Talk:Batman

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Bruce Wayne vs. Clark Kent

This article implies that 'Batman' is Bruce Wayne's 'true persona' rather than his secret identity and contrasts this by saying that 'Superman' is Clark Kent's secret identity and that his super hero persona is his mask. This is entirely unfounded in the very origins of each character. Bruce Wayne is a human and he was born on earth and he was given the name and identity of 'Bruce Wayne' when he was born, He created Batman and a means to fight crime. Bruce Wayne trained himself and created this persona in which he wears a mask and a costume to fight evil. For Superman, the opposite is true. He was born to Jor-El and Laura on Krypton and he was given the name Kal-el...he is NOT human, no matter how much he may look like us. When Kal-el came to earth upon the destruction of Krypton, Jonathan and Martha Kent, not knowing who he was or where he came from, named him Clark and raised him as their own. Later on in his life Clark become aware of his TRUE IDENTITY as 'The Last Son of Krypton'. When Clark made the decision to use his abilities that he gains as Kryptonian in the light of earth's yellow sun, he is acknowