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Hello, Doncram. You have new messages at Ammodramus's talk page.
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dab page William Black House help

Help needed to create, at William Black House (and to have William Black House (disambiguation) redirect to that location), of disambiguation page containing, more or less:

William Black House may refer to:

• William Black Family House, Brinkley, Arkansas, listed on the National Register of Historic Places (NRHP) in Monroe County
• William Black House-SDM-W-12 Locus A (CA-SDI-4669), La Jolla, California, NRHP-listed in San Diego County
• William L. Black House, Hammonton, New Jersey, NRHP-listed in Atlantic County
• William Black Homestead, New Cumberland, Pennsylvania, NRHP-listed in Cumberland County

See also

• Black House (disambiguation)

{{disambiguation}}

Will appreciate help creating this, just create the article please... --doncram 00:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

dab page Niobrara River Bridge help

Need help creating Niobrara River Bridge dab page, with approximately:

Niobrara River Bridge may refer to:

• Adamson Bridge, near Valentine, Nebraska, also known as Niobrara River Bridge and as NEHBS No. CE00-227, listed on the National Register of Historic Places (NRHP)
• Bell Bridge, near Valentine, Nebraska, also known as the Allen Bridge and Niobrara River Bridge and NEHBS No. CE00-22, also NRHP-listed
• Berry State Aid Bridge, near Valentine, Nebraska, also known as Niobrara River Bridge and as NEHBS No. CE00-225, also NRHP-listed
• Borman Bridge, near Valentine, Nebraska, also known as Niobrara River Bridge and NEHBS No. CE00-224, also NRHP-listed

{{disambiguation}}

And there may be more to add. In addition, it will make sense to add a section about bridge crossings to the Niobrara River article, but the dab page is still needed, as these are multiple bridges of exactly this name apparently. Will appreciate help by someone just creating the dab. --doncram 01:15, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, Doncram. You have new messages at Ammodramus's talk page.
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This was about William Black House, a disambiguation page. It was since created. --doncram 00:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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This was about Women's Improvement Club of Hueneme. It was since created. --doncram 00:13, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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j⚛e decker^talk 20:15, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

It sure looks like the Arbcom decision wass a great one (sarcasm intended)

Its grossly apparent that the Arbcom decision to make Doncram go through Articles for creation for all of his submissions was another in a long line of bad decisions. This shows, that not only did the case have little merit (since virtually every single one are being accepted) but that it is a huge wasted of the already stretched time of the Articles for creation process. I really hope that someone at AFC steps up and mentions to the Arbcom that this is a waste of their time to continue to do this. Not only that but its leaving a whole lot of unnecessary redirects like Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Miller Hotel behind that will need to be cleaned up at some point. Kumioko (talk) 20:19, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kumioko. Thank you for your interest and support. I don't wish to dispute the resolution of the arbcom case, which is largely working. In particular I have appreciated being free from drama of AFDs, ANI incidents, etc. that were routinely opened and were dragging me and others down. The arbcom decision included provision that I could appeal the restriction on article creation after one year (and I think implied that I could not appeal that beforehand). The AFC process has tools that make it relatively easy for reviewers and has a pool of reviewers not previously involved. I don't welcome having to create some different process, though I don't rule that out. Thanks. --doncram 11:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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j⚛e decker^talk 02:13, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

NE help

Others' help to finish out articling a swath of NE would be appreciated, by helping develop any a item and/or moving, at any time, any a item to b mainspace location, among:

• Morrill (4 of 8) ne morrill info
  • a001 to b001
  • a002 to b002
  • a003 to b003
  • a004 to b004
  • this to Rush Creek Battlefield
  • this to Mud Springs Station Archeological District
• Garden (2 of 6)
  • a005 to b005
  • a006 to b006
• Cherry (1 of 13)
  • a007 to b007
• Holt (7)
  • a008 to b008
  • a009 to b009
  • a010 to b010
  • a011 to b011
  • a012 to b012
• Deuel (4 of 5)
  • a013 to b013
  • a014 to b014
  • a015 to b015
  • a016 to b016
• Grant Cty: User:Doncram/Hotel DeFair to Hotel DeFair
• Loup Cty: this to Pavillion Hotel (Taylor, Nebraska) and
  • this to Thomas and Mary Williams Homestead
• Box Butte Cty (4 of 4):
  • this to User:City of Alliance Central Park Fountain
  • this to Box Butte County Courthouse

Lee and Gottliebe Fritz House

• Sheridan Cty (6 of 10)
  • this to Sheridan County Courthouse (Nebraska)
  • this to Colclesser Bridge
  • this to District No. 119 North School
  • this to Lee and Gottliebe Fritz House
  • this to Gourley's Opera House
  • this to Loosveldt Bridge
• Dawes Cty 10 of 15
  • User:Doncram/Chadron Commercial Historic District to Chadron Commercial Historic District
  • User:Doncram/Chadron Public Library to Chadron Public Library
• Kimball Cty (4 of 4)
  • this to Wheat Growers Hotel
  • this to Maginnis Irrigation Aqueduct
  • this to Gridley-Howe-Faden-Atkins Farmstead
  • this to Fraternal Hall (Kimball, Nebraska)
• Cheyenne Cty (12 of 12)
  • this to Sidney Historic Business District
• NE counties already articled: Grant, Banner, Brown, Rock, Keya Paha. --doncram 16:11, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

other NR help

• Humboldt (10 of 12)
  • c1 to Golconda School
  • c2 to Winnemucca Hotel
  • c3 to Winnemucca Grammar School
  • c4 to W.C. Record House
  • c5 to US Post Office-Winnemucca Main
  • c6 to Paradise Valley Ranger Station
  • c7 to Micca House
  • c8 to Humboldt River Bridge
  • c9 to Last Supper Cave
  • c10 to Adorno Station
  • c11 to Applegate-Lassen Trail
• Grant (2 of 10)
  • c12 to Sumpter Valley Railway, Middle Fork–John Day River
  • c13 to Supervisor's House No. 1001
• Gilliam (2 of 3)
  • c14 to Silas A. Rice Log House
  • c15 to S.B. Barker Building
• Klickitat (5 of 10)
  • a0 to b0
  • a0 to b0
  • a0 to b0
  • a0 to b0
  • a0 to b0
• Sedgwick (2 of 2)
  • c to Sedgwick County Courthouse
  • c to Union Pacific Railroad Julesburg Depot
• Phillips (4 of 4)
  • this to First National Bank of Haxtun
  • this to Phillips County Courthouse (Colorado)
  • this to Shirley Hotel
  • this to W.E. Heginbotham House
• Yuma (3 of 4)
  • this to Boggs Lumber and Hardware Building
  • this to Lett Hotel
  • this to Walter and Anna Zion Homestead

Knocking down states

• Nevada...down by TheCatalyst31 & me
• Kansas just needs 3...down by TheCatalyst31 & me
  • Cheyenne Cty, KS (2 of 3)
    • this to Cheyenne County Courthouse (St. Francis, Kansas)
    • this to Henry Hickert Building
  • Morton Cty (1 of 1): User:Doncram/Morton County WPA Bridge to Morton County WPA Bridge
  • Sherman Cty, KS (5 of 5)
    • this to Mary Seaman Ennis House
    • this to Goodland City Library
• New Mexico just needs 3:
  • Union Cty, NM (8 of 10)
    • this to Union County Courthouse (New Mexico)
    • this to Luna Theater
    • this to Eklund Hotel

Knocking down darkest blue:

• Sanpete Cty, UT (needs just 1)
  • This to Peter Hansen House (Manti, Utah)
• Cache Cty, UT (needs 2)
  • this to George Bradshaw House and Joshua Salisbury/George Bradshaw Barn
  • this to Elite Hall
• Beaver Cty, UT (needs 4)
  • this to George Albert Bradshaw House
  • this to Beaver Relief Society Meetinghouse‎
  • this to Meeting Hall or maybe Meeting Hall (Beaver, Utah) with a Meeting Hall (disambiguation)

• Carbon (need 19 of 214, or just one big combo)
  • a0 to b0
• Duchesne (need 4 of 37)
  • a0 to b0
• Summit (need 5 of 109)
  • this to Thomas L. Allen House
  • this to Bogan Boarding House
  • this to James Cassidy House
  • this to Echo Church and School
  • this to Park City Main Street Historic District
• List of RHPs in WY only needs 3 to rollover to 60%, say:
  • this to Atlas Theatre
  • this to City and County Building (Cheyenne, Wyoming)
  • this to Deming School

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Women's Improvement Club of Hueneme, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:25, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Commons category template

Consider using {{Commons category}} when appropriate. This will allow you to eliminate the External Links section in some of your submissions. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:41, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion, but the use of the external link is deliberate for Nebraska articles. Specifically you've noticed my using an external like "More photos of the Holt County Courthouse at Wikimedia Commons", included in the User:Doncram/Holt County Courthouse article. This is per discussion with User:Ammodramus, whose view is that the Commons category box is not the most helpful. I tend to agree, in part because the box appears way low and to the right, below the NRHP infobox, in short NRHP articles. This is discussed at User talk:Ammodramus #Dry Valley Church pics, still an open discussion. You're welcome to comment there. Not sure if this could/should be usefully discussed elsewhere; I tend to think not, as this is just about a couple users preference to use something better than the standard commons box, in a limited series of articles. --doncram 16:57, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Consider creating a template for this external link. The presence of a dedicated template will prevent most editors from saying "why did he do it that way," and the template's /doc page can explain things in more detail and provide links to the discussions you mentioned above. If you need me to move the template from user space to template space, buzz me on my talk page. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:35, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Using {{Commons category-inline}} would let you format the Commons link as a standard external link, FYI. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Good point, davidwr, i'll do that... er, and wow, thanks, Thecatalyst, i'll use that going forward. Have just done so for my current drafted articles (which I am hoping might get reviewed today, for silly reason that it would allow them to be counted in today's update to nrhp "progress" map, hint. i am done for today myself, now). This is of wider interest for other NRHP articles, too. Thanks! --doncram 08:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Please don't mind if I jump in here. TheCatalyst131's suggestion doesn't address my principal problem with the Commons template, which is that the phrase "Media related to X" doesn't convey all that much meaning to the average WP reader. The "More photos of X" phrasing that Doncram and I have been using seems much clearer and more specific about what the reader will find at the Commons category. Ammodramus (talk) 00:12, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

That's more a problem with the intended vs. practical scope of Commons, though. In theory Commons can host most media types, but in practice the vast majority of files on Commons are photos. It seems like there's been a gradual move to emphasize the non-photo media hosted by Commons (e.g. the change of the "Image" namespace to the "File" namespace), but that hasn't changed the fact that for most categories (and particularly NRHP ones) every file they have will be an image. There should be some kind of template for articles that will probably never have other kinds of media, IMO, but I don't know of one that currently exists. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:39, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Try this:

• Generic: Doncram
• Specific example: Holt County Courthouse

If that is too plain, you can add text before or after it, or even (possibly) put it in the infobox.

If you and Ammodramus come up with some boilerplate text that you like, consider making a NRHP-Nebraska-specific template for it.

davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 01:08, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

5 articles speedily moved into mainspace

Re: Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review  Done

• User:Doncram/Garden County Courthouse to Garden County Courthouse
• User:Doncram/Schuetz Log Cabin to Schuetz Log Cabin
• User:Doncram/Morrill County Courthouse to Morrill County Courthouse
• User:Doncram/Golden Hotel (O'Neill, Nebraska) to Golden Hotel (O'Neill, Nebraska) and fixed up disambiguation page Golden Hotel
• User:Doncram/Camp Clarke Bridge Site to Camp Clarke Bridge Site

Please {{db-user}} the leftover redirects if you no longer need them.

For each, I make sure the talk page was correct, fixed up categories, and if there was a link to a commons category I changed it to the template form and moved it to the top of the reference section. Because it shows up "on the right" it may not show up "in" the references though. Any remaining empty "external links" section was deleted. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!! I've started adding a "for Talk page" section at the bottom of new articles drafted, too, to save a few moments time with each Talk page creation. At this writing there are now 2 more articles in the category (and constantly updating value is now 0 articles in Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review). I've replied about your commons category comment in section just above. Thanks, sincerely, again for your assistance. --doncram 17:03, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

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Martin Anderson House, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:02, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Used wrong name

I am so sorry but I saw your name then crossed it with Mangoes. I corrected it which goes to show trying to do anything but sleep when wore out can be a mistake. Otr500 (talk) 03:55, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

NRHP - Arkansas

As the NRHP expert, I wanted you to know that someone sent in 15 images of NRHP locations. I uploaded them, added an NRHP category, added them to National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Saline_County,_Arkansas and the related articles if they exist. There were a few additional pictures not on the list or not clearly on the list, so I noted this on the talk page.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 20:09, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, i don't know if you mean u or me as being some kind of nrhp expert? I am not an expert. :) Anyhow, i actually am interested in "doing" an Arkansas county or two, because it is one of few states that has not a single fully-articled county. I was thinking about National Register of Historic Places listings in Pike County, Arkansas because it has relatively few NRHPs -- and i started one article there recently, but I'd be happier working where there is some local interest and especially happier to work where there are pics available. Saline county is where Bentonville, home of Walmart, is, and would be more salient generally. So I guess i'll switch to that. Thanks for calling it to my attention! --doncram 20:50, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I meant you, not me. Yes, I was hoping that if you had a few pics, it might influence where you might turn your attention. I'll let the person that donated the images know.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 21:00, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Great! Please do let the person know, and that they're welcome to contact me, and to follow what develops at the Saline County NRHP list. We, broadly, really do want to encourage contributions of more pics and of writing too, and in this case at least I am happy to be responsive to what a contributor is giving, especially as it ties into something i was wanting to work on anyhow. Cheers, --doncram 21:04, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Dr. James Wyatt Walton House, related to Sam Walton??? --Nope

Happily TheCatalyst31 is also helping in the county, adding Arkansas Historic Preservation info to several already existing articles and starting new ones. I'll list any that I draft, here:

User:Doncram/Dr. James Wyatt Walton House to Dr. James Wyatt Walton House

--doncram 20:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

The photographer asked me to pass along:

"Bentonville, Benton County, Arkansas, is the home of Wal-mart in the NW corner of the state; however, the photos I took are in Benton, Saline County, Arkansas, just SW of Little Rock in central Arkansas."--SPhilbrick(Talk) 12:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, oops, well I refuse to be ashamed of my ignorance, starting in.  :) We'll get more informed by working the NRHP articles in the state. Seems like we have a ways to go. :) Thanks! --doncram 12:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the corection though. And being a central county is better to work on. --doncram 03:59, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, to do list:

• this to Shoppach House
• this to Royal Theatre (Benton, Arkansas)
• User:Doncram/Rucker House (Bauxite, Arkansas) to Rucker House (Bauxite, Arkansas) (who woulda thunk there'd be other places named Rucker House??)
• User:Doncram/J.W. and Ann Lowe Clary House to J.W. and Ann Lowe Clary House
• and more, out of 18 in total

--doncram 03:59, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

May 19 batch of 5

 Done

• User:Doncram/Elite Hall to Elite Hall
• User:Doncram/Hotel DeFair to Hotel DeFair
• User:Doncram/Humboldt River Bridge to Humboldt River Bridge
• User:Doncram/Peter Hansen House (Manti, Utah) to Peter Hansen House (Manti, Utah)
• User:Doncram/Dr. James Wyatt Walton House to Dr. James Wyatt Walton House

davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

DEFAULTSORT for NRHP articles

I noticed you use frequently use a DEFAULTSORT of lastname, honorific firstname middlename, House. Is this an established convention or is this something you made up? I ask because if it's not an established convention, see Wikipedia:DEFAULTSORT, Wikipedia:NAMESORT, and Wikipedia:SORTKEY. --Sphilbrick 04:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I haven't particularly thought about it but use it because Elkman does. I think Pubdog asked me to include it in some drafts, too, not sure. I don't have any big opinion about it. Either way perhaps it should be addressed in NRHP style guide, if you do bring it up for discussion elsewhere. --doncram 12:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Could you or another active NRHP editor bring up the issue in a place where most other NRHP-active editors hang out? Until/unless there is a consensus to use a particular DEFAULTSORT and that consensus is documented somewhere, every now and then someone will ask "why is it done this way" and they might start deleting them. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 22:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

There are actually probably 5,000 or so NRHP articles having this, guessing from about 30,000 NRHP articles being created so far. I don't see it as a likely problem that someone would start deleting the defaultsorts. This has to do, also, with the funny way that the NRHP's NRIS legacy database recorded listings, e.g. as "Lastname, Firstname, House" or "Lastname, Firstname house" so that it would, itself, be sortable by key name. In Wikipedia we can use defaultsort so that items show up in sensible order in a category, and we can use our own choice in ordering in the NRHP list-articles (indexed at List of RHPs), where we do use the lastname of course. Thanks for your concern, but I am not going to open a discussion anywhere unless/until it seems to be a current issue. --doncram 22:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

You can also add sort keys to individual categories. For templates that include categories (including most or all HRHP stub templates), you can modify the templates to take a custom sort key, much like {{WPBiography}} has a listas= parameter. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 22:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review

Hi Doncram, I've just cleared out Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review. Sorry I forgot about it for a couple of days, I've been busy. If it happens again feel free to drop me a message at my talk page. Oh, and thanks for adding the AFC talkpage banner into your submissions its even easier for me to create now :) Pol430 talk to me 19:12, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Good, i'm glad you like the AFC talkpage stuff...i'll return to adding that for new articles, to be included optionally by you and other reviewers (including some who do not identify so much with AFC some who don't actively choose to credit AFC as this process is not explicitly part of AFC, or others who do not identify so much with AFC, which is okay too). And thanks also to Davidwr who has likewise cleared out a couple batches. Thanks. --doncram 21:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

P.S. There are currently (continuously updated) 0 articles in Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review....

I identify with AFC, I just see your submissions as going through a special, custom review process, not AFC. That's all. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 21:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, i reworded what you just responded to. I do recognize you as a great contributor to AFC and to this personally helpful process, too! Thanks! --doncram 22:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for keeping a cool head and persevering to wiki improvement in controversial articles related to South Asian countries. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:37, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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new e-mail Lvklock (talk) 23:58, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

New Mexico articles

I'm looking through the articles you have for review, and most of the New Mexico articles are almost entirely sourced to the NRIS. For instance, De Baca County Courthouse only has one sentence about the TR nomination that isn't based on the NRIS, and Eklund Hotel only has a sentence about another property that isn't based on the NRIS. Given that the NRIS has reliability issues, I'm not sure those articles are ready for the mainspace yet. I can provide more specific comments on the talk pages, but this seems to be an issue with several of the drafts. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 22:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, you're right those are short. The items you are referring to are just these 5:

• User:Doncram/Harding County Courthouse / User talk:Doncram/Harding County Courthouse
• User:Doncram/De Baca County Courthouse / User talk:Doncram/De Baca County Courthouse
• User:Doncram/Eklund Hotel / User talk:Doncram/Eklund Hotel
• User:Doncram/Luna Theater / User talk:Doncram/Luna Theater
• User:Doncram/Union County Courthouse (New Mexico) / User talk:Doncram/Union County Courthouse (New Mexico)

There are not NRHP nomination documents available for these (I tried), and I start the articles before web-searching for other sources, then found in several of these cases there were not other great sources showing up in the web search. So, including NRIS plus a Thematic Resources document reference is about all that is feasible for several of these, at first. NRIS alone actually suffices, technically, in my view, and NRIS + Thematic Resources provides a good start for any local, in my view. But it's fine by me if you choose not to promote any, yourself, and please do give specific comments at their Talk pages if you like (start a talk page as needed). In general I am not going to be starting a lot of such articles and only do so for a specific reason (perhaps silly reason here of getting 3 NM articles to pass a threshold, and I started a couple extra exactly because I found I had doubts on what was available for a couple of the first ones); it is obviously more productive to work where NRHP docs are usually available. Thanks! --doncram 23:07, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

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Architects

How do I get a list of NRHP and other notable works of architects? I am having trouble finding a good list of works for Pittsburgh architect Thomas Hannah. His Keenan Building/ Midtown Towers ‎(1907) is pretty interesting in and of itself. Thanks for your help. Candleabracadabra (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

For NRHP-listed works, I suggest using this query, with "Hannah". In its output i see one possible NRHP-listed Hannah work: Andrew Carnegie Free Library (Carnegie, Pennsylvania), 300 Beechwood Ave. Carnegie, PA (Struthers & Hannah). You may discern others within the output. That is a report based on NRHP listings up to a certain date in 2011. --doncram 02:21, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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You want to weigh in here, you're much more familiar with this kind of thing then I am. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 15:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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Because Orlady is apparently unable to, I'm talking to upon myself to notify you about this request at Arbitration Enforcement. 22:10, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Orlady has opened an Administrative Enforcement action against me, and posted here (http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADoncram&diff=556483621&oldid=556461313 this diff) and I removed it already. Thanks for ensuring I am informed. --doncram 01:18, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

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davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

A few more NRHP submissions accepted

• Box Butte County Courthouse (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• De Baca County Courthouse (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Eklund Hotel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Golconda School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Harding County Courthouse (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Last Supper Cave (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Luna Theater (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Rose & Peterson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Previously moved by Joe Decker (talk · contribs) (I removed the special category):

• Winnemucca Grammar School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 14:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

• I did not add {{WikiProject United States|class=Stub|importance=Low|UT=yes|UT-importance=Low}}) to Talk:Eklund Hotel, as it is in NM not UT. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 14:04, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! And, oops, thanks for noticing and removing that erroneous Talk page suggestion. Thanks for helping me and for advancing the coverage of architects and of NRHP-listed historic places! And, these ones met a silly deadline, happy to have them done. --doncram 14:11, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

8 down, zero to go

• Morton County WPA Bridge (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• removed {{WikiProject United States|class=Stub|importance=Low|UT=yes|UT-importance=Low}} - not Utah
• Fixed issues with quoted material raised by a draft-stage comment.

• Paradise Valley Ranger Station (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• removed {{WikiProject United States|class=Stub|importance=Low|UT=yes|UT-importance=Low}} - not Utah

• Phillips County Courthouse (Colorado) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Shirley Hotel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Union County Courthouse (New Mexico) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• removed {{WikiProject United States|class=Stub|importance=Low|UT=yes|UT-importance=Low}} - not Utah

• Winnemucca Hotel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Mary Seaman Ennis House (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Lee and Gottliebe Fritz House (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• removed line about Delaware as it is not relevant.

• Micca House (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• removed {{WikiProject United States|class=Stub|importance=Low|UT=yes|UT-importance=Low}} - not Utah

• Mud Springs Station Archeological District (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• removed {{WikiProject United States|class=Stub|importance=Low|UT=yes|UT-importance=Low}} - not Utah
• "significance dating to 1856" -> "significance dating to the mid-19th century" per comment on talk page made prior to article's move to the main encyclopedia
• It is now linked (via a redirect, Mud Springs Pony Express Station) from Pony_Express.
• Added a wikilink to the caption of the Pony Express route map.

Feh! About removing a fine comparison of Sheridan County, Nebraska vs. the U.S. state of Delaware.  :( For anyone else interested in creative comparisons of sizes of things, i am currently quibbling about Victoria Park, Los Angeles, whether it may be larger than 10 or more countries by population. Thanks davidwr for your help including these feedback comments. --doncram 17:21, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm curious, did these make your deadline? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 19:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

New "progress" status chart, which seems to be updated each Friday (and this will change)

Yes, mostly. As seen in "progress" status chart-map at right, if compared to previous week's one, the Kansas and Nebraska state-wide colors flipped one shade lighter blue, leaving just South Dakota having less than 20% "articled". That was the main "goal" i was working on this last week, i guess, though i had other goals of achieving dark red color for various counties (some achieved). If you look in detail at the map you can see a snaking red line of counties joining up more and more in the West. Also per the progress county-by-county and state-by-state tabulations at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Progress, Nevada was close to flipping from light blue to beige, i.e. to coming across the 50% threshold. If the three Nevada items above (Winnemucca Hotel, Micca House, Paradise Valley Ranger Station) had been processed sometime before 21:00 o'clock yesterday, that threshold would have barely been passed and been reflected in the chart-map. Your posting here was at 23:00 o'clock, presumably just after you processed all 8 above. Your approval of several New Mexico and Kansas ones, earlier, (together with User:TheCatalyst31, who was also focused on the Kansas-flipping goal, creating a bunch of Kansas articles separately from this) made the difference in those states flipping over. It's unpredictable when editor Dudemanfellabra will run the script to update the tabulation and then generate the updated chart-map, seems to happen anytime Thursday or Friday whenever D gets to it, which is fine. Having Nevada set up to flip next week is fine, too. :) If anyone wants to comment that this is silly, driving editing efforts to flip colors in a map, well, sure.... cheers, --doncram 20:16, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

P.S. Also the Mud Springs Station Archeological District one would have connected the snaking line through Nebraska and Colorado. It will be fully connected next week, maybe down to Kansas? And, this is surely good stuff, to have significant coverage of historic sites, everywhere, covered with some good info for locals, for travelers, for whomever. Where there's now an article, often with link to full NRHP nomination document, then anyone with a smartphone can take a photo to add to the article, and be fully informed about the place while on the spot (which greatly informs quality of photos, ensuring important details, extra buildings, etc. can be captured). We're working in general to support a big world-wide photo drive, Wikipedia Loves Monuments, that will happen again in September. --doncram 20:30, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Here's an idea: Pick some long, wind-ey historical paths, like Route 66, the Pony Express route, or the Trail of Tears and try to get those counties as red as possible as fast as possible. Or at least get all of the registered places that are relevant to those paths created. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, to work on all the NRHP listings of a certain type, like stagecoach / Pony Express stations, is something i've done before on other topics. E.g. List of Masonic buildings, List of Presbyterian churches, many other lists. It gets a bit tiresome though to build out all of just one type of thing.... Recently, i've been mapping out corridors that will display in the weekly "progress" map, just for fun since that is new. --doncram 22:17, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Victoria Park, Los Angeles for deletion

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Per a discussion on WT:WPAFC, I'm dropping the "talkheader" template on future moves unless there is actual discussion going on. Ironically, the discussion disagreed with my recommendation, which was to keep the header. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:15, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

User:Doncram/First National Bank of Haxtun

Clarification need on the first sentence of User:Doncram/First National Bank of Haxtun. What do you mean it "includes Georgian Revival"? Do you mean it is built in the Georgian Revival style of architecture, or that it includes significant elements from that style of architecture? There is an important difference. I have removed Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review, please restore it when the draft is ready. Thanks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:40, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Another well-meaning (WP:AGF) editor reverted my changed to this submission. I intend on reverting his change and asking him to discuss the issue here if he wants to revert again. I can live with the word "building" not being in the final version (although IMHO it would be clearer if it were kept in). In any case, the submission will not be ready until the clarification above is complete so another editor's restoring the "ready for review" category is not something I can let stand. Only you will know when it is ready. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 17:01, 1 June 2013 (UTC) Update: See here for notification to the editor of this thread. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 17:10, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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You may want to use the {{rp}} template if you want to save people the trouble of digging through a multi-page reference that is used more than once and which the page number differs between uses. It is placed after the </ref> or <ref name=blah /> template. {{rp|s8p1}} displays as . See Gourley's Opera House for an example. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:43, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I have used the rp template many times; i think i kinda should probably always use it or another way of giving a specific page number when I include a quote from an NRHP document, but I haven't always done that. I have not seen usage like you suggest, with "s8p1" to indicate page 1 of section 8; i woulda used just "5" to indicate page 5 out of the PDF document; I'll consider using that section and page number approach. In some longer Multiple Property Submission documents and other documents, there can be a page numbering in the document that is quite different from the PDF page number; I have been ambivalent about which page numbering to report from sometimes. Thanks! --doncram 13:27, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

4 drafts moved

• W. E. Heginbotham House
• Thomas and Mary Williams Homestead
• Gourley's Opera House
• J. W. and Ann Lowe Clary House

In some of these I had to make some edits. I would encourage you to look at the edit histories of each to see what I did. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 21:11, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Please watch the talk page templates

I let a couple of mistakes get by and another editor fixed them. As a result I (and probably others helping you who see this message) will have to take longer for each of your drafts until I am (we are?) comfortable that they are free of mistakes. See http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Harding_County_Courthouse&action=history and http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:De_Baca_County_Courthouse&action=history .

Please go back and make sure your recently-moved articles have accurate talk pages and double-check new submissions before putting them into the "ready for review" category. Thanks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 23:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, point taken. I just fixed the states for those 2, and found four other recent submissions to fix also. Is there any really significant difference between Nevada, Nebraska, New Mexico, anyhow? Kinda like Iowa being an alternate pronunciation of Ohio, per some New Yorker cartoon.  :) And... these weren't errors in mainspace, and I rather suspect Vegaswikian was just amused to "decline" those for Nevada. :) Anyhow, attention focussed (focused?). --doncram 23:39, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I was just dropping by to let you know I fixed some as well. MOstly pertaining to Arkansas or Utah. No big deal really but just try and be careful. There are a lot of haters out there looking for a reason to block another contributor. Try not to give them a reason. They don't really have enough to do with all the backlogs in all the admin areas. :-)Kumioko (talk) 20:03, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, there are a certain number of Haters. I rather think that is the biggest problem for Wikipedia as a project, that it attracts and enables persons for whom bullying / vindictive / revengeful battling is a character trait they can develop and inflict upon others. To the Hater(s) watching, don't take this as a comment about you personally, please, i mean the other ones. (This message tailored to avoid commenting about any other editor, so as to avoid f***ing hypocritical "no commenting on other editors" policy of wikipedia, generally inflicted by bullies who are, of course, commenting on other editors.) --doncram 11:11, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

AE result

Per this discussion at WP:AE and your warning of 4th April, you are hereby reminded that comments on contributor rather than content may result in the imposition of sanctions. Gatoclass (talk) 10:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Could you provide a link or something as to what contributory comment you are referring too? Or is AE now just leaving periodic reminders? Kumioko (talk) 20:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I was wondering the same thing until I looked up a few lines and saw "was just amused to" and figured "that must be it." davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 21:47, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

That's what I was wondering too but then I thought to myself it must be something else because that was too petty of an issue to even mention unless they are looking for a reason to block him. Which is quite possible frankly. Kumioko (talk) 23:13, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Or, WP:AGF, they were being a friend and cautioning him before someone with an agenda did. Kind of like two friends in a restaurant and one has a history of alcohol-related problems and the other insisting he not order that 2nd drink. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:46, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

This was the comment in question.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 03:15, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm still not seeing a problem. Maybe a little edgier than it could be but nothing that would merit an AE IMO. But the AE is closed now anyway so its pretty much over. Kumioko (talk) 03:19, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Possible resource for Utah-related articles

"Relief Society Hall". Utah State History. Retrieved 2013-05-30. is the text of the historical marker for Relief Society Hall. You may find this site to be useful for other Utah historical sites. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Knocked off 2, many more to go

I moved User:Doncram/Adorno Station and User:Doncram/George Albert Bradshaw House. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:07, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I think there are 12 or so currently ready to be approved, if u or anyone else agrees. FYI, FWIW the 3 wyoming ones (Atlas Theatre, City and County Building, and Deming School) would bring WY over a 60 percent threshold; the Adorno Station and a few other Nevada ones would bring the snaking line of red progress through Humboldt County, Nevada, and I mildly am interested in these being approved before the Friday "progress" map comes out. Nevada as a state will already pop over the 50 percent mark. Cheers, --doncram 11:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: words of encouragement

Thank you. I tremendously appreciate your feedback and consideration. It has been nothing short of frustrating to get the flow of misinformation corrected and make the general public more aware of what the neighborhood includes and contains. Your note regarding a past LA Times reporting problem which has since been corrected is encouraging, and also points to the real value that Wikipedia holds in bringing common knowledge to light.

