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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Mako001 (talk | contribs) at 13:09, 29 July 2023 (→Removals: Reply). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Welcome to my talk page! If you haven't been here before, please read the below paragraphs.

Are you here because I reverted your edit? If so, please read the below First of all, click on all the links in the template I left on your user page (usually there will be one), and then post here if you still aren't sure why your edit was reverted. If your request is a reasonable objection (I.e. I stuffed up, again, since I am not exactly perfect), I will typically self-revert (if the edit is still live), strike the warning template, and leave an apology note below it. If, however, the edit cannot be reinstated in its current form, but can be made suitable, I will give some direction to policies, guidelines or help pages, and suggest that you try to fix it yourself first (you will probably learn more this way than if I do it for you). If you still aren't sure how to fix it, then let me know and I will make the requested change.

Dealing with discussions which need to be put on hold for a bit

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Discussion is very important on Wikipedia. However, sometimes, due to various reasons, discussion sometimes ends up on a course which will never become productive, or resolve any kind of dispute. If this happens here, I may request that you temporarily refain from posting further messages here (except required notices), per WP:NOBAN. The objective is to act as a metaphorical circuit breaker (before we have a metaphorical fire). It is nothing against you or your viewpoint, but simply me assessing that the discussion needs to be put on hold for a while, since its current trajectory isn't going anywhere good. If I ask you to stay off, please respect this. I don't take it lightly. I will also try to stay out of your way for the duration of the temporary pause.

Am I a bot?

I don't think I am, but I'm not entirely sure.

If I am acting a bit odd-er

Should I ever go on some random vandalism spree or start acting much weirder than usual (it can be pretty weird though), don't waste time warning me here, just limit the damage and block me immediately, as my account would have been compromised.

Archiving and deleting

I tend to keep this page trimmed down a bit, and will usually archive finished discussions fairly quickly (usually in less than a week). I don't like to delete them entirely, unless it is mere vandalism or personal attacks with no real critical value. Personal attacks with critical value will be archived as usual. I also delete any sort of "awards" given by editors later found to be sockpuppets, or evading a block. The archives can be found at Archive 0 (an old version of my talkpage), User talk:Mako001/Archive 1 and User talk:Mako001/Archive 2.

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Daily Record

Hello, the claim that the Daily Record website boasts the largest readership of any publisher based in Scotland, has no link to back up the claim. The claim is followed by [citation needed]. I countered the claim because its very likely written by a member of staff at Reach, its publisher. Could you please tell me why you are insisting that an unverified claim should remain published? 2A02:C7C:CB58:6800:B1B8:58BA:2BC9:9692 (talk) 16:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Take a look

Hi. It’s nice to be in touch again. I hope this message meets you in good health. Do review Andy Elewere. Cheers. Amaekuma (talk) 00:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for standing by me

The Barnstar of Diplomacy
I have just now seen your contributions in helping the articles that I created not get deleted. I appreciate you. You’re a real one. Amaekuma (talk) 09:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't impressed at the way that they were just all assuming that the articles were "paid journalism", when I don't think that any of them have even got any idea of what Nigerian journalism normally looks like, and were expecting it to conform to their own European/Western standards. As one participant said "were you expecting something from the New York Times?" Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 09:36, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again. I really appreciate. It’s just that people tend to always follow the bandwagon here so I really appreciate you sticking up for me. Africa is already so underrepresented here and pulling down the few articles we managed to garner is unwarranted. I got so fed up with the whole scenario, I just took some days off the platform because of it and By the time I came back, voting had already been done on the pages. You’re a real one. Amaekuma (talk) 01:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging pages with bare URLs for citation, prior to follow up with tools (via WP:JWB)

Are you going to go back and fix all these? - FlightTime (open channel) 23:50, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@FlightTime:Yes, I'm running Citation Bot through them currently. I cannot guarantee that I can fix all of them, as some may be outside my capability to fix, such as sites which I don't have access to. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 23:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That said, the vast majority will be fixed in a timely fashion. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 23:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New pages patrol needs your help!

New pages awaiting review as of June 30th, 2023.

Hello Mako001,

The New Page Patrol team is sending you this impromptu message to inform you of a steeply rising backlog of articles needing review. If you have any extra time to spare, please consider reviewing one or two articles each day to help lower the backlog. You can start reviewing by visiting Special:NewPagesFeed. Thank you very much for your help.

Reminders:

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Administrators' newsletter – July 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2023).

Administrator changes

added Novem Linguae
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Bureaucrat changes

removed MBisanz

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

Arbitration

  • Two arbitration cases are currently open. Proposed decisions are expected 5 July 2023 for the Scottywong case and 9 July 2023 for the AlisonW case.
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Thanks

Thanks for cleaning up so many badly formed citations that I made in so many articles. It's a great improvement. CT55555(talk) 12:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No problems, you're welcome! Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:32, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DNA barcoding

A DOI template that you added to an URL shows an error message. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 15:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Achmad Rachmani: Uh, which? I've added several hundred. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 15:06, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
INRAE Achmad Rachmani (talk) 15:10, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I hadn't noticed that one, I'll make some changes to prevent future occurrences. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:57, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your good work in updating the Rotomahana page.

Dear Mako, well done for updating the Lake Rotomahana page. It, like the Pink & White Terraces page, has been languishing since c. 2018 when I resigned from Wiki. Since then, we completed and published a great deal of research into these subjects. Regards, Rex Bunn 122.148.162.95 (talk) 03:03, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

LLM Edit Detection

Hey there, I noticed that you reverted an edit on Patriotic Force – Prodromos Emfietzoglou that was LLM. How did you deduce this? I feel the issue will only worsen so I'd like to get ahead of hit. Thanks! - AquilaFasciata (talk | contribs) 14:57, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is an ANI thread about it, a user went around adding LLM generated text to the leads of a few thousand articles. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 10:18, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me, but what is LLM? I have seen that someone's edit was reverted by you showing this reason and I have no idea about LLM. Is it something like AI generated text? Mehedi Abedin 11:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Basically they got ChatGPT to make a summary of the articles, copied and pasted those results into the article, and called it done. A few are fine, but many have terrible grammar, lack of encyclopaedic tone, masses of WP:ENGVAR violations, no links and the big one, many many are just plain wrong and making stuff up. They took no care in generating and pasting them in, sometimes doing one per minute so it's impossible for them to have checked that the output was in any way correct, so we have to undo everything. Canterbury Tail talk 12:40, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, what Canterbury Tail said. I should've probably wikilinked "LLM". ChatGPT has some serious limitations, especially on obscure or little published topics, and can sometimes misunderstand text rather strangely, in ways that a human would not. Hence, it is not a good idea to rely on it to summarise a text. It also has no ability to apply WP:DUE. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 12:46, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. I thought that there was a utility or something of the like that was used. Thanks for the heads up! - AquilaFasciata (talk | contribs) 14:45, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The ANI thread is here, if you're curious. XOR'easter (talk) 15:45, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kill-It-With-Fire is leaving some smoldering remains

I had to manually deal with the LLM revert on downy woodpecker because KIWF didn't do enough. You should eyeball what the script is doing and either manually update post-script, or leave a note that more might be needed, or a note that say you'll come back to adjust. Looks like this is only happening when there are intervening edits, so maybe the script can note there are such so that you don't have to eyeball all of the work, just when the script says to. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@UtherSRG: Thanks, I remembered about that part (that it may not revert all the targeted edits), but hadn't got back to checking. Had to do something IRL and didn't get around to it, I'll check back now and make sure it's all good. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:51, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Should be all OK now, but let me know if you run into anything else. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 23:20, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Cool! Thanks for the update. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 15:51, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies

For jumping on you like that Mako001. For what it's worth, I had totally forgotten our previous encounter, and had to go back to archives 27 and 29 of my TP to work out what you meant! But thanks for doing so—and the reminder that you were the bigger person. I've struck my comment at AN/I; as you say, everyone contributes in their own way, and as long as it's useful work, it doesn't matter how. Thanks for everything you do here, and I'm glad our previous encounter didn't put you off! All the best, SN54129 11:50, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SN54129: No worries, no hard feelings. See you round! 😁 Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 22:56, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removals

Hello, you left me a message in my talk and removed the edits I made to Glossary of Firefighting Equipment citing that I had no sources. Most of what I edited was what certain tools or pieces of equipment are commonly called by firefighters, I also fixed the hook section because the descriptions of the hooks are incorrect. I was in the process of adding entries as well before you removed them.

I am currently a firefighter and was expanding on the page as it is lacking in information. That is how I know what tools are what and the names we use for some things in the fire service. F4i0r1E (talk) 04:03, 29 July 2023 (UTC)F4i0r1E (talk) 04:03, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@F4i0r1E: Whilst I understand that you have real-life experience with this equipment, Wikipedia policy is that information must be verified, which is done by citing reliable sources. If you have access to training manuals or handbooks, these may be acceptable sources for the content you wish to add. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 05:47, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I’ll do what I can to find some of this, however like I said a lot of it is colloquialisms that might not be in training books. Also what about the other entries that don’t have sources? I see a large number of them that are sourceless. F4i0r1E (talk) 08:05, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@F4i0r1E: You can either find sources for them (preferred option), tag them as {{citation needed}} if they seem likely to be correct, or remove them entirely if you aren't sure that they are correct. Perhaps a dictionary might be a possible source? Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 13:09, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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