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Rotary wing

"35mm Skyshield, a German rotary wing air defense system." WTF is this? "rotary wing"? The system is mostly based on Swiss technology afaik, and the autocannon in question is the 35/1000, a revolver autocannon. Nothing rotary wing - it's "revolver". The project is German, but afaik most tech is from Switzerland (Oerlikon?). It uses the 35mm AHEAD cartridge.

Btw, much of the C-RAM and M-THEL stuff won't work well against insensitive munitions. Something like this should be mentioned. Lastdingo (talk) 23:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "rotary wing" phrase is likely in reference to the vehicle the system defends - not the defence system itself. It defends "rotary wing" aircraft - ie: helicopters. Roidroid (talk) 06:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Irom Dome is no longer a simple C-RAM

I have changed the wording of the Iron dome entry to reflect its completely different and greatly superior capabilities to these simple short ranged gun based systems that its being compared to. I suggest Iron dome be completely removed from this section. Happy to discuss Irondome (talk) 06:57, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Additions

What about the LCMR and WAVS? Robertvincentswain (talk) 05:01, 19 June 2014 (UTC). I added all the resent updates: Conrad. M. Shor @ gmail.com[reply]

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Clarification needed

What's the difference between a C-RAM system and say, the famous MIM-104 Patriot anti-missile missile system? There's some distinction made for the Patriot-like Iron Dome in this article, but the dividing line isn't explained. -- Beland (talk) 17:01, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's a matter of the range of the incoming munition. The systems in this article are defence against "rockets, artillery, and mortar" - that is, munitions fired from a range of a few km to a few tens of km (and thus arriving on target in a few seconds). So the significant part is the minimum range of the defending system - it needs time to detect, acquire, and strike against an incoming projectile. The Iron Dome article says its minimum range is 4km (closer than that, the projectile arrives too quickly for the Iron Dome system to work). The main Phalanx article shows it has a smaller minimum range of 2km; I'd imagine the other gun-type systems are comparable (but I don't think their respective articles say so). An infantry-portable mortar (e.g. L16 81mm mortar) can be effective at much closer ranges (as little as 100m), so all the systems described in this article will not defend against such attacks.
Patriot, in this role, is intended as an anti-ballistic missile, firing against long range targets travelling from 1000s of km away (and thus taking quite a long time).
In practice, there will be some overlap: the maximum range of Iron Dome might be less than the minimum range of Patriot. I don't know if they publish the minimum ranges of ABMs, as they're not intended to be used against targets so close that it would matter. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 17:49, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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