I recently uploaded my first self-shot photo to the Harvard Heights page, and in that vein plan to photograph some of the known historic cultural monuments in the neighborhood, including the Ray Charles studio which you suggested. It's just a matter of finding the time. I absolutely agree that they could further illustrate the importance of what the article emphasizes. Thanks again and I look forward to any other feedback you may have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harvardheightshpoz (talk • contribs) 17:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Henricus

Hi! I saw the note you put on the nrhp errors list for Henricus. I wanted to change "per a local who knows the area" to "per an editor who knows the area" since I never actually stated where I stay now. But I thought it might be rude to change a signed comment myself. Can you please do that? Thanks! Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 02:02, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, okay, sorry, I definitely don't want to reveal personal info or to pry in any way. Thanks for asking me to revise my note; i have just done so. Thanks again also for your pointing out there must be an error in our list system. The process of raising an issue and having it discussed at a central discussion, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#Henricus, seems to have worked out well this time. Do you know of any other errors? If so, perhaps you could edit directly at wp:NRIS info issues VA. --doncram 12:19, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Mississippi is such a beautiful state.

Cheers. Richard Apple (talk) 17:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Article review

I moved several of the articles in Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review into the mainspace. I also removed the category from User:Doncram/Grant County Courthouse District; it doesn't explain the significance of the district or mention any of the buildings in it, and it won't be ready for the mainspace until it's expanded. Also, in User:Doncram/Deming School, you have the NRHP listing date as "19", which should be fixed; I'm also a bit concerned about having a whole paragraph of that draft made up of quotes from the nomination form. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:01, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your moving several articles and for your attention to these two. I've revised both of these two. I had meant to add a bit more to the Grant County one but must have been interrupted or something; it's now expanded. And the "19" was meant to be "2005", now fixed. I don't happen to agree that there is any problem with quoting from the NRHP nomination document about why a place is NRHP-listed; that is an eminently appropriate thing to do. In conjunction with a lot of bullying-type behavior raising criticism on any point possible against me previously, I recognize that some tried to trump up ridiculous-in-my-view criticisms on the appropriate use of quotations. Not one of these criticisms has ever been held to be reasonable, except within hysterical ridiculous ANI discussions that should be entirely dismissed, as far as I recall. If you yourself are unsure, given the past hysteria, please go ahead and get some consultation. In this case the text is:

According to its NRHP nomination, it was deemed significant for "its direct association with the growth of education in Cheyenne" and "as an example of Art Deco architecture with elements of the International style in an educational building and as the work of a master architect, Frederick Hutchinson Porter." The building "is a substantial brick masonry structure built with community pride and permanency in mind, and which incorporates the standard designs advocated by early twentieth century educational reformers."

Plus the inline reference at the end. Which is fine and good. In fact i think it is very good to convey some of the NRHP nomination language. The term "built with community pride and permanency in mind", for example, is distinctive language that adds to the quality of the article for readers; it conveys the flowery, promotional tone of the NRHP document. I would not want to rewrite that into boring prose avoiding the document's language; that would detract from the quality of the article.

If you think a page number is needed in the inline reference, though, that could be added, I would agree, though I think the referencing is pretty clear and adequate already. Thanks again for your attention and caring on all points. --doncram 16:17, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

First of all, if half of an article is just direct quotes from the NRHP nomination, it's not really original writing, which is both a potential copyright problem and detracts from the quality of the article. If people want to see the exact language in the nomination form, they can click on the reference and read it. Second of all, while I'm all for well-written and interesting articles, including the promotional language from the nomination forms isn't the best way to accomplish that. There are ways to write an interesting article without using peacock terms to describe it; it's fine to quote a few with the disclaimer that other people think this, but they shouldn't be the main description of the builiding. I'll wait for a second opinion on Deming School, though whoever reviews it should be aware of this discussion. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:46, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

It is absolutely not a copyright violation. If you or someone else care to write the article differently, for your own personal taste reasons, that's okay by me. I happen to think the selection by me of quotes, and other writing, is a fine and "original" work, itself. But anyhow, it is absolutely not a copyright violation, to include quotes about why a place is NRHP-listed from its NRHP nomination. No way jose. --doncram 22:11, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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User:Doncram/W.C. Record House

Moved to W.C. Record House.

Question: Is "House" considered part of the "proper name" of the place? If not, it should be made lowercase. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:21, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is part of the formal name, which is W.C. Record House. Thanks!! --doncram 03:22, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Wachovia Bank and Trust Company Building

I saw the building mentioned in coverage of the Winston-Salem centennial and decided it was about time the building had an article. There's not much there so far since I don't live in Winston-Salem and don't go there often enough to do real research, but you seemed to be interested in the topic.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 17:51, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I guess. You're using Emporis as a source, which I am not familiar with however. And I am not sure that the building is individually listed on the National Register. There is a "Wachovia Building" built in 1963 in International Style that is NRHP-listed. And I see this now appears in National Register of Historic Places listings in Forsyth County, North Carolina. However it does not appear in the NRHP database list that I am consulting. Could it be a contributing building within a historic district that is NRHP-listed? I do appreciate that you provided a nice article as a contribution, but I am just not immediately sure that all is well. :) --doncram 23:05, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

The NRIS lists it as "Washovia Bank and Trust Company Building" (#84002306). Possibly a spelling error?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 23:09, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Ah, thanks! I added a note about the apparent misspelling to wp:NRIS info issues NC#Property names and I also just edited the article a little, to show the corrected name in the NRHP infobox and to make some other small changes. All is well. :) --doncram 00:04, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

A lot to say here.

First of all, I have used Emporis for a lot of contributions on Wikipedia. I just have to assume it's reliable. I even tried to get them to change something and they insisted on a source before they would do anything, so that's a good sign.

Winston Tower was built in 1966, not 1963. I wouldn't say my article is a "nice article" as the research would seem to require a lot of work on the part of someone who can actually spend time at the Winston-Salem library. I go there every few months. I have an uncle who is a big-shot lawyer but I doubt he'd have time. I appreciate your small contribution because I didn't know what to do on that.

As for why I contacted you, you commented on the Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Forsyth County, North Carolina about this very building, so I figured you were the one to ask for help. As for the other buildings, they were listed as tallest in Winston-Salem on the Emporis site. One site I found said they added the additional story because they didn't like being second. I don't know that I will get around to the other buildings. I just saw this one mentioned in conjunction with the centennial celebration coverage in the Winston-Salem Journal.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:12, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Oakley High School Stadium

Oakley High School Stadium completed. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 01:21, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

F&M Bank

I looked through the history and you seem to have an interest in this. I was wondering what the best way was to inform people I am sending them to yet another disambiguation page.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:29, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay, that works.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:55, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay, good, i was going to comment here, but i gather you already approve of my revision of F&M Bank to link to 2 other dab pages. And i am working to improve links from the Farmers and Mechanics Bank (disambiguation) one.... Thanks, --doncram 20:58, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm a little concerned. Regardless of whether F&M Bank in my area passes the notability test (It might not, but a historic renovation and their historic past headquarters might help), that is what it's called and I feel kind of strange calling it "Farmers & Merchants Bank (Salisbury, North Carolina)".— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 15:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, this is a good start. Now whether it passes Wikipedia's standards or not I can't say. And I have to do further research which requires being at one specific library. There are many details left out of the sources I used, and updates needed on various projects. But I'd appreciate someone having a look.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 16:46, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

That's about User:Vchimpanzee/Farmers & Merchants Bank (Salisbury, North Carolina), an article currently in your userspace as a draft. It looks fine to me; holding it while you do the further research is okay, but i think it is ready for you simply to move it to mainspace, and you could continue to develop it there. It has sources and seems obviously notable to me. Or you can click "submit" in the header in the draft article and have it submitted to the generally helpful Articles For Creation process, where I predict that a reviewer would approve it (but also could make further suggestions). I do think that Farmers & Merchants Bank (Salisbury, North Carolina) is the right name for the article. The parenthetical town location is needed for disambiguation. I'll add mention of it to the Farmers & Merchants Bank disambiguation page already, now.

