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InuYasha is the male protagonist!

I noticed that Kagome has been labeled as the protagonist, and InuYasha as a minor character. This is simply not true. I cannot stress this enough: InuYasha has TWO protagonists, Inuyasha and Kagome. The fact that Kagome is repeatedly mentioned as the main character is ridiculous, and is biased. Someone even had the nerve to put Kagome on the top of the character list! It seems to mostly be the work one user by the name of JRSpriggs. The articles about character roles in InuYasha need to be more accurate and neutral, it is misleading as is. -Mathew Williams 14:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to agree with JRSpriggs on this. Kagome is the main character. While Inuyasha is the second most important character, he is not the who the story is about. While recent manga chapters have centered around Inuyasha and his sword upgrades, Kagome is the one the story follows. Its her actions that set up the conflict in the story. She does belong at the top of the list. --Slotedpig 14:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Although I think that Kagome is the main character, I understand that many male fans are unable to accept the fact that a female is the main character. So I would be willing to leave it ambiguous. However, unfortunately someone has to be listed first, and it would a misrepresentation of the facts to list anyone before Kagome. See also the similar argument at Talk:Kagome Higurashi. JRSpriggs 09:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

No, both Inuyasha and Kagome are the main characters, just because Kagome takes the role of narrator, that doesn't make her the main character. Inuyasha was made for the male audience, and Kagome was made for the female audience. The story, is about, pretty much, THEIR relationship, so, there is no main character in the story. Both of them are "the main character." Although I suppose it would be easy to get confused because she is the narrator. The narrator though, isn't always the main character in a story. Besides, there is a tiny problem with saying Kagome is the main character, namely, the Manga and Anime serie's title "Inuyasha." If Kagome was the main protagonist, the show and manga would be called "the adventures of Kagome" or something corny like that. The fiction is named after the male character, but, the main female character is strongly involved. Therefore the story is about both of them, not one or the other. And of course there is Sango and Miroku also. Gotta love Miroku ;-)

206.63.78.97stardingo747 206.63.78.97stardingo747 —Preceding comment was added at 12:45, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

After InuYasha defeats Ryūkotsusei and learns to use the wind-scar at will and the back-lash wave, he says "I dare anyone to stop me now.". Kagome says "InuYasha. Sit!" and stops him. JRSpriggs 05:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

You know, I've avoided this discussion so far but "eponymous title character" is a pretty silly way to put it. InuYasha is one of the two main protagonists, the other being Kagome. Why should it be any other way?--Boffob 07:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The story is about Kagome. She is the only character whose dreams are shown on a regular basis. The action follows her (most of the time). InuYasha is subordinated to her. So in the terms of the article on Protagonist, she is the protagonist. InuYasha is the hero, but that is not the same thing.

As it says in that article, "A protagonist is a term used to refer to the figure or figures in literature whose intentions are the primary focus of a story. ... It should be pointed out that the protagonist is not always the hero of the story.". JRSpriggs 08:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

"or figures". Note the plural. My main problem with the intro as it is is that it pretty awkwardly tries to establish Kagome as the protagonist and appears to downplay InuYasha's importance. "Eponymous title" is pretty redundant, and characterizing his role as nothing else than the "love interest" of the protagonist places him almost in the same category as the title character of the movie Oscar. His relationship with Kagome is not what his role reduces to, so it'd be nice to mention that he's the hero of the story, as that can be a separate character than the protagonist, as you pointed out.--Boffob 15:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Just my two cents here but if Kagome is supposedly the main character of "InuYasha" then precisely WHY is the anime/manga called "InuYasha" and not "KaGome"?MightyKombat 13:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Another example which is more clearcut than InuYasha is Atlas Shrugged. The protagonist is Dagny Taggart. The hero is John Galt (Atlas Shrugged). But the title character (the character who is being compared to Atlas (mythology)) is Characters in Atlas Shrugged#Hank Rearden. JRSpriggs 03:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Can we agree to rewrite the intro to include the word "hero" somewhere and remove either "eponymous" or "title" in "eponymous title character"?--Boffob 06:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I replaced "eponymous" (which I did not like anyway) with "hero and". JRSpriggs 07:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--Boffob 15:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I am of the opinion that Kagome is the main character, but I really think it doesn't really matter. The words "Main Character" can be defined differently by different people. Can't we just say they both are the protagonists? Or this might turn out to be a edit war... BrianGo28 (talk) 04:43, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Kagome is the sole protagonist because she is the one who defines what is good or evil in the story. When InuYasha opposed her briefly, he was an antagonist, not a protagonist. JRSpriggs (talk) 08:23, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, please. This will get us nowhere. Even if you are right, there are still a lot of people who think that you aren't. If we're going to find a exact answer, the only way is to ask Takahashi herself. BrianGo28 (talk) 10:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Meaning of InuYasha's name?

