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Archive 1

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Template:Z33 - SummerPhD^v2.0 17:22, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I was aware of the DS, but I wasn’t AWARE of that one :D Mvbaron (talk) 17:51, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Your Edit war with Chas. Caltrop at Newspeak.

Boxed material all from a single edit – rev 971318978 by Chas. Caltrop; possibly copied from elsewhere.

Thanks, for the edit-war set up with yourself as fake vivtim, acting in behalf of Robert J. Jensen, Owner of Wikipedia. You need a copy of his chicanery, for your A.N.I. lawsuit

Hello Chas. Caltrop, I invite you to discuss your reverts at the talk page of Newspeak. I have twice given reasons for my additions at the talk page, you keep reverting with blanket edit summaries. Please also do not mark reverts/substantial contributions as minor edits as you did at Newspeak. --Mvbaron (talk) 07:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Reply

Later, I shall find time to fight Jensen's edit-war with you. Meantime . . . you dumb-down the article to your heart's contempt. I've concluded an eight-month hiatus, and the first thing is Jensen's troll dogging my steps. Do you think you'll be a credible victim at the A.N.I.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chas. Caltrop (talk • contribs)

content above boxed for transparency, at 02:48, 6 August 2020 (UTC) by Mathglot (talk)

I ... have not the slightest idea what you are talking about. I have no intention to fight any edit-war, but would please invite you to discuss changes to the article Newspeak at the talk page. Best --Mvbaron (talk) 11:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Manual vs automatic archival

Mvbaron, your recent manual archival at Talk:Newspeak (from, (to) looks correct to me. You're welcome to do it that way, if you're comfortable with it. But here's another, possibly safer method that will accomplish the same thing. As you probably noticed, undated threads don't get archived. But there are various methods to date old, undated threads: one is {{unsign}}, another is {{xsign}}. If they signed, but didn't date a thread, then try {{undated}}.

And then there's the signing/dating method I use now, which is a script from User:Anomie/unsignedhelper, which I find very handy. You can look and copy the first two lines of my common.js and it should just work, once you've read the doc. Only works on the last comment in any thread, but that should be enough for the archive bot to find and pick it up eventually. HTH, Mathglot (talk) 07:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Mathglot, oh thanks. Right, that's a lot to learn! I'll read through the documentation. Thank you! Mvbaron (talk) 07:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Re-reading my last comment, I realized it might not be clear: the "siging/dating method I use now", means, the method I use to update the unsigned or undated comments of others. For my own comments, I just sign with WP:4TILDES. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 07:43, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

ah no, I understood that haha Mvbaron (talk) 07:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

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Oh thank you! :D That looks delicious.--Mvbaron (talk) 07:29, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Revert

See revert. Relevance is that those genetic "reports" (SNP, through saliva) allow people to see exactly how much (in percentage) they descend from other ethnic groups. It's relevant to the page as it shows the people conducting the test just how "pure" (or how little "pure" -in racial/ethnic terms-) they really are It's not intented to be promotional, but I doubt there's a page on wiki focusing exactly on reports indicating such info, and 23andMe is the only organisation I know that does this, and it already has a wiki page indicating they indeed make such reports.--Genetics4good (talk) 11:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Genetics4good, hi! thanks for the explanation. (should we no move this to the talk page?) To be honest, I don't see the connection and I couldn't find it in the article. I don't doubt that some white suppremacists do think a lot about genetic tests, but I don't think this is particularly interesting. The link to that one company I think is WP:OR at that point - but maybe we can find some reliable sources to connect the two topics? Best Mvbaron (talk) 11:46, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

After reconsidering, no never mind as I didn't do enough research first and misinterpreted it. The page mentions is about the belief that "white people" (so not just caucasians or something) are superior in all or some aspects. These "white people" are not a particular race but many races which have a white skincolor. So really, even if you could find a relation between superiority in one particular aspect, you couldn't tie it to "white people" as they are not a race. So irrelevant.