FYI, I would put the User:Doncram/Farmers & Mechanics Bank (Middletown, Connecticut) article into mainspace myself, but am not allowed to do so currently due to an editing restriction having to do with a long and horrible past dispute (also partly settled by an interaction ban that prevents an editor from following me). So my article anyhow is being submitted under a review process and won't be in mainspace right away, though in my view it is also obviously wikipedia-notable topic and valid as an article. It's your choice to use the wp:AFC or any other review process; you are not required to use it. Cheers, --doncram 20:47, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I appeciate your comments. I'm not ready to move this since I need to do some further research, and I'm not sure what the minimum standard of notability for banks is. Hopefully the historic buildings involved in their big project will help put this bank over the top, plus they have a historic building where they started. I once had an article tagged for a bank larger than this one. It's still there. I only created it to add to the disambiguation page.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 15:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Farmers and Mechanics Bank (Middletown, Connecticut)

I deleted the redirect you made from Farmers and Mechanics Bank (Middletown, Connecticut) to your draft. In the future, please don't make any more of these; in addition to cross-namespace redirects from the mainspace being a bad idea in general, it gives the impression that the article is ready for the mainspace when it hasn't been approved yet. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:58, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay, whatever, well could u please watch Farmers and Mechanics Bank dab page, which is technically wrong too until the article is approved. Or approve the article. Thanks, --doncram 00:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Speaking of the article, the only source it has is from a blog-like site that appears to let anyone post things. I'm taking it out of the "ready for review" category until it has more reliable sources. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:49, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

This is about User:Doncram/Farmers and Mechanics Bank (Middletown, Connecticut), which I am sure really was a bank and really is a valid wikipedia topic.

I am not previously familiar with Patch.com myself, but I see in searching at reliable sources noticeboard that it seems to be a valid local news source, with paid professional journalists, albeit low-paid. See patch.com and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 76#Using Patch.com as a Reliable Source and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 88#patch.com as a reliable source. I am putting the article into the Articles for Creation system with a comment referring to this discussion and you can comment there if you wish, or open a RSN discussion, or whatever. Thanks. --doncram 07:05, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Gosper County Courthouse

Gosper County Courthouse done. Minor changes made to city and county articles now that this exists. Dewikilinked architect as it was red and there was only 1 other article that mentions the architect so it's not likely there will be an article soon. If I'm wrong, go back and fix it after article exists. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:37, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. The architect would be Kearney, Nebraska architects McClure & Walker, which has been mentioned in the Elwood, Nebraska article since October, 2009, apparently. It's an architect firm that has at least two works listed on the National Register: Gosper County Courthouse and Kearney National Guard Armory, 1600 Central Ave., Kearney, which is currently a redlink, maybe I'll start it at User:Doncram/Kearney National Guard Armory and see if more info about the architect comes up in its sources. It's fine by me for the architect topic to be a redlink or not linked, either way. Again thanks. --doncram 07:15, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

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Sumpter Valley Railway, Middle Fork-John Day River

Sumpter Valley Railway, Middle Fork-John Day River created. Sumpter Valley Railway, Middle Fork (John Day River) Spur is a redirect to it now. You can create additional redirects as needed. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:24, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I moved it from the NRHP NRIS name, which seems like a typo, to Sumpter Valley Railway, Middle Fork (John Day River) Spur successfully just now. Leaves redirect behind. Thanks! --doncram 02:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

User:Doncram/Echo Church and School - needs work

I took User:Doncram/Echo Church and School out of the "ready" category because the sentences

It is asserted to be "the only church or school ever built in the community of Echo."[2]:6 However, see Echo School, at 3441 S. Echo Rd. in Echo, also NRHP-listed.

need to be re-written because Echo School is an article about a school in another state. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:29, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Considering that the assertion is wrong, is there any point in leaving it in the article? TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:42, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I didn't notice that Oregon one, did not want to link to that. Fixed the link in the article to avoid that. A dab page is needed. I just moved the Oregon school article to make way for disambiguation. Was referring to what should be named Echo School (Echo, Utah), which is NRHP-listed. See National Register of Historic Places listings in Summit County, Utah, for example. Could you (or someone) please replace the current redirect at Echo School to be a dab page:

Echo School may refer to:

• Echo School (Echo, Oregon)
• Echo Church and School, on Temple Lane in Echo, Utah, listed on the National Register of Historic Places (NRHP) in Summit County
• Echo School (Echo, Utah), at 3441 S. Echo Rd., NRHP-listed in Summit County

{{disambiguation}}

Thanks! --doncram 02:43, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Recommendation: Until 3 or more articles exist, just use hatnotes and leave Echo School as a redirect to the Oregon school as it was there first. Once 3 articles exist, then create Echo School (disambiguation). If it's just the 3 articles above, I am still inclined to leave Echo School as a redirect to the Oregon article, but the hatnotes would need to be adjusted to account for the disambiguation page. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:41, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't want to argue, so i am just starting User:Doncram/Echo School (Echo, Utah), which would be the third article you seem to think is necessary. It is not, however, necessary to have 3 articles to have a dab page; the guidance is more that with just two you can do without a dab page and just hatnote between them. But the guidance is also clear that you can have the dab page. And IMO if it is likely that there will be more items and you have the info together, it is just best to create the dab page. Anyhow, this discussion is moot if the 3rd article created. --doncram 03:56, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. My understanding of DAB pages vs. hatnotes may be out of date. I'll have to make a point to read the current guidance. In any case, Wikipedia will be better with the Echo School (Echo, Utah) article than without. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 05:10, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I am dis-inclined to accept User:Doncram/Echo Church and School with a red-link in it unless User:Doncram/Echo School (Echo, Utah) is also ready for a move. If you don't have an article about this written yet, please remove that paragraph from the text or re-word it without a wikilink. You can always add it back later. I'm going to take this out of the queue for now. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:45, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Huh? Red-links are good. But also mooted by the other new article in progress, okay? Thanks. --doncram 03:56, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Red links can be good, but the specific form you used, Echo School (Echo, Utah), is distracting. I'm going to make an edit then revert it. If you like it, restore it. In any case, blue links are much better than red ones. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:32, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

This edit right before my "big rollback" gets the point across. I'm not sure if "(NRHP Reference# 97000805)" is helpful or distracting, take it out if you want. I see you are creating the article on Echo School. In the church-and-school article, I recommend you "pipe" the link, like so: [[Echo School (Echo, Utah)|Echo School]].

Also, there is another "fatal flaw" - the first paragraph has mismatched quotation marks. Please go back and figure out where the 4th quotation mark belongs or if the middle one should just be removed entirely. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 05:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay, done again i think. Hope i went back to the intended/suggested version correctly. I thank you for your attention to detail, though I eventually got confused and tired by this, too. And then i made some other new changes going forward, hopefully. I don't care about any single detail, feel free to change anything. I do think this is okay/good as a contribution giving some info where there is none presently in Wikipedia about this place. Yes, in particular about "In any case, Wikipedia will be better with the Echo School (Echo, Utah) article than without", and yes about application of that thought again and again to many other topics needing coverage. cheers, --doncram 22:39, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Created:

• Echo Church and School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Echo School (disambiguation) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Will fixup hatnotes shortly. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

User:Doncram/Texas Trail Stone Corral

I removed User:Doncram/Texas Trail Stone Corral for copy-editing and citations. The text says it is a "rare relic" twice, which is unnecessary in such a short article. It also makes this claim without a specific in-line citation. As a reader, I want backup for claims like this. Also, what the heck is "a c. 1876 dry stone corral" and is there supposed to be a period after the "a"? This short paragraph sounds like it might be lifted verbatim from a source. If it is lifted verbatim, policy requires that it either be re-worded or put in quotation marks or otherwise be clearly indicated as a quote (e.g. using {{quote}}, {{cquote}}, or similar). For example, you could write it like this:

So-and-so said "The site has two ... used in a different wall."[citation goes here]

Given the shortness of the article I strongly recommend using a direct quote of more than a few words. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:40, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for caring. As i tried to indicate in the edit summary of my initial edit creating the article, there is text copied directly from a Wikipedia article, from the List of RHPs in NE#Chase County table of NRHPs in that county. The text "Two surviving walls of a c. 1876 dry stone corral, a rare relic of cattle drives along the Texas Trail.[33]" is copied, but should not be put into quotes, it is re-using GDFL or whatever Wikipedia text. I think that is what you question. I'll do a little rewording to avoid repetition though; i had apparently chosen to use "rare relic" in the lede and it shouldn't be repeated i agree.