Well, I was looking through the InuYasha pages and noticed something: In the main series article it says InuYasha means 'Dog Spirit' (Inu is Dog, Yasha is Spirit) While the article on the character says it means 'Female dog demon' (Inu is Dog, Yasha is female Demon). so i looked it up and, indeed, Yasha seems to mean Female Demon, but that doesn’t make much sense. It may have been the translator I used, but I’m not sure. Anybody care to clear this up? Kimitala (talk · contribs) 2:22 June 28 2007

Okay, nevermind someone fixed it. 69.123.126.4 20:04, 28 June 2007 (UTC)Kimitala

Popularity with kids and young teens?

In Japan I'm aware they air the show at 3:30 p.m., right after school, but, popular here in America with young kids and teens when it only airs on Cartoons Networks "Adult Swim" late at night? I wasn't aware American parents were so irresponsible these days......

Also, one more thing; the Shikon No Tama can not turn Inuyasha into a full demon. In the last episode of the series, the one in which they are trapped in that giant demon's belly, what the shard of the shikon no tama did, was make Inuyasha go beserk again. Now, if a shard could do that, then, that probably means that the full jewel will simply strengthen his Yokai side, which would then consume his soul. That tree yokai, where Inuyasha's sword scabard comes from, made it very clear, that a half-yokai can never become a full-fledged one. Meaning, that if Inuyasha tried to use the shikon no tama to become a full yokai, all it would do is strengthen his yokai side, which would then consume his soul. Basically, the shikon no tama would make it so that Inuyasha is transformed without having to be "backed into a corner." Naturally what everyone has in mind is that Inuyasha wants to be like his father, thing is, he is a half-yokai, and no power anywhere on earth exists that would transform him into a full-fledged Yokai.

We need to keep in mind the origin of the shikon no tama; it was formed from the battle between the priested Midoriko (a priestess, arguably, 100 times more powerful than Kikyo even) and her battle with tens of thousands of yokai whose souls still reside in the jewel, where the battle still rages. That basically means, that if Inuyasha were to use the jewel to becomea full-fledged Yokai, the shikon no tama would have the exact same effect as "backing him into a corner" a million times, enough times, to consume his soul. However, where he to use the shikon no tama to become human, Midoriko would finally win her battle against the yokai within the jewel. Inuyasha can use the the shikon no tama to become human because Midoriko is fighting against Yokai. For Inuyasha to use the jewel out of his love for Kagome lets say, to become human, he would in essence be using his human spirit against his Yokai half, thus becoming an ally of Midoriko. With such intent, therefore, its possible for Inuyasha to become human because the battle within the Shikon no Tama would extend to a battle within his own self.

Within Inuyasha, if his Yokai side wins, he becomes a murdering monster. Within the shikon no tama, if the jewel becomes horribly tainted, it then becomes a cursed talisman of sorts. Because there is a similar battle raging within Inuyasha as there is within the Shikon no Tama, for him to use it to become a full yokai would be to taint the jewel itself, and for him to lose his own soul. Inuyasha would become a full fledged Yokai alright, but he would be a yokai, as powerful as his father, but as evil as Naraku. In fact, were Inuyasha to use the shikon no tama to become a full yokai, no force on earth would be able to stop him; he would have the power of the "transformed" Inuyasha PLUS the shikon no tama. Even Sesshomaru would not be able to stop him at this point. However, in the process, he would lose himself.

In becoming human, his human side would "win" against the yokai side within himself, and, Midorko would have an "ally" in her war against the Yokai within the jewel. He can use the jewel to become a full fledged Yokai, BUT, he would not be the calm, controlled, near-emotionless Yokai his father was, or that Sesshomaru is, which is no doubt what the character has in mind. In becoming human though, he extinguishes his yokai half (which is actually a danger to him), Midoriko wins her battle against the yokai within the jewel, and both the jewel and Inuyasha's soul fully purified, the shikon no tama would cease to exist, and Inuyasha would no longer need the tessaiga to protect him. He would lose all his power, but, the price has to be considered; become powerful, but live a cursed existence destroying everything in his path, OR, let go of that power and be with the girl he loves.

