Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-02-10 Radio Maryja

Request for cabal mediation

Request Information

Request made by: Milicz 05:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Where is the issue taking place?

...Radio Maryja, Talk:Radio_Maryja#Mediation

Who's involved?

...User:Ksenon Ronabop User:Moa anbessa myself

What's going on?

...Ksenon reverts and deletes all factual criticisms of the users (even if they are labeled as such) in the article, claiming they are all liberal media smears.

What would you like to change about that?

...I have included Ksenon's counter-criticism's, even though they have no factual backing, but he simply deletes any negative written about Radio Maryja claiming it is POV, while pushing his own POV. I would like this to stop.

If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?

...

Comments by others

Please see Matusz's summary on the article's talk page, which is cool and level-headed, as well as any other relevant discussion therein. All criticisms are there, they just "dont jump up and bite you" (to quote FG) like in Milicz's version. Anyway, whoever reads this, hop over and judge for yourself. Ksenon 06:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Please show me specifically where those criticisms are, because looking at your version of the article, they're just not there. Are you trying to be coy? Do you mean the links? I join your plea to have someone hop over and judge for themselves.--Milicz 21:55, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

A whole paragraph is dedicated to them, as well as half the external links. Ksenon 22:38, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

You mean this paragraph?:

Controversy

Radio Maryja represents a viewpoint that is represented by very few media in Poland. It concentrates chiefly on social problems, as well as the strong influences of the post-communist-turned-liberal elements in the country following the Round Table Agreement. It is also opposed to homosexuality in a fundamentalistic and ubiquitous form (See: Homophobia). These points do not fit into the secular lines of the mainly liberal and post-communist media, sparking virulent attacks on the radio, its listeners and its founder, by means including falsitude and manipulation, as the recent TVN program, "Rydzyk's Empire", shows, where it was proven that the material was fabricated and used for propaganda purposes. This stance has resonated beyond Poland's borders, as the following BBC story shows [4], where the radio's opponents accuse it of xenophobia, anti-semitism, and nationalism. The radio, however, refutes these arguments saying the views of some of its listeners on air do not reflect its policy. As far as the nationalism charge, it maintains it is tied to a national identity and promotes national cultures as opposed to globalised monoculture.

This paragraph only presents Radio Maryja as a victim. Your arguments are hollow when they're devoid of accuracy.--Milicz 18:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, it's the belligerent one here right? Funny how the whole "Radio Maryja question" popped up after one of its supporters, John Paul II, died,a nd after it dared to support the -victorious- political party (based on Christain values). Makes you wonder, doesnt it? Nevertheless, all criticisms are there. Ksenon 23:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with JPII, and who cares who they support. I've done the work of pasting the paragraph, please do everyone a favor and show them WHERE the criticisms exist, because for the life of me I don't see them.--Milicz 23:18, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Read the paragraph you posted, and you shall find them. Theyre not hidden behind any fancy masquerades. Ksenon 23:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)