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Mimivirus proteins

"Mimivirus can make its own proteins" <-- This entire article and specific statements such as this need to be supported by citations to the biomedical literature. --JWSchmidt 13:37, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

syncytial organisms?

A quick google book search shows plenty of references where professional zoologists call protozoa either 'noncellular' or more commonly 'acellular'. this in reference no doubt to their syncytial organization. why is there no mention of this in the article. if this isnt going to be included then at very least 'acellular' should not redirect here. just-emery (talk) 22:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you are going to erase my edit then I think I at least deserve a response. just-emery (talk) 23:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It does not matter how many nuclei any given slime mold cell may have, IT IS STILL CELLULAR. Regarding your second request, ciliates are cellular too; please see: Ciliate#Cell structure. Cheers. BatteryIncluded (talk) 20:04, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? ciliates are multinucleate and lack cell walls between nuclei. thats syncytial. now obviously you are defining 'cellular' as anything that is enclosed within an outer cell wall and that would include syncytial organisms. I dont deny that. But it is a fact that some professional zoologists refer to syncytial organisms as 'acellular' (as a simple google book or google scholar search will show). This is obviously a slightly different way of looking at the definition of 'cellular'. I am not arguing one way or the other. I simply believe that, since 'acellular' redircts here, we owe it to the readers to provide them with a link to the appropriate page. Lemmiwinks2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC).[reply]

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=syncytial%20acellular%20-vaccine&lr=&sa=N&hl=en&tab=ps Lemmiwinks2 (talk) 20:45, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

http://books.google.com/books?q=syncytial+acellular+-vaccine&btnG=Search+Books Lemmiwinks2 (talk) 10:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

>Huh? ciliates are multinucleate and lack cell walls between nuclei. - Lemmiwinks2

Again: It does not matter how many nuclei any given cell may have, IT IS STILL CELLULAR. If some biologists nickname syncytia "acellular", please feel free to add quality references to your entry. Thank you. BatteryIncluded (talk) 02:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Up till now you've been quite rational about this. I gave you a link to a google scholar search and to a google book search that shows many many such references. whether they are cellular or not obviously just depends on ones definition of 'cellular' which just depends on how you look at it. English can be quite ambiguous sometimes. it is an established fact that some zoologists use the term 'acellular' when refering to syncytial organisms. since acellular redirects to this article I believe we owe it to the reader to provide a link to the article syncytium and a short explanation (at the very least).

also where are you getting 'threadlike'. ciliates are not threadlike. it would not surprise me though if syncytial worms passed, at some point, through such a stage as you describe.

I really dont think that we are as far apart on all this as you may be thinking we are. I hope we can work together to make this a better article. Lemmiwinks2 (talk) 09:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Virus & Viroid

Virus & viroid are the only non-cellular "life" known so far. All other enries should be deleted, as the needed references to support such claim are not --and will not be forthcomming. BatteryIncluded (talk) 18:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deletions

Deletions: Virus & viroid are the only non-cellular "life" known so far. Most listed entries were phage vectors (viruses) or nucleic acid fragments. Nucleic acids are not vested with life just because they may code information.BatteryIncluded (talk) 20:52, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]