Talk:Krasnodar

Total number of inhabitants

Someone put up a probably fictitious total number of inhabitants. Now, the number of inhabitants may have been under-counted in 2002 (646,175 in fact) because of illegal immigration into most Russian cities, but 780,000 inhabitants is nowhere to be found in serious publications.

According to the Russian Moj Gorod encyclopedia, based itself on figures from the town administration, which in this case may perhaps be more trustworthy than the census, the real figure is 710,000. So I corrected that. See http://www.mojgorod.ru/krasnod_kraj/krasnodar/index.html --Pan Gerwazy 14:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with Moj Gorod is that they aren't very good at citing their sources. They are a great resource for putting an initial stub together, but I would recommend against relying on any numbers they provide. Anyway, the Census data obviously must be present in the article as it is an easiy verifiable number which is consistent across all Russian locations (same date frame, same methodology). Any other estimate should ideally be referenced. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Privet. Well, I did NOT delete the census figure - that would have been vandalism. Perhaps the versions in other languages (and that includes the Russian one!) should stress the census figure a bit more. You're right, of course. I see now (checking in Yandex) that usually "okolo" (about) 780-800 thousand is what the present town administration claims. However, this number is dubious, as some of the same sources dare to claim that the 2002 census gave 791,000 inhabitants - a verifiably incorrect figure. Unless the town since 2002 has annexed some suburb making up this 145,000 difference (and I could not find anything to support that) - I would quote only the census and Moj Gorod figures (not because they are intrinsically better, but because they are more moderate and paint a more believable picture) - if only we could find what they base their figure on. Maybe they work back from 2002 and add the migration and demography pattern provided by the twon's administration?

A census is usually the best way for a town administration to get their act together and correct their mistakes in former years. I have no idea what is going on here. I did read somewhere that one of the last 5-year plans before Gorbachov foresaw ... 850,000 inhabitants in Krasnodar by 2000. Did they start building a lot of appartments which are now been squatted in? Does the town administration have serious reasons to believe the census was very wrong, or are they living in cloud cuckoo land?

OK, that is my way of viewing things. Probablly a silly rant by someone who has no idea, but there you have it. On a side note, anyone who looks at the ethnic composition of Krasnodar region according to the English version of the census, will have to be careful. In Excel there are two columns headed Krasnodar Region. The first one in fact gives the ethnic figures for ... Chechnya. --Pan Gerwazy 22:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]