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José Bautista's bat flip

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Unnecessary content fork. A bat flip is a relatively common baseball “move.” This play is not independently notable and is already sufficiently covered in Bat flip#José Bautista bat flip Frank Anchor 18:57, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This was previously nominated for deletion in June 2022 as part of a group nomination and closed as a procedural keep due to varying levels of notability between pages within the group.Frank Anchor 18:57, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Frank Anchor 19:03, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unnecessary content fork that includes much WP:COATRACK material. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:09, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Redirect - Not all but enough of the texts cited in the article talk specifically about José Bautista's bat flip that it constitutes WP:SIGCOV of this specific event and not just bat flips in general. The contents of this article definitely have grounds to be kept as far as notability is concerned, either as this article being kept, or merged and redirected to Bat flip#José Bautista bat flip. Diffidently don't delete tho.--PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 19:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep This was one of the seminal moments in Blue Jays history, and has entire chapter devoted to it in "100 Things Blue Jays Fans Should Know & Do Before They Die" by Steve Clarke. Also widely discussed in Toronto media, including this recent article, [1] and this [2]. Oaktree b (talk) 19:55, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Both of these pages are WP:ROUTINE coverage and only make one passing mention of Bautista's bat flip in the body of the article. Further, being a "seminal moment" in franchise history (based on the opinion of one person) is not justification to keep an article. Frank Anchor 20:00, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's still discussed a decade later is proof of notability, comparing other things to it as in those articles. Also has a chapter in the book as described. Also discussed in Sports Illustrated, [3], a discussion about how important it was to the player here [4], the bat itself was sold at auction [5], as was the ball [6]. It's been covered from multiple angles in Canadian media outlets for the last decade, should meet GNG. It's also been discussed in scholarly journals [7],[8], in fields from theology to theatre review. May only be trivial mentions, but help to show how the event has become part of Canadian pop culture. It's also been used to illustrate race relations in sport, in a thesis [9] and similarly in this one [10]. This should be GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 20:03, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Coverage of the event itself, of the ball, of the bat, of the importance to the player, how rude it was or wasn't. I'd gladly use these sources to write the article if it wasn't done already, should be more than enough to prove notability for our standards here. Coverage of the event, of the items involved and of the importance of the action. Oaktree b (talk) 20:16, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it were to pass GNG, there is no requirement for an article to be made, particularly when the subject is adequately discussed in Bat flip#José Bautista bat flip and 2015 American League Division Series without the unnecessary WP:FLUFF added into the page. The page on Bautista's bat flip is an unnecessary content fork. Frank Anchor 20:21, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My view is it would have been an unnecessary content fork if there hadn't been so many sources talking specifically about José Bautista's specific bat flip. Given that a significant amount of sources talk specifically about this event, it has significant coverage and an article dedicated to it is fair game.

Additionally this event may pass Wikipedia:LASTING and Wikipedia:PERSISTENCE per description by @Oaktree b. PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 22:05, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to José Bautista. I acknowledge the notability and significant coverage of this, but is an instance of a bat being thrown in a game, a brief event which took place in under 5 seconds, really enough to warrant its own article? Pardon me if this comes of as ignorant as I'm not really a sports person. All in all I feel like it should just be a section of the article of José Bautista, even with all the notability. Waddles 🗩 🖉 01:20, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment pinging @Spanneraol:, @BornonJune8:, @Ejgreen77:, and @PKT: who made specific comments regarding Bautista’s bat flip (either supporting or opposing deletion) during the previous group AFD linked above. This is NOT WP:CANVASSing as I intend to get input from both sides of the previous discussion. Frank Anchor 12:55, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]