filmed in Ashford Studios at all, only Ardmore Studios and on location, so this mention should be deleted. The person who added "Ashford Studios" clearly only read the headline of the article they referenced, but not the article itself which states Fate was filmed in Ardmore Studios. Thank you. Itscocopops1 (talk) 13:29, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I fixed it, thank you for helping. TheFallenPower (talk) 14:55, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Iginio Straffi and Francesco Artibani's creative roles on Fate

I think we should mention the creative roles of Iginio Straffi ("Winx Club" creator) and Francesco Artibani (lead writer for the animated series) on Fate: The Winx Saga along with Nickelodeon American team's role.

I found two Italian articles: in the first one (https://www.corriere.it/spettacoli/19_febbraio_02/winx-le-fatine-femministe-nuova-stagione-tv-musical-film-2a6aca0e-2726-11e9-a470-fc09ad5adcfe.shtml) Straffi talks about how the Winx are "predominant female characters", then he tells an anecdote about both the animated series and the live-action series: "In recent years, many have good-naturedly reproached us for having relegated males to a passive role. And now when we started planning the series with Netflix - which will air simultaneously in 190 countries - the role of males has remained marginal. Netflix pointed out that for such a large audience - moreover, these new stories are designed for an audience between 15 and 30 years - it would have been good to give a little more relevance to the male gender. But I fought not to change the values ​​of history where women are predominant. Also because then the risk is that nobody is satisfied when a choice is not made. Rather we will work on the dramatic element that will be commensurate with the target of young people. Obviously, we cannot tell the same stories told in the cartoon for girls to an audience of 20 or 30 years old."; in the second one (https://www.framedmagazine.it/le-winx-diventano-una-serie-netflix-intervista-a-francesco-artibani/) Artibani talks about his role on Fate: The Winx Saga, saying: "My role was simple enough. I was called - and I remember it because it was my birthday - on October 27 last year, for a meeting at the Rainbow headquarters in Loreto with the whole American group that had arrived from Rome. I hadn't read anything before, we were still in a preliminary phase. There was a first phase of listening in which I acted as a spectator, then a sort of consultancy, I read the script of the first episode and the storyline of the first season. In fact, I met Brian Young, the production lead writer, who is the same author of The Vampire Diaries. Besides him there were several assistants and a Netflix producer. They told me about the project but more than anything else they asked questions because they wanted to understand some aspects of the characters and the stories. They actually already had very clear ideas about what they wanted to do, so it was more of a diplomatic meeting. They collected a series of observations, suggestions and objections for a consultancy focused on the script, pointing out all those things that were wrong from the point of view of the cartoon, understanding how much the series had deviated."

What do you think?

Thanks so much for finding those, I'll add a bit about them, we've mainly found English sources so it's good to see some more info from the Italian side. I think Artibani is talking about the same time when Nickelodeon/Americans travelled to meet & review the script, because he mentions "a sort of consultancy, I read the script of the first episode." So I'll add that in the same spot. TheFallenPower (talk) 04:18, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2021

I would like to add the plot summary for each episode. Here is what I have for them. Please let me know if the summaries are good or need some changes.

