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Moving sub-categories

Moved from WP:CFDS

– – Fayenatic London 13:47, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Female composers by nationality to Category:Women composers by nationality –– C2C per Category:Women composers // Knifegames (talk) 07:03, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(The full list is not pasted here – see [1])

Comment – I don't know what the precedent is, but it seems odd to move the female categories that have a male equivalent (e.g. Category:Female rappers by nationality and Category:Male rappers by nationality). That would result in an uneven pairing. It feels like there's a different context between the categories that are simply divided into male and female subcategories and the ones that only have a subcategory for women. MClay1 (talk) 13:59, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- The cfd 2021 August 22#Category:American female classical composers is one of many precedents. Category:Writers is divided into Category:Male writers and Category:Women writers, to cite but one. Oculi (talk) 18:42, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Mclay1! The point here isn't to move anything or change a balance, just to use the word "women" rather than "female" in those category names, as in Oculi's example above. They linked one of the recent precedents, & there's another *here*. The main justifications listed are:
- Accuracy: per Wiki (see female); relatedly, per sex and gender distinction distinction, as pointed out by Marcocapelle *here*; and per age/naming conventions, as noted by John Pack Lambert and Dimadick *here* (that is, "female" categories can reasonably be changed to "women" because we don't use either to identify children––that's why we have options like Category:Child musicians).
- Consistency: category naming conventions began moving from "female" to "women" a while back, so we have a lot of C2D & C2C situations; e.g., until recently, there was a "Female musicians" category noting "The main article for this category is Women musicians."
The latter should make these pretty straightforward: given parent category Category:Women composers, the breakdown-by-nationality should be Category:Women composers by nationality. // Knifegames (talk) 20:43, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't necessarily agree with all that reasoning, but if we already have categories divided into male and women (however bizarre that is), then I guess this follows C2C. I would prefer there to be a larger discussion but I know there already has been several, and I don't intend to start another one. MClay1 (talk) 02:11, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed that it's bizarre; eventually the "male" categories will have to be dealt with, too, but *I* don't intend to start that discussion right now, either... Knifegames (talk) 04:54, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would support the move of composers category to "women", because most composers are not underage females. I am less certain about the singer categories, because child or adolescent singers (regardless of gender) are far from rare. Dimadick (talk) 19:06, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Accepted for processing. – Fayenatic London 13:47, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.