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Romaja

Hi, please change Kim Il-seong and Kim Seong-ju in the Revised Romanization Korean name infoboxes to Gim Il-seong and Gim Seong-ju, because ㄱ is romanized as "g" in RR. Thanks. 24.61.83.139 (talk) 20:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. This is how RR strictly speaking works, even though sources following RR also habitually spell it as Kim. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:57, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A minor historical detail, but how was the romanization of 성 as "Sung" (which does not match any of the regular Romanization systems that I'm aware of) decided upon originally? Muzilon (talk) 01:15, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Error with children

The 'Personal life' section lists his children with Kim Song-ae as Kim Yong-il, Kim Kyong-il and Kim Pyong-il, however the infobox (and Kim Song-ae's article) list Kim Kyong-jin instead of Kim Kyong-il. NK Leadership Watch list Kim Kyong-jin (although not the one linked to as they have widely differing birth years), however that webpage gives birth years for them all (Kyong-jin 1951, Pyong-il 1954, Yong-il 1955) but then contradicts two of them later (Kyong-jin 1953, Yong-il 1957). The Kim family (North Korea) article says their children are Kim Kyong-il (1951), Kim Pyong-il (1953) and Kim Yong-il (1955) with Time magazine as a source, however Kim Pyong-il's article lists his birth year as 1954. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 18:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Il-sung's funeral was held on 19 Jul 94, not 17 Jul

It was originally scheduled on 17 Jul, but delayed till the 19th. Sources: [1] and [2] ZKang123 (talk) 03:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done CentreLeftRight ✉ 06:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2022

I want to replace the 1950 portrait with the official portrait. Idonotwanttoleakmyipadress (talk) 15:31, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: The image would have to be uploaded, and have an acceptable license. I assume North Korea's copyright isn't compatible with Wikpedia. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:40, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Kim Il-sung's posthumous portrait is available on Wikimedia Commons, but photographs of an article's subject are preferred over drawn reproductions. Thus, this request should be declined regardless. Yue🌙 07:00, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Classified CIA on Kis identity

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00809A000600270269-4.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.25.210.75 (talk) 07:28, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unevaluated information. We've already adequately covered this issue in the article.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:13, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This talk page, and the article itself, does not adequately cover the topic or possibility that Kim may have in fact taken the identity of another person named Km Il Sung. Couple this CIA doc with the BBC documentary, where we hear the words of Kim Hung Suk, who came from the same village as Kim Song Ju. When the Soviets were presenting the great and well known Kim Il Sung in Pyongyang shortly after the removal of the Japanese, they all expected to see a man in his 50's at least, not this person they already knew, known as Kim Song Ju, who was only in his early 30s. It seems we need to explore more on this topic. Could Kim Song Ju, before he was 18, have performed some of the exploits attributed to the famed Kim Il Sung at that time? Rockford1963 (talk) 18:41, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It’s a marginal theory that the academic consensus soundly rejects. To add more than we already have here would create a WP:UNDUE issue. JArthur1984 (talk) 19:02, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

hardly marginal at all. we have some sources that reject, and others that suggest or point to Kim taking the identity of an older partisan leader (such as Kim Hung Suk). There is more that needs to be put in the article, so the reader knows it is still an unsettled issue. Kim may have in fact taken the identity of another. Let the reader decide. Rockford1963 (talk) 20:07, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
from Britannica.com: "After Kim’s release from prison, he joined the Korean guerrilla resistance against the Japanese occupation sometime during the 1930s and adopted the name of an earlier legendary Korean guerrilla fighter against the Japanese." Rockford1963 (talk) 20:46, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Taking someone's name (if true) is not the same as taking someone's identity. As I've said, we already cover this in the article.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:41, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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Infobox Picture change?

Should Il-Sung's picture in the infobox be changed to the posthumous portrait of him which was released after his death? TheSupremeMoron (talk) 13:01, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, per MOS:IMAGEQUALITY. Kim's official posthumous portrait is an idealised, drawn picture of him. The current portrait of him in the infobox is an actual photograph taken of him while he was alive; as such a photo exists, there is no need to use a drawn picture. Yue🌙 21:14, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree his posthumous portrait should be used instead. Dankluxuries (talk) 03:28, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And can you give a reason for your opinion or are you going to be short on details like the throwaway account that started this discussion? Yue🌙 05:44, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the current portrait.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

False information

By the late 1950s and during the 1960s and 1970s, North Korea enjoyed a higher standard of living than the South, which was suffering from political chaos and economic crises. This unreferenced claim is blatantly false. Northern part of Korea was richer due to being more industrialized till 1948 yes. then after this monster launched the Korean war North Korea was always poorer. Though South Korea was indeed poor in 1950s had 24% unemployment rate. 126.151.199.191 (talk) 11:52, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This information is sourced.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the source which is a mere circular reference to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Republic_of_Korea a regime which only ruled modern South Korea till 1960 to begin with. So citing this article to claim that North Korea had better living standards than the South during 1960s and 1970s as this page does is baseless. Incidentally part of the reason I am emphasizing this is because this was the same propaganda misinformation told to over 900000 people that emigrated from Japan to North Korea primarily in 1959 and 1960. 126.162.136.105 (talk) 09:19, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry 90000+ not 900000+ 126.162.136.105 (talk) 09:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just so we are all on the same page, the sourced sentence in the article body that justifies the sentence in the lead you are disputing is:
By the 1960s, North Korea enjoyed a standard of living higher than the South, which was fraught with political instability and economic crises.[1][2][3]
The Wikilink to the First Republic of Korea (via "fraught with political instability and economic crises") is not the source(s) being referred to by Jack. The three references at the end of the sentence are the sources, and all three authors are Professors of History with PhDs and specialisations in Korean history and politics. I find it kind of odd you are so insistent that the ROK had a better standard of living than the DPRK in the 1960s and 1970s when the existing academic scholarship says otherwise. Where are you getting your information from? Would you mind citing some sources for your claim?

References

  1. ^ Buzo, Adrian (2002). The Making of Modern Korea. London: Routledge. p. 140. ISBN 978-0-415-23749-9.
  2. ^ Cumings, Bruce (2005). Korea's Place in the Sun: A Modern History. New York: W. W. Norton & Company. p. 434. ISBN 978-0-393-32702-1.
  3. ^ Robinson, Michael E (2007). Korea's Twentieth-Century Odyssey. Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press. p. 153. ISBN 978-0-8248-3174-5.

Yue🌙 16:56, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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