Love, or power; its actually quite profound if you look at the series from that perspective because, sooner or later in life, every man is faced with that choice.

Love, or power; most of the time, you can't have both. Naturally later in the series Inuyasha will have to choose if he wants to become a yokai every bit as powerful as his father was, but of a murderous, bloodthirsty nature, or, the love of Kagome. Naturally if Inuyasha chooses the former and not the latter, Kagome and company, and his brother Sesshomaru, will probably to put him to sleep (no pun intended).

206.63.78.97 00:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)stardingo747

Black Pearl

Did I miss something? How come I have never read/heard of the so-called black pearl in InuYasha's eye?!?!? Anyway, the vague description is given in the List of Anime Episodes; episode #144, "Hosenki and the Last Shard." --HatchetFaceBuick 17:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The black pearl in InuYasha's eye was the portal to travel to his father's grave where Tessaiga was kept. It is from the beginning of the series so I have no idea why you'd even be looking at episode 144.--88wolfmaster 22:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

This is one of those things where the anime changed what happened in the manga. In the manga, Sesshomaru rips InuYasha's eye out to get the black pearl inside it (volume 2, pages 121 and 122). Then after they all return from the netherworld, the pearl is given to Kaede (page 186). InuYasha's eye gradually heals. In the anime, Sesshomaru magically draws the pearl out of InuYasha's eye without harming the eye. Later, the pearl returns to InuYasha's eye. I guess the change was made to reduce the level of violence for the television audience. JRSpriggs 05:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Sesshomaru does obtain the black pearl differently in the anime, but the general information is completely unchanged. The black pearl appears in the beginning of both the manga and the anime. --Mathew Williams 09:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Much later in the series (see the end of volume 30 or episode 144), when they are looking for a way to get to the nether world to recover the last jewel shard, InuYasha's group goes to Hosenki (creator of the original black pearl) in the hope that he can give them another pearl to allow them to reach the nether world as they did before. Unfortunately, that turns out to be impossible. JRSpriggs 04:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Is Inuyasha stronger than Inu no Taishou??

The reason im asking this is because when Inu no Taishou fought with Ryūkotsusei he was mortaly injured but when Inuyasha fought him he only had a few cuts. They both had Tetsusaiga and Inu no Taishou could use the backlash wave.So why did he get injured so badly.

this show's rating for young kids

Is this show rated for a sepcific age group of kids? I have a 10 year old daughter that begs to watch this show. I have said no, due to the fact that it comes on late at night. It would seem that if this show were intended for young kids, it would come on during the day, when kids should be up.

a concerned mom wwbluetizzy@yahoo.com

the anime is not as bad as the manga. i'd guess that most english dubbed versions that air on tv are rated at like 14+. Honestly, watch an episode or two yourself before you say no.--88wolfmaster 03:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The anime is rated PG in Canada. I'm not sure exactly what age group that would refer to, but 13+ sounds about right. The manga is better in terms of quality, but it is intended for older ages than the anime. The age rating for the manga is 16+. --Mathew Williams 20:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Inuyasha's Age

The official Inuyasha character guide, as approved by Rumiko Takahashi, states that Inuyasha looks and acts 15. Referencing his age from a website is not official. Please stop changing it because that age is not correct.--Slotedpig 15:58, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

The funny thing is that the website references the same book and also says that 15 is the right age. I have no clue why some people keep changing the ages of InuYasha characters on their pages. Maybe we should start putting vandalism warnings on talk pages of the culprits. EDIT: OK, after verification, that particular website states 17-18. Other character wiki articles (I think Naraku, for example) cite another webpage that correctly references the right book.--Boffob 16:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think anything will deter people from changing it. The fact the character book is out in English hasn't stopped people from insisting they know better than the official guide. At least its a simple change.--Slotedpig 17:04, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I actually edited the age part in the infobox; I took into consideration the request not to change it (in the hidden text), so I didn't, but merely added on to it. InuYasha is, in fact 200 years old. It was referenced in an episode (or movie) when they mention that InuYasha was born on the precise day that his father died due to wounds resulting from the Ryukotsusei battle (you can also see this happening in the third movie). It was mentioned in said episode that this was 200 years ago. I'm not sure where I got this from, but I will cite it very promptly.

