User talk:Notech25

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Hello,

Thank you for your feedback and apologies as I am still new here

I recently visited Laira where the power car 43188 was stationed, and have photos of said power car.

About the information relating to the original decoration of both 43187 and 43188, I have a link to photos of 43188 before Geraint Thomas won the Tour De France, as well as current photos of 43187 taken in September and October of this year. If possible, I would like to avoid publishing my images.

Also, is there a way the article can be rolled back once the information is verified, I would rather like to avoid writing all of that again 😅

Thank you

https://www.flickr.com/photos/privicy_of_charlie/33874703722 Notech25 (talk) 22:16, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also I have noticed the decals on the side of 43188 which clearly state ‘Geraint Thomas winner of the Tour De France 2018’ or the like. These were added at the same time as the yellow leotard, so I feel this does not require a source. Notech25 (talk) 22:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also have photos of 43313’s cab in storage at Laira Notech25 (talk) 22:25, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Photographs and Flickr are not reliable sources under WP:UGC. What you are writing would also fall foul of WP:OR.

Also, simply re-adding unsourced content so you “don’t forget” is still adding unsourced content, so it doesn’t belong on Wikipedia as a general rule. Danners430 (talk) 22:59, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To expand upon @Danners430's message, Wikipedia has a long-standing and generally-agreed policy on the verifiability of information that is included in articles. It begins:

In the English Wikipedia, verifiability means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than editors' beliefs, opinions, or experiences. Even if you are sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it.

This stands alongside the policy on using reliable sources. As part of this, there is a general presumption against the use of photographs found on Flickr as sources for Wikipedia content, which is explained in the policy on user-generated content.

With regards to your own photographs; even if they were not automatically disqualified by the fact that they're unpublished, they would almost certainly be invalid as a source on the basis that they constitute original research.

Please understand that your willingness to contribute is greatly appreciated nonetheless, but these policies are central to the ensuring Wikipedia's quality and integrity. XAM2175 ^(T) 23:31, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So if there is information that is not mentioned by reputable sources that is clearly proven in a photo then the information is invalid? What about the cab of 43313? Accessing Laira isn’t normally possible, so the information will not be present anywhere else.

If the only source of a certain piece of information is a photograph (that can very easily be verified), then why is Wikipedia denying extra depth of knowledge? Notech25 (talk) 12:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Because Wikipedia doesn't want information that hasn't been published by reliable sources. I have already quoted for you the first paragraph of the verifiability policy, which covers it very clearly. Said quote also contains a link to the policy on original research, which is equally applicable.
Thus it is not the fact that the something is proven by a photograph that is the problem, but rather the provenance of the photograph. If it has been published by a reliable source and it clearly and directly supports your addition, then you are more than welcome to cite it as the source of your information. XAM2175 ^(T) 14:09, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why has the article been rolled back again? What have I done wrong this time? I have cited a website that published my photos, the photos clearly support my addition, yet it has still been rolled back. Notech25 (talk) 16:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the previous message sounding aggressive I’m not trying to be like that 😅 Notech25 (talk) 16:15, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Murgatroyd49

@Murgatroyd49 please leave my edits alone, I don’t understand why you keep reverting them, however you will find they are correct and that you do not need to revert them. I also believe it is not very helpful if you just revert and don’t give a reason. Notech25 (talk) 16:47, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The reason, as stated in the edit summaries, not just by me, is that you haven't given a reliable source. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 16:49, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

define reliable please, apologies I’m not trying to be aggressive however I am confused Notech25 (talk) 16:50, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]