No.	Title	Directed by	Written by	Original release date
1	"To the Waters and the Wild"	Lisa James Larsson	Teleplay by : Brian Young	22 January 2021 (2021-01-22)
A farmer goes outside to check on his livestock. He finds one dead and is then attacked by a strange entity. Bloom, a fire fairy from Earth, arrives at Alfea, a magical school of Fairies and Specialists. After running into Sky, Bloom meets up with Stella, her mentor, for a campus tour. Bloom then meets her roommates Aisha, Terra, and Musa. Bloom’s parents are human, and they don’t know about Alfea and that Bloom is a fairy. At the orientation party, Bloom goes into the woods alone to practice her magic but then loses control. Aisha finds Bloom and saves her from the flame. Seeing Bloom’s power, Aisha theorizes that Bloom could be a changeling. Disturbed by this fact, Bloom leaves for her room where she finds Stella. Stella gives Bloom her ring, which can transfer Bloom to the First World. Bloom then comes back to Earth and has a call with her parents. When returning to the portal, she’s attacked by the Burned One. Bloom is then rescued by Headmistress Dowling, Aisha, Terra, and Musa, but she loses Stella’s ring.
2	"No Strangers Here"	Lisa James Larsson	Speed Weed	22 January 2021 (2021-01-22)
Bloom asks Dowling if she is a changeling and Dowling tells her that she doesn’t know her birth parents but provides no additional answers, frustrating Bloom. When Stella gets to know that Bloom lost her ring, she manipulates Bloom, Terra, and Sky into helping her find it. Riven falls for a new mysterious student named Beatrix and they together make plans of sneaking into Dowling’s office to discover what she’s hiding. Meanwhile, Silva becomes injured by the Burned One while trying to capture it. Bloom and her friends find injured Silva outside the barrier and Terra tries to treat him. Bloom hears voices in her head and runs after the Burned One. Bloom and Aisha knock it out, allowing Bloom to take the ring back. Terra brings in the injured Silva and Beatrix tells Dowling that he was attacked by the burned one. Once Dowling leaves, Beatrix searches for and finds a secret room in Dowling’s office.
3	"Heavy Mortal Hopes"	Hannah Quinn	Victoria Bata	22 January 2021 (2021-01-22)
Bloom dreams of a woman telling her to look for her. She believes the woman is the fairy who left her on Earth. At Alfea, Bloom finds a picture of that woman and confronts Dowling about it. Dowling tells her that the woman is Rosalind, who was Dowling’s mentor and is dead now and that she doesn’t know how she’s involved with Bloom. At the Specialists' party, Bloom gets to know from Riven that Stella blinded her best friend last year after she flirted with Sky. Sky doesn’t deny it which scares Bloom. Meanwhile, Silva’s condition worsens even after the Burned one is killed, implying that there are more. Bloom and her friends fight the Burned One together until Dowling arrives to finish it off. They return to find that Silva is healing. Beatrix gets into the secret passage in Dowling’s room using Dowling’s assistant to trigger the trap which leaves him injured. Beatrix kills him to cover her tracks after she’s unable to access a hidden room. At the end of the episode, it’s revealed that Rosalind is being held captive in the room that Beatrix tried to access.
4	"Some Wrecked Angel"	Hannah Quinn	Niceole R. Levy	22 January 2021 (2021-01-22)
Queen Luna arrives at Alfea to give a speech. She is not happy with Stella’s progress and decides to pull Stella from school against Dowling’s wishes. Meanwhile, Dowling begins to investigate Callum’s death. Bloom gets to know about this from Aisha and starts looking for hidden information in the school with the help of Beatrix. The two of them find a war room with a map that has Aster Dell marked on it. Beatrix takes Bloom to Aster Dell and says war crimes were committed there as she claims Dowling and her allies destroyed it in order to kill the Burned Ones that were there with no regard for collateral damage. She states this happened two days before Bloom’s birthday which causes Bloom to suspect her biological parents were murdered at Aster Dell. Beatrix then tells Bloom that Rosalind is an ally who is still alive and being held captive by Dowling. Before Bloom can get any more information, Dowling arrives and detains Beatrix. When questioned why they were there, Bloom lies to Dowling and tells her that it was a joyride.
5	"Wither Into the Truth"	Stephen Woolfenden	Teleplay by : Victoria Bata Story by : Sarah Hooper	22 January 2021 (2021-01-22)
Beatrix is imprisoned at Alfea. Dane and Bloom plot Beatrix’s escape. Meanwhile, Sky has been tasked by Dowling and Silva to spy on Bloom. Bloom secretly visits Beatrix with help from Dane, and Beatrix offers her access to Rosalind if she is freed. Stella has snuck back into Alfea. Musa, Terra, and Stella plot a way to help Bloom without helping Beatrix to Aisha’s chagrin. Sky catches Bloom conjuring magic at the stone circle in order to help break out Beatrix. Sky confronts her and tells her the truth about his spying. He wants them to trust each other. They kiss and Bloom drugs him to knock him unconscious. A battalion calls in to reveal many Burned Ones are on their way. Bloom confronts Dowling about Aster Dell. Dowling says Rosalind tricked them into destroying it and that’s why she’s being held captive. Terra and Musa help break out Beatrix and together they go down to the basement with Bloom and Stella to break out Rosalind. Stella uses Beatrix to trigger the trap, immobilizing her. They free Rosalind as the others prepare to battle the Burned Ones.
6	"A Fanatic Heart"	Stephen Woolfenden	Brian Young	22 January 2021 (2021-01-22)
Rosalind tells Bloom that Aster Dell was filled with Blood Witches and that Bloom’s biological parents are still alive. She also reveals the Burned Ones are targeting Bloom for her powers. The Burned Ones get dangerously close. Rosalind tries to activate Bloom’s full power, but then Bloom realizes she’s being used. She goes to help Alfea by drawing the Burned Ones away. She is met by Sky and the two share a kiss before she confronts the Burned Ones, unleashing her full power and destroying them all. Bloom and her roommates go back to Earth where she reveals everything to her adoptive parents. Meanwhile, Silva reveals to Sky that he had to kill Andreas for siding with Rosalind as Rosalind escapes alongside Beatrix, Dane, and Riven. The Solarians finally arrive with Queen Luna and Andreas to everyone’s surprise. They arrest Silva for the attempted murder of Andreas. Rosalind and Dowling confront each other in the woods. Rosalind tells Dowling that the Dragon Flame, an ancient magical power burns inside Bloom and that it was used against the Burned Ones who were soldiers in an old war. Rosalind then seemingly kills Dowling. Rosalind and Andreas take over Alfea.