It's a side point, but what does the shortness of this wikipedia article have to do, at all, with the length of a quote that is a tiny fraction of the source document. There is no quote here I think though. Anyhow, i'll edit at the article. It is obviously a valid Wikipedia article topic, and all this could better be done at Talk page of a mainspace article, IMHO. Thanks. --doncram 02:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Dry stone was already linked, it is a type of construction, dry... And i linked c. now. I don't follow what any question really was, but have reworded anyhow and think it is better (in addition to avoiding repetitive phrasing). Thanks. --doncram 03:00, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Page 6 and page 7 of the NRHP document, covered in an inline reference, explain that the corral is "unique" and that "Few visible features from the Texas Trail remain along its routes due to the mobile and ephemeral nature of the resources." It was, I think, editor Ammodramus's summary to call it a "rare relic"; i have now chosen to state it as a "rare artifact". This is not a quote, and it is supported by an inline reference. It is not essential to use the same inline reference in the lede, which is a summary (even of a short article), but I'll add another invocation of the inline reference there. No specific page number is needed, i don't think. Thanks. --doncram 03:12, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Moved to Texas Trail Stone Corral. We are both getting sloppy - I didn't notice the red-linked category "Corrals" earlier. I removed it. I also didn't notice that the proposed talk-page template was for Kansas instead of Nebraska. I fixed it. Please double-check all of your submissions for red-links - including red-linked categories - and double-check the proposed talk page templates for accuracy. Since I'm getting sloppy it's time for me to call it a day. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:20, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

A comment on quotes: Had this actually been a quote from a copyrighted source, "fair use" usually means not only can't you quote the entire source without a high risk of falling outside of the law and Wikipedia policy, but "your work" must be substantially more than just the excerpt from the quoted work or the law may find any "fair use" claim dubious. Imagine, for example, if a humorist wrote a copyright book of 1-line witticisms. Now imagine that I make fortune cookies. I take a bunch of his witticisms and in each of my cookies I put one of his witticisms followed by a brief smarty-pants 1-line analysis, like "That was dumb" or "only an egghead would say that." Each of my cookies is a "creation" of which about 50% is someone else's copyrighted work. While I might be able to tell a court "I was using his work in the context of commentary, it's fair use" the odds are far from 100% that a court would believe it. If, on the other hand, I devoted several sentences to dissecting each of his 1-sentence witticisms then a court would almost certainly rule in my favor if I were sued and used a "fair use" defense. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Maybe this is a discussion for somewhere else, but I pretty much disagree (no way would a court go the way u suggest in ur interesting example; it is NOT part of U.S. copyright law, what matters is percent of source used not percent of new work at all per Wikipedia guideline too (there's some Q&A about copyrights that addresses this). We are coming from different places (as are others, sometimes mixing in emotional loads / vindictiveness/revenge/bullying/personal conflict in my opinion sometimes when any of this is discussed), it is good to discuss, again not sure this is best forum. Is there a possible productive RFC discussion question, i wonder? --doncram 17:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Not my summary, but User:Mcghiever's: see diff. I'm no poet, but I care too much for the tones and rhythms of the English language to write a phrase as teeth-gritting as "rare relic". Ammodramus (talk) 04:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the summary posted in the description column of the NRHP listings in Nebraska article was my original contribution, using the nomination form as a source. It's not a quote and that text can be freely used elsewhere in Wikipedia. As for its artistic merit, I can only say I've been writing a lot of these descriptions lately because that column is pathetically empty all over WP. Given the demands of quantity over quality, any individual description I've written could probably stand some polishing, but I didn't realize that one was "teeth-gritting"-ly bad. Feel free to improve it on the list article as well. -McGhiever (talk) 14:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for contributing descriptions to the NE NRHP list-article! It is a big issue; there is one current discussion about what descriptions should be at wt:NRHP#Description column right now; please comment there! By the way, I liked the "rare relic" phrase with its tiny amount of nice alliteration, I don't grock how that is teeth gritting at all; i moved away from it only because it is distinctive and I was becoming concerned about needing to source maybe. It's okay for there to be different preferences of course. --doncram 17:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Echo School (Echo, Utah) created

Echo School (Echo, Utah) has been created. See the note on Talk:Echo School (Echo, Utah) and the temporary hatnote at the top of Echo School (Echo, Oregon) and the edit history remarks for the Oregon school article. Once the "Echo church and school" article above is done then a DAB page can be made. Since only the Oregon school is an active school now, Echo School should still redirect to the Oregon article, but its hatnote will need to be updated. I'm holding off on the mismatched-quotation-mark issue on the church-and-school article. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Wheat Growers Hotel

Wheat Growers Hotel moved. See the change to the category and the notes on the talk page. The category change was questionable due to its parent categories, but other no-longer-in-use-as-a-hotel buildings are in the category so I made the change. Feel free to revert it. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:57, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

That's about adding it to Category:Hotel buildings on the National Register of Historic Places in STATE for its state; I don't pay much attention to categories but that seems great; you don't need to notify me of every change made to an article but if u do i am happy to learn of a suggestion; it seems in fact there are a lot of hotel buildings among the western/mountain U.S. states' NRHP listings; I just added similar categories to 9 other recently created NRHP hotel articles. Thanks! --doncram 13:54, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Sidney Historic Business District

Sidney Historic Business District moved. Watch those categories, some NRHP-recommended categorization schemes don't exist as categories in Wikipedia. Category:Late 19th and 20th Century Revivals architecture in the United States has been deleted not once but twice. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:41, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

James Cassidy House

I removed User:Doncram/James Cassidy House from the "review" category. "T/L cottage by addition" isn't a common term, so the article should explain what a T/L cottage by addition is. It's explained in the nomination form, so it shouldn't be too hard to add that. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 05:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I had used a quotation because indeed i was not familiar with the term. I have extended the quotation to perhaps clarify, and added a further explanation, but in fact I do find it hard to explain, I do not find it clearly explained. If you can find a better explanation please do add. However, the article is valid with a quote saying the place is significant for being an example of that, without defining that. Further discussion is best done at a Talk page of the article, in mainspace. I restored the review category; it was and is ready for mainspace IMHO. Thanks. --doncram 07:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

There's still a small mistake in the article. A hall and parlor house is rectangular, not L-shaped; the "T/L" part of the name presumably means it's either T or L shaped based on that. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:12, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out there is a hall and parlor house article to link to. If you say so, about what T/L means. I've further removed my attempted explanation that I had just added, which was apparently wrong. Sticking to just the extended quote which appears to explain it to you. I find no better explanation to quote than that, and I wish to rely upon a quote to avoid introducing personal opinion. thanks. (And thanks for your processing other articles, too.) --doncram 07:19, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

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4 down, 1 needs work, lots remaining

Done:

• Echo Church and School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

• It was good to finally knock this one off the list :)

• Park City Main Street Historic District (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Shoppach House (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Streeter-Peterson House (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Not done:

• User:Doncram/S.B. Barker Building has an issue with a WP:LONGQUOTE. I made and self-reverted a suggested change and removed it from the "ready" category.

davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:44, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Westchester County NRHP list split proposal

Don,

Based on a three-and-a-half-year-old conversation, I have a proposal up for better splitting the Westchester County lists outside of Yonkers, if you're interested in looking at it. Daniel Case (talk) 18:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for inviting me. I don't have anything to add there, though. Good luck. --doncram 00:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

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Failed to move User:Doncram/Kansas Route 66 Historic District-East Galena

Failed to move:

• User:Doncram/Kansas Route 66 Historic District-East Galena - ready to move, but your newly-created redirect at Kansas Route 66 Historic District-East Galena is in the way. If you want this created, please have the redirect deleted and restore Category:Submissions by Doncram ready for review.

davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:10, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Right, thanks. Upon back-and-forth discussion with User:Catalyst31, we determined the topic could be covered within an article about Route 66 in Kansas. I will redirect this now, thanks. --doncram 21:45, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

5 down, 5 to go

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• First Commercial Bank (Odell, Nebraska) (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch
• Rucker House (Bauxite, Arkansas) (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch
• Running Water Stage Station Site (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch
• Ventura Theater (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch
• Walter and Anna Zion Homestead (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch

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Article looks good

I think that was back in the day that I'd only upload one photo per site. In any case, it looks like I got the right church, but as I remember the other church was more impressive. I'll find that photo and we'll see what you think. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 04:42, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

7 down, 3 left for others

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• George Washington Faulkner House (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch
• Old River Bridge (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch
• Ebell Club of Santa Paula (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch
• Colony House (Simi, California) (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch

  Tagged as a candidate to merge with Simi Adobe-Strathearn House and moving result over your newly-created redirect, Strathearn Historical Park and Museum. Discussion is at Talk:Simi Adobe-Strathearn House#Merge and move.

