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Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)


I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Multi-licensed with the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike License versions 1.0 and 2.0
I agree to multi-license my text contributions, unless otherwise stated, under Wikipedia's copyright terms and the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike license version 1.0 and version 2.0. Please be aware that other contributors might not do the same, so if you want to use my contributions under the Creative Commons terms, please check the CC dual-license and Multi-licensing guides.

Thanks for the edit

Thanks for fixing my BIRN redirect. Sometimes we get a little blasé about standard WP constructs and get it completely wrong. Repeat after me: "Always use Show preview... "Always use Show preview..." — Dizzley (Peter H) 06:32, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

User:Humanbot update 08 June 2005

Version two-two released today includes in that green box a nice count of how many articles are left. This more or less co-incides with the event of hitting only 1000 articles remaining. Also, I have re-arranged the User:Humanbot page to make it easier to get to the right stuff. Progress charts, wikicookies, wikilove and a more thorough spelling check is promised when this is completed. (and also when the exam pressure eases off a little on me) r3m0t talk 17:40, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC) Note: If you think this message was too trivial for a mailing, tell me and I'll stick to more important announcements on the list.

User:Humanbot update 13 June 2005

The spelling2 project (to work on secondary namespaces) was opened and finished. Progress charts will be available soon.

Version six-three tracks who made the edits, and rankings are available. Much of the work was done while I was asleep, explaining my low place ;).

The next project, which may even be released today, will probably fix incorrectly capitalised headings, particularly "See Also" and "External Links".

The mailing list has grown to 24 people and while that is very nice for my ego, it is rather difficult to send out updates. This is why I did not send out a notice that the spelling2 project had opened. From now on, then, you must watch User:Humanbot/announce for updates. r3m0t talk 12:03, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Coloration/colouration

Hi, just noticed the bot edit in the Green Pug article changing "colouration" to "coloration". I'm fairly sure there is a policy in Wikipedia of not changing "British English" to "American English" (and vice versa of course) and "colouration" is accepted usage on this side of the pond and seems reasonable in an article on a species not found in America.

I have no hang-ups about "American English" and I shall not be reverting the article (I don't have the time or energy for a revert war). However I will never use the spelling "coloration" (which looks really weird to me!) in any further articles. Hope I'm not appearing really petty, not my intention. Peace! Richard Barlow 09:27, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Culture, Society, Technology, Science portals

Trevor, thank you in advance for what you are planning to do to these portals. Please feel free to make changes. One of the problems is that the Society portal is really Human societies, just like the Life portal is really Personal Life. But there is a Society article page, which complicates things.

I notice that someone else is working on the Geography portal.

Once these portals are complete, we have a case for using the portal links as our entry to Wikipedia (after suitable consensus, of course). That was my motivation for working on the portals. But I had to start somewhere, and the expertise you can bring to bear will be much appreciated. I will be gone over the weekend, but then I will be able to contribute, in the lines that you have in mind. Regards, Ancheta Wis 11:14, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Archaeology portal

Sorry if I seemed a little curt - feel free to have another go at re-organisation as you know far more about wikicode than I do. adamsan 8 July 2005 06:53 (UTC)

box portal skeleton

I asked a question for you at WP:TFD. Dragons flight 05:05, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

Aircraft specifications survey

Hi Trevor! You haven't listed yourself as a participant of WikiProject Aircraft, but since I've noticed you doing quite a lot of aircraft- and aviation-related work around here, you may be interested in a survey currently underway to help develop a revised version of the WikiProject's standard specifications section. --Rlandmann 01:35, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much

I've just noticed you going through and cleaning up Air Traffic Control. I've been meaning to do this myself for some time now, but have never really got up the heart to start that monumental task. Just wanted to drop a line and let you know that it is ENORMOUSLY appreciated. -Lommer | talk 01:51, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No prob dude. There's still lots out there.Trevor macinnis 02:01, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aircraft Questions

I was just creating an article for the Partenavia P.68 using the framework from other aircraft when I ran into a couple of terms I wasn't sure of. First the loaded weight. I've not seen that before and wondered if you knew what it referred to? Second the ferry range. Is that the range at maximum crusing speed or the range at economical crusing speed? Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather 12:46, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Loaded weight means exactly what it sounds like: the weight of the plane when loaded (with fuel, payload etc.). This is not a very useful number because the plane could be fully loaded, partially loaded or purposely empty and all these could be the "loaded weight". The correct thing to use would be Maximum gross take-off weight, which is set by the manufacturer.
Range is very subjective. Different stats are published depending on what they want to showcase. For example. The de Havilland Caribou's range is given as "with maximum payload and reserves", showing how far it can carry cargo, while the Bellanca Airbus's range is given with "maximum fuel" and no payload. I prefer the one with the fuel for ferry range, as "flight for range" is defined (for pilots) as an aircraft being flown for maximum range, with the objective being to fly the greatest distance possible per unit of fuel consumed.Trevor macinnis 15:26, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. What I did was to define the range (Bell 212) so that it's a little more obvious what is being stated. It's still not totally clear as the aircraft could be loaded or empty. CambridgeBayWeather 22:31, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Year proposal

Hello there, thanks for the ping. I'd recommend a three-line taxobox, not a 7-line one; use lightly-colored background color in table rows, rather than whitespace and headers. But kudos on wanting to update all the year articles; they need a consistent look and feel . +sj + 21:40, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I tried my hand at it. See what you think...
Good thing your survey, thanks for alerting me. I have had a look and vote. In general I think the year pages need a serious clear out with lots of stuff moved to some subpages: they are unwieldy, repetitious and hard to read. --BozMo|talk 14:20, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What the heck are you doing?

