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Leaving the Nation of Islam

I am trying to learn why he left, especially why there was apparently such rancor against his leaving. These sentences are not helping me: After he left the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X began to articulate his own views. During the final year of his life, his philosophy was flexible, and it is difficult to categorize his views on some subjects. Some of the themes to which Malcolm X frequently returned in his speeches demonstrate a relative consistency of thought. This strikes me as obfuscation, intentional or otherwise. Do we know what aspects of Nation teachings he rejected? Rumiton (talk) 14:22, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to clarify the article over the next few days. In short, Malcolm X rejected the idea that the Nation of Islam's teachings were Islam and that Elijah Muhammad was a holy man. He also rejected the view that white people were devils; he said that people should be judged by their actions, not by the color of their skin.

Part of the rancor toward Malcolm X was due to his incessant public criticism of Elijah Muhammad. Leaders of the Nation of Islam described him as a traitor who was worthy of death, and many NOI members agreed. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, that's interesting. If we can express it that succinctly without straying from sources, the article will thank us. Rumiton (talk) 14:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

It still reads as confused. I don't know enough about the subject to work on it myself, but I am happy to help. Rumiton (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I think the Independent views section is causing the most confusion. With other editors' agreement I would like to work on it. As I know little about the subject, my revision will be a test of the article's coherence. Rumiton (talk) 09:48, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

For those Watching this page

I have opened a RSN case on the Bruce Perry Book as it smells funny to me It can be found here Weaponbb7 (talk) 04:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 04:30, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Meeting King Faisal

The Autobiography of Malcolm X, Chapter 17, apparently tells us that King Faisal lent him a car to do his Hajj with. Did this happen without their meeting? (Just asking.) Rumiton (talk) 09:11, 12 August 2010 This is the link again: (UTC) http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/malcolmx/section8.rhtml Rumiton (talk) 10:45, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Malcolm X met Faisal's son during his hajj (April 1964), but I can't find any source that indicates Malcolm X met Faisal during the UN general assembly meeting in September 1960. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 17:10, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, but it seems strange that the king lent him a car for a journey on which he met the prince, but he never met the king himself. Rumiton (talk) 10:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I just re-read the relevant portion of the Autobiography. Malcolm X did meet Faisal as well as his son during his hajj. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 19:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I added it (perhaps a bit clumsily) to the pilgrimage section. It could use a page number and a tidying up. Rumiton (talk) 14:03, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Lede image

I think the current lede image is not the best image available. The current shot is up his nose, and not a good image for the lede IMHO, though it works well with the gunshot holes image below. I would like to see if anybody else thinks the one with him looking to his right, and seated is better for the lede. — GabeMc (talk) 04:54, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing myself. The previous photo was not only better technically and aesthetically, it was also infinitely more recognizable. I would bring it back and move the new photo to somewhere amid the 1964-65 section. SteveStrummer (talk) 05:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Let's see what Malik thinks first. — GabeMc (talk) 05:21, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't really care which pictures are used. When the article was promoted to featured status, it had this picture in the infobox, which happens to be from the press conference at which Malcolm X announced his departure from the NOI. But as I wrote, I'm not partial to any particular image. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 19:15, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Can we get this image reversed so Malcolm is right facing? — GabeMc (talk) 00:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

It's not a good idea, it's kind of meddling with evidence. Left-right orientation can be important. Rumiton (talk) 10:12, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Name in Arabic all wrong

Arabic is read from right-to-left. Even so the way the name is written in Arabic does not match how it's been written here in English even if you read the Arabic backwards. The Arabic reads: الشباز الحاجّ مالك ‎(=El-Shabazz El-Hajj Malik) where as the English says it is "El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz" (= الحاجّ مالك الشباز). After meddling with the page a bit I've come to the conclusion it's a problem with the line break that arises depending on the size of the window. Decreasing and Increasing the size of the window I've found that the order of the names are correct at a certain width, but wrong at others. I don't write Arabic script on the computer so I'm not sure how to fix this. Perhaps some other editor knows what to do. Rlinfinity (talk) 16:42, 20 November 2010 (UTC)