• Christ Episcopal Church (Sidney, Nebraska) (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch
• First National Bank of Haxtun (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch
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davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 01:03, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

I moved two of the remaining three, Thomas L. Allen House and James Cassidy House. I rewrote the latter article a bit so it wasn't as reliant on a direct quote; you may want to look at the changes. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 09:03, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

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Wiknic

Don, I must apologize. Even though we actually met a few years ago, I completely forgot you were the in LA area and did not leave you an invitation for the Wiknic next Saturday (6/22). If you are free, please see the details at Wikipedia:Meetup/LA/8. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 06:42, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

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Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 23:20, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Arbitration amendment request

After seeing this comment, I've filed an arbitration amendment request; please respond at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment. Nyttend (talk) 00:24, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I saw the comments too and IMO if NYT wanted to do the right thing, he should have said something to some of the other editors informing them that they need to be civil. Apparently I need to do it instead. Instead he opens an Arbcom sanction so that you cannot respond to editors who are being incivil. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb. I have commented there. Kumioko (talk) 00:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

More reviewed articles

I moved Crites Hall, Dawes County Courthouse, and Home on the Range Cabin to the mainspace. I removed the review category from User:Doncram/Bank of Oberlin, since the article doesn't adequately explain its historical significance; according to the nomination form, the bank has had several historical functions, none of which are explained in the article beyond their names. I also removed the review category from User:Doncram/Chadron Commercial Historic District; "it dates from 1888" isn't entirely accurate when describing a historic district unless all of its buildings were built in 1888, which isn't the case here, and its most prominent architectural style is missing from the description. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 09:34, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I added more to the latter two submissions. I think "dates from 1888" works and properly suggests there are buildings from 1888, and does not suggest they all were built then, but I have reworded to avoid that phrase. There are at least 6 buildings built in 1888, now listed explicitly in the article. I don't know what you meant about its most prominent architectural style (that i didn't wikilink one of the styles when mentioned?) but I have added more about architecture to the article. Again, thanks; the articles are better with additions (though they were already about notable topics and asserted notability by dint of asserting NRHP listing and were wikipedia-ready already imho, whatever). cheers, --doncram 02:50, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, TheCatalyst31, in particular for considerably improving Home on the Range Cabin by your much better wordings. --doncram 03:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I moved both articles to the mainspace. I added a bit to the Bank of Oberlin article about how it was a county courthouse. It wasn't a problem with the draft, I just thought it was worth mentioning. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 04:44, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I also moved Hotel Chadron to the mainspace. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 04:47, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation

You have a reply at User talk:66.217.197.140. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.204.49 (talk) 05:52, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

See "discussion" at User talk:66.217.197.140; check also User talk:66.217.204.49, User talk:66.217.202.249. --doncram 11:52, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Reviewed articles

I moved several more of the articles in the review category to the mainspace:

• Akron Gymnasium
• First Arthur County Courthouse and Jail
• Hawthorne USO Building
• Hugo Municipal Pool
• Maginnis Irrigation Aqueduct
• Plum Bush Creek Bridge
• Sevenmile Bridge
• Shirley Opera House
• West Plum Bush Creek Bridge
• Whitcomb Cabin
• S.P. Gebhart House
• Robert Jack House
• Charles M. Pratt House
• As Sombreru Pillboxes

By the way, WikiProject Kansas separated from WikiProject United States, so Kansas articles should be tagged with Template:WikiProject Kansas from now on.

P.S. I got your message to me after reviewing these. I actually haven't been editing in CO, though if this batch of articles didn't push it over 40% I might write a few new ones there. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:01, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I just reviewed Wagon Wheel Gap Railroad Station, which should put CO at 40%. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:39, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Labo Del Rio Bridge too. Though I just remembered that the Colorado list hasn't been updated since April 19 and might be updated soon, so it could fall under 40% again depending on if it's had new listings lately. I may write a few articles to keep it above 40%. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:53, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I "reviewed" Dallam County Courthouse, but you started that one in the mainspace already. Given that you had it in the review category, I assume this was a mistake, but try to be careful about that in the future. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 06:29, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

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TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Latest batch of articles

In addition to the AfC submission, I also moved the following articles to the mainspace:

• Cheyenne County Jail
• Clayton Public Library
• Garfield County Courthouse (Pomeroy, Washington)
• Downtown Pomeroy Historic District
• Folsom Hotel
• Fort Nuestra Senora de la Soledad
• Hodgeman County Courthouse
• Indian Canyon Ranger Station
• Ha. 62-76 Japanese Midget Attack Submarine
• Lewis and Clark Trail-Travois Road
• Stockmore Ranger Station
• Andrew Hunter House
• Grainfield Opera House
• Deering Bridge

I made some changes to a few of the drafts, particularly the last two, so I encourage you to look through them.

As for the architect, shouldn't the title of the article be Willard C. Kruger? The architect himself seems to be the subject of the article, and he has sole attribution on several of the works. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:28, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, i moved the article from "Willard C. Kruger and Associates" to Willard C. Kruger, and I had intended to do so. I had started the article at first from a link with the "and Associates", but developed/revised the article to be primarily about Willard C. Kruger. Thanks about the edits to those last two, and otherwise. In some other edits I noticed (maybe yesterday?) that you removed some "promotional" type quotes; I think that is a matter of subjective preference, and I personally like to include such, sometimes. It gives the reader a sense of the puffery sometimes involved in NRHP nomination, of the local pride expressed, which is okay and accurate and sometimes is good. Puffery, by the way, is legally defended; there was a legal case--i think it was a Supreme Court case--about Steve Jobs' puffery about a new Apple product, upon its release when it wasn't really gonna be that great. If it had been released with a negative prediction that would have been accurate but obviously would have further killed its prospects. It was held that Jobs optimistic statements about the product were acceptable as puffery which is required in practice for any new product launch, and that everyone understands that, and the shareholders' suit for damages for the positive spin being proven inaccurate, eventually, was dismissed. If i recall correctly. Anyhow, some positive spin is fine, too, in NRHP articles, I think, when clearly attributed to the NRHP nomination or its author. It's subjective about whether to include such or not. Thanks again, --doncram 19:08, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Puffery and positive spin may be legally acceptable, but they violate Wikipedia policy on neutral point of view and avoiding peacock terms, and following policy isn't a matter of preference. It's not our place as an encyclopedia to drum up business for the local tourism industry. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 23:15, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again for your processing those and more since then. Your changes are all good i think, thanks. I agree for example with your replacing the indeed-rather-vague quote in the 2nd to last, for example. About the "puffery" ones, I do fully understand that our writing should not be promotional, but we are indeed allowed to represent all views with appropriate attribution. As the wp:PEACOCK link you point to notes, it is good to provide something like: "Dylan was included in Time's 100: The Most Important People of the Century, where he was called 'master poet, caustic social critic and intrepid, guiding spirit of the counterculture generation'.[3] By the mid-1970s, his songs had been covered by hundreds of other artists.[4]", whereas (in my words now) ourselves saying, if these were our words, something like "Dylan was a master poet and an intrepid, guiding spirit" would be promotional and inappropriate. I am absolutely only including quotes of such positive commentary (and the reader might properly infer some commentary about them from their being quoted); I would happily provide quotes of negative commentary too; this is providing all views and some implicit commentary perhaps; it is not endorsing anything inappropriately. Again, i don't disagree with any of your changes i think; it's just I don't quite agree that it is necessary to remove quotes of promotional-type assertions from the explicitly semi-promotional NRHP nominations, properly attributed. Thanks. --doncram 16:51, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

June 2013

This is your last warning. The next time you make personal attacks on other people, as you did at WT:NRHP, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. This is the warning that you called for in this edit. Nyttend (talk) 15:23, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

dropping by on another purpose, I noticed this. fwiw, unless something has been redacted, I do not see a personal attack there, or elsewhere in the discussion, tho there is presumably some history which might tend to make it so. DGG ( talk ) 19:41, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

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TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 05:07, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I also approved Goodson Memorial School, Bent County High School, Gotter Hotel, and Midwest Theater. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 05:20, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

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