What the heck are you doing to April 2005 Trevor? Month pages always have links to stop people adding in phoney unsourced stories. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 02:31, 31 July 2005 (UTC) [reply]

You certainly shouldn't start doing something like that without putting something up on the talk page first to see if anyone has any objections. Average Earthman 12:11, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa, ok, I guess I touched a nerve here. I thought I was doing right by paring down an oversized, bloated page. I suppose sources are good for verifying facts on a page but this is certainly not the standard. If you look to previous months, the further back you go the less individual items are sourced. Does that mean that everything on April 2003 should be removed as unproven hearsay? I don't think so. Does that mean that we need to go back and find external web pages that show that everything on April, 2005, 2000s, and 21st century is proven fact. No. The way wikipedia works is: people post whatever they want and the edits either stays or is changed/removed if someone finds a problem. I think the reason these month pages look the way they do is because they were original the Current events page, and people treat that page as a "Breaking news" repository. Thats what Wikinews is for!

Take these sourced events for example:

April 29

April 28

April 27

April 26

April 25

Five sourced items for the same event! And if you look at the souce it's 26 lines long (on my screen). I can barely read it if I want to edit it. I didn't even look into May 2005 but I bet there are more there.

Or how about this:

April 28

A lot of leader visit a lot of countries, why is this noteworthy?. Does the source say?

Or:

April 26

Is this the first time this has happened? The last? Did the outside world even notice?

April 22

Rumors abound? This is a fact is it. Well, rumors abound that this page is way too big and it needs a reduction.

My proposal:

1. Remove sources from the page (after it is no longer the current events page, I'll leave you news junkies that much).

2. Remove multiple enteries from the page. The event is notable. The slow increase in casualty counts is not. Put the final count at the originating entry when its final, or update it accordingly.

Start with this and the page may get down to a reasonable size (135 KBs! Come on!).

Ok now. Thats why I did it and I'll post all of this to the appropriate talk pages.

Trevor macinnis 13:57, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

hey man

Hey Trevor. This has nothing to do with the wikipedia. I just wanted to drop you a line and this was the only place i could find ya. you can email me @ darkzedd@hotmail.com if ya want to.

andrew H from chdhs and smu

Year survey

I saw it on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years. Gdr 00:27:21, 2005-08-03 (UTC)

Cleanup Taskforce reminder

Greetings. You are receiving this boilerplate notice because you have a task on your Cleanup Taskforce desk that has not been updated for over 30 days. If you do not wish to complete this task please assign it to another Cleanup Taskforce member who has space on their desk. If you do not wish to receive cleanup requests on your desk any more, you may remove yourself from the membership list. If you or someone else has completed the task, you can close it by adding {{cleanup taskforce closed|ARTICLE NAME HERE}} to the article's talk page and removing it from Wikipedia:Cleanup Taskforce. If you have a status update (e.g. you intend to work on it in the future) or need help, you can update the collaboration page (which is linked from your desk). Also feel free to reply to the person who left you this message. -- Beland 03:57, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment/vote?

In your CCOTW "vote" [1] you signed under "Comments", but left no comments. I take it you accidentally put your vote in the comments section? Please clarify. :) …Markaci 2005-08-7 T 20:12:23 Z

Grouping boxes

The only way to get boxes to group properly is to code all the boxes you want to group as cells, and put the table tags either side of them (or use {{start_box}} templates). To prevent the boxes from stacking sideways you can use clear: right;, or even better, class="infobox", which has this property set. For some examples of infoboxes that multiple templates see the LUL boxes at the bottom of Baker Street tube station or the Mountain infobox on Matterhorn. ed g2s • talk 23:29, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Centurybox

I'm just wondering how Template:Centurybox has its width determined. Eg: at the template page, it takes up the full page width, and on century pages, eg: Twentieth century the template is only about 60% page width. --Commander Keane 14:48, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

The template size is determined by how much text is in the box. On the template page all that variable stuff { {{{cpa}}}00s {{{cpa}}}10s etc } takes up more room than 1900s 1910s, etc does on the 20th century page, so the box expands to fit it all. - Trevor macinnis 16:09, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Airline Infobox

Trevor macinnis, can you hide empty lines for the frequent flyer program, parent company, focus cities, and alliance. If you could that would be GREAT! TorontoStorm 16:27, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Piping in disambiguation pages

Trevor,

I can see the value of not piping in disambiguation pages. For titles of artistic works, however, I feel that it is necessary, especially since they will be italicized. For example, the album America isn't titled "America (album)". Since piping is available to us, I think we should use it in those cases. I've made comments on this issue on talk page of the dab style manuel. -Acjelen 19:26, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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