Talk:Egyptian Air Force

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Early history

The early history section of this article was copied without acknowledgement from the identical pages at [1] and [2]. These pages are in very poor English - the writer has no grasp of tenses - and is rather jingoistic and not particularly accurate. Working from memory I have altered the early history sections but this is a temporary fix - someone really needs to do the job properly. Also something on the War of Attrition would be good.

and I shall see to its development.

Maybe the article need REW because: 1. "Egypt found itself attacking Israel with the British withdrawal from Palestine and the founding of Israel in 1947."

Maybe the British forces were withdrawing from Israel in 1947, but the withdrawal finished only in May 1948- and only then Israel was founded.

2. "The Egyptian Air Force contributed to this conflict with C-47 Dakotas and Spitfires, claiming two Israeli aircraft destroyed, although unfortunately many more Egyptian aircraft were lost"

POV

3. "After Nasser decided to nationalize the Suez Canal, Egypt got involved in a war with Israel, France, and the United Kingdom."

First of all, Israel declered war on Egypt because Egypt closed straits of Tiran- and it should but said here. Secondly, "got involved" is bad explanation for the situation - the meaning of closing straits of Tiran and naionalizing the Suez canal was a war - the leadership in Egypt, and Nasser knew it.

4. "These strikes were launched at 2 p.m. October 6 and were made without any air opposition from the Israeli air force"

It's not true. Please read 2-28 Air Battle.

well i did and i found the mansura air battle where IDF lost 18 sky hawks and Phantoms all by direct air-air fire while EAF lost 5 MIG-21MFs : 3-for fule run off , one by air-air hit and one because of the extremly neer distruction of an enemy plan , in man power only one fighter pilot died while god knows what happened to the IDF guys LOL , another fact that the total jets in the were 180 : 60 from EAF and 120 from IDF so EAF pilots were out numbered and out gunned thuse they made the enemy lose 2/3 more than them and far more economoic value for the jets and do u know the kicker ....the source is wikipedia the arabic copy of yom kippur war and acig pluse a national magazine "al-ahram" that is about the air -air conquest now to the air-ground targets that were believed to destroy 25%of the attacking warplanes for the destruction of 5% of targets while what happened was that 85% of targets were destroyed for the destruction of about 5% of the first attacking wave meaning that the first wave maneged to achive 300% of the expected targets for the loss of 20% of the expected loses!!!! and for the ground-air conquest well no need to tell LOL

Wikify and NPOV tags

I have added Wikify and POV tags, because:

- the syntax and grammar of this article should be improved.

- there is a pro-Egyptian bias,

- I don't have the knowledge to tackle the work myself.

(although I respectfully disagree with the critique of the term "got involved", as the vast majority of non-Zionist opinion is that Israel started the war by attacking Egypt - c.f. 1973, when Egypt started the war by attacking Israel, and I consider the article cited - "2-28 Air Battle" has a pro-Israeli bias and is liable to fall foul of the deletion police for being non-notable). Winstonwolfe 07:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article has vastly improved, well done. Tags removed. Winstonwolfe 05:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of EAF aircraft

While a list of current EAF aircraft is appropriate in the article, I notice it has expanded to include some "retired" types. Perhaps the authors would care to create a new List of Aircraft of the Egyptian Air Force, including all types operated historically; such lists exist for many other air forces.Winstonwolfe 02:28, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

dose anyone know whether or not Egypt and Mikoyan amended a deal fro the 40 Mig-29 SE's

i support your request and also want to add that putting the planes into groups accourding to type or rule shall be much better than putting them separatly

NPOV problems

This article is fanciful at best. Besides the complete lack of citations, it's full of wishful thinking about the EAF performance. It desperately needs a cleanup. Bartleby 03:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If egypt bought 40 Mig-29, why isnt it stated on the page of Mig-29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.135.34.10 (talk • contribs)

It didn't buy them it's negotiating. And who the hell removed the Battle of Al-Mansourah article?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.205.227.195 (talk • contribs)

I deleted it because it was copied verbatim from acig.org. Bartleby 21:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did u delete the 73 war article too ??