MochiDonut (talk) 03:15, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I added this. I don't know if any of the summaries are accurate, so anyone can feel free to revert. Thanks for writing all that up! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:43, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2021 (2)

I would like to add to the critical response section. Here is my input.

Caroline Framke of Variety criticized the series for relying too much on clichés and wrote that “while adapted from an animated show about friends that was largely targeted at pre-teens, it takes a page out of the “Riverdale” book by giving everything an ominous sheen of sexy intrigue.” Joel Keller from Decider urged the audience to skip the series stating that “while there’s nothing inherently terrible about Fate: The Winx Saga, there’s nothing about it that stands out. Also, do we need yet another dark and gritty remake of a beloved kids’ series?”. Deirdre Molumby from Entertainment.ie praised the cast but criticized the plot and the poor CGI quality. On the contrary, Petrana Radulovic of Polygon wrote that “Fate: The Winx Saga does create a compelling, nuanced plot. The worldbuilding is exciting, offering a spin on the animated series’ world of fairies and non-magical, sword-wielding Specialists”. Melissa Camacho of Common Sense Media criticized the diversity of the cast along with the teen angst shown in the series, but wrote that “Fate: The Winx Saga offers a story world that is easy to escape into, and easy to get caught up in, if you're looking for a fantastical universe to explore.” Millie Mae Healy of The Harvard Crimson heavily criticized the series for its deviation from the source material and stated that it “goes out of its way to be less inclusive and compelling than the source material was” and called it “a damn shame”. Deyshna Pai of the UCSD Guardian gave the series “C+” and criticized its pacing and character development. Lolowinget (talk) 20:30, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2021 (3)

I would like to add some of the casts' responses to the whitewashing criticism to the Controversy section.

Currently on there:

The series received backlash over the casting of Applebaum as Musa, who was coded as East Asian and whose character design was based on Lucy Liu, as well as the apparent replacement of Flora, who was coded as Latina and whose character design was based on Jennifer Lopez, with a new white character named Terra.

I would like to add:

In response to the backlash, Abigail Cowen said she wasn’t involved in the casting but hoped that Flora would be introduced in Season 2 saying “I do think diversity both in front of and behind the camera is vital and much-needed throughout the industry and internationally. So I think it’s important that we are having these conversations.” Brian Young has said Terra is the cousin of Flora, leaving Flora’s inclusion in the show a possibility. Elisha Applebaum, who plays Musa also addressed the controversy. "It's really sad to see that fans were upset with the casting. I wasn't involved in the casting but I hope that what they've seen and how I've portrayed Musa was to their liking," Elisha told Digital Spy. MochiDonut (talk) 21:43, 23 March 2021 (UTC)