Talk:Abbas ibn Firnas

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Was Abbas ibn Firnas an Arab or a Berber? The article says both at different points? Ashmoo 00:01, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He was an Arab. Jidan 20:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No he was not. Historical Arabic sources say he was a Barber. One of the sources is

ابن سعيد. المغرب في حلى الغرب. ص81. from alawaraq.

--Lanov 23:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Like ibn Battuta who is called Al-liwaeti (Arabic attribution to the Berber tribe: Liwaeta (the Roman name: Laguatan) and which is supposed to be the same Egyptian and Greek word "Libu/libyans"). Ibn Firnas was called "Abbas ibn firnas attarkrni. The name firnas is not arabic, as far as i'm and attakrni is the arabic attribution to "tarkrna" an Andalusian tribe, which was a Berber tribe according to the ancient sources. Best regards! Read3r 15:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Almost the entire last half of this article is directly lifted from John Lienhardt's transcript of the "Engines of Our Ingenuity" episode covering ibn Firnas. Yes, the transcript is referenced at the end of the article, but I don't believe that referencing an article then allows straight plagiarism. Someone needs to clean this up.4.78.1.36 13:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]