Also, Shouldn't actual age in years be put above what age InuYasha looks like, even if Rumiko Takahashi approved it? Mizu onna sango15 21:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Thing is, the movies are part of a different continuity than the the anime and manga. Meaning they are not canon. Showers 00:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... I see. Still, the storyline doesn't differ drastically (referring to the Movies and chapters/episodes), and even if it isn't canon, couldn't the story and plot in the movie franchise go for the series as well? What difference does it make, does it necessarily have to be cannonical? Mizu onna sango15 02:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

It's because Rumiko Takahashi could disregard any story elements from the movies and filler episodes of the anime and contradict such elements in the manga. Heck, even the movies don't follow the anime. In the third movie, for example, Sesshomaru's arm that had been sliced through (at least in the anime) and cut off in his "true" dog form somehow reverts back into an intact human form arm and stays in between worlds until picked up by the movie villain. At the end of the movie, it sinks into hell while Sesshomaru says he no longer needs it. In the manga, Sesshomaru eventually got his arm back. In any case, all non-canon info from the movies and anime that are not in the manga should either not be put in the infobox or clearly labeled as anime or movies only.--Boffob (talk) 05:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Um, the anime says he was stuck to the Sacred Tree since Kikyo died, making him MUCH older then 15. If he looks and acts 15, it doesn't mean he is 15.207.14.79.87 (talk) 00:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

That's why it says "appears 15" in the infobox. It's clear that InuYasha is much older, but no canon material gives his actual age. The Official Character Guide states that 15 is InuYasha's apparent age (in looks, mentality and behaviour essentially) but does not state his age in terms of years from birth. So by Wiki's verifiability policy, the apparent age is the only age we can put in the infobox.--Boffob (talk) 01:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Images

You people are really making me mad, deleting all the images. What is up with that? Can someone explain to me why you remove the images. And there had better be another reason other than the copyright crap.Master auror 12:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)Masterauror

It's most likely due to WP:FU policy. Under the policy section 3a/3b. Although I didn't delete any images so Im not sure.Showers 12:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Does that "FU" stand for "Fair use" or "Fuck you" (joking)? JRSpriggs 03:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe both ;) Showers 02:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe that it constitutes fair use if we use an image of Inuyasha to demonstrate what he looks like and for "critical commentary". So why its being deleted I don't know. Tourskin 19:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Kinka and Ginka

I removed Kinka and Ginka from the relationships section. Other than similarities in the Sesshomaru/Inuyasha and Kinka/Ginka relationship dynamics, Inuyasha didn't have a relationship with them. Showers 20:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

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Created fair use rationales for the images used in the article Showers 08:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I see that you did both of them. Thank you. I had no idea how to do it. I hope they accept your rationales. JRSpriggs 08:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Did the first one on Nov 9th so I think it should be ok. We'll see. Showers 08:25, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Current infobox picture

The current infobox picture looks rather dull. Can we find one that shows more of his body, such as this picture from Episode 10, or something like this picture from the Grip! OP? -- RattleMan (talk) 04:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Ill admit its a little choppy looking but it gets the job done. If you're going to upload a new pic just make sure you give a proper fair use rationale. You would have to resize the first pic as well to give a proper resolution. (should be at around 0.1 megapixels or less) Showers (talk) 05:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Use of the word demon

I don't know who is always typing in the word "demon" in the article that was probably the third time I had to scratch that nonsense. The term "yōkai" is NOT equal to "demon". The term describes a far broader category of supernatural creatures that in fact do not have to have supernatural origin, but just became supernatural during their existence. The word may involve demons but to translate "yōkai" with "demon", is a very rough translation and in many cases far more than just incorrect. And if the word is used in the English translation of the manga or anime so keep in mind, that its incorrect. So please everybody who is working on this site: stop this, it really doesn't help and it's not adequate for wikipedia or any other kind of dictionary.--Inugami-bargho (talk) 14:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

InuYasha and other yokai are called "demons" in the official translations of these works. And "yokai" is not an English word, that is, most English speakers would have no idea what it means. Even if "demon" does not quite catch the exact meaning intended, it is still better than a meaningless string of five letters. This is the policy which has been accepted by almost all editors of articles about InuYasha. JRSpriggs (talk) 20:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC) P.S. Wikipedia is not a dictionary; is it an encyclopedia.

Then I'd rather add a link to Yōkai rather than fix it to demon... I'm from a country right next to Japan and I know how different they are. BrianGo28 (talk) 04:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't really mind if demon is used instead of yokai for most of the text, but it would be very appropriate to mention yokai with a link at least once, say in the intro, because of the cultural distinction between the Japanese yokai and the modern western definition of demon.--Boffob (talk) 04:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)