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songcover

can anyone provide a third party discussing these cover versions to show they meet requirements? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.13.3.94 (talk) 05:55, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, since you are the editor who wants to remove these cover versions, I would say that the onus is on you to check to see if you can find sources mentioning them--why not put some work into improving Wikipedia, rather than simply detelting stuff? Secondly, all of these cover versions are already supported by a reliable third-party citation, and thirdly, given that the artists in question are all fairly famous in their own right, their covers almost certainly are "important enough to have gained attention in their own right" (as per WP:SONGCOVER) in magazine articles or in artist biographies. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 13:49, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As an experienced editor you should know the onus is on the editor seeking to include the information. I am improving Wikipedia by deleting things that are not notable.

Secondly, songcover says "Merely appearing in an album track listing, a discography, etc., is not sufficient to show that a cover version is noteworthy; cover songs with only these types of sources should not be added to song articles, either as prose or in a list."

Perhaps you thought you could just revert my editing as I'm a newbie even though they were correct? Perhaps not. Either provide the correct documentation or lrave the changes be. 203.13.3.94 (talk) 23:27, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We will need other editors to weigh in on this in order to gain consensus. Otherwise, there is no compelling case for removal at this time. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 13:26, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Again, the onus is on the one seeking inclsuion. It clearly does not meet songcover as it is. Either provide the documentation or leave it be.

But onus is now irrelevant here; we're seeking editor concensus. The examples do, I believe, meet the criteria at WP:SONGCOVER, but again, I have already stated that view. We are waiting for editor concensus. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 17:02, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus, I just removed. Happy to leave alone if a source is fouind. 203.13.3.94 (talk) 22:35, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think perhaps you don't quite understand what "editor consensus" means. We were waiting for other editors to give their opinions on this matter. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 16:05, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really know what is happening here, but I want to resolve the conflict, so could both of you state exactly what you want, and why? Thanks. MasterMatt12(Talk to me :D) 23:31, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also make sure to follow WP:CIVIL. MasterMatt12(Talk to me :D) 23:32, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And make sure to end your message with four tildes ~ so I know who is talking.MasterMatt12(Talk to me :D) 23:34, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After reviewing this, I don't think we should add the new version by Odetta. Although it was made by a notable person, that doesn't mean the song itself is notable enough to be included as a song variation in an article, since I can't find any independent sources that actually talk about the song and not just it being listed as a part of a collection of songs, therefore failing WP:SONGCOVER. MasterMatt12(Talk to me :D) 00:41, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]