Probably more interesting is looking into the "race" concept (which is outdated). For instance, even the ethnic group "caucasian" (which is one of those "white people") or other similar groups seem outdated. What exactly is being proposed to replace this (it seems there's a move to genetic clines and clusters, see Race_(human_categorization)#Clines_and_clusters_in_genetic_variation. Exactly which list of clines, clusters and "clines and clusters" exist to divide people in, and replace those old concepts of race ? Perhaps we need an image of those new groups on a map, through wikipedia graphics lab ? --Genetics4good (talk) 14:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi! thank you for reconsidering :) it is refreshing to actually discuss content with editors. I am sorry I mislabelled your good-faith edit as promotional.

And, yeah I suppose it would be an interesting topic - although "race" was never somthing I was particularly interested in or read much about tbh - never understood what "caucasian" was supposed to mean... But the idea of a map might be a good idea, though I suppose White supremacy is very much the wrong venue for that. All the best Mvbaron (talk) 15:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Removing references

Please don't remove references from an article unless they are not reliable sources. In general, it is preferable to have more than fewer. (t · c) buidhe 07:52, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

okay, fair enough. However, I do know about RS - and I have only removed references that were a bit silly in their amount (do we really need three refs for a sentence that only states that the attacks happened close to the synagouge?) Also one ref was duplicated there. Mvbaron (talk) 07:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Cultural Hegemony

Hi, thanks for your recent interaction on Cultural Marxism. As per MOS:SEEALSO, what appears in a "See Also" section is not determined by whether a particular topic explicitly mentioned/appears elsewhere in the article. To quote the guidance specifically: "One purpose of "See also" links is to enable readers to explore tangentially related topics...". Now while Cultural hegemony is not part of the conspiracy theory, it is a tangentially related topic as is other Marxist criticisms of culture, and therefore I believe there's an encyclopedic value in mentioning it in the text. It has a value in a similar way that we put information about Earth's rotation in the "See also" section of the Flat earth 'theory'. Alssa1 (talk) 16:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Alssa1, Hi! Thanks for posting your reasoning about that see-also link - although I much rather had this discussion on the Talk page of the relevant article, so I shall be brief: Even though you are correct about SEEALSO, my edit description was perhaps misleading. What I wanted to say is: I can't see Cultural hegemony being even a tangentially related to the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory, aside from the fact that both feature the word "cultural". But I am happy to discuss this matter on the Talk Page further of course. Mvbaron (talk) 07:58, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Requesting moves

Although I've moved all the related to the archives of Talk:Baháʼu'lláh; you should request for moves correctly unlike you did at the RMT where you requested a single talk page be moved to six different location. Regards, ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:18, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

TheAafi, thank you very much! RIght, it seems I forgot to update the archive numerals after copy-pasting. I'm sorry for the inconvenience caused. Mvbaron (talk) 09:21, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Hegel

Why are you butchering Hegel? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.11.224.115 (talk) 09:45, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

hi, what do you mean? Mvbaron (talk) 09:46, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I’m sorry that we misunderstand each other

I never said that you said I was stupid. I’m the one who said I was stupid, and after all, I should know. You accused me of playing games, which is in effect a form of dishonesty. I object to that accusation, which I was intending to rebut in a humorous way. I’m sorry we seem to misunderstand each other. Regards Sweet6970 (talk) 16:01, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Sweet6970! I'm sorry, I will strike my comments about you playing games - I was annoyed that you brought up a good point with the rewriting of the passage (which I support) and then immediately followed it up with something (to my mind) so obviously ridiculous that I could only interpret it as trying to play games. I'm glad that this is not the case (I think the past history of trolling on this page made me abandon AGF, I apologize). Anyways, postmodernism is quite obviously not some grand conspiracy to undermine "our western values", but I think we both know that so any discussion about that is moot. PS: are you planning on adding that proposed paragraph of yours, I think it sounds good. Best -- Mvbaron (talk) 16:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your gracious response, and for striking your comments. I hope we can get on better in future. Regarding my proposed wording (which would replace the current paragraph derived from Lux & Jordan) – I am waiting to see what responses there are from the other editors of that page. Regards Sweet6970 (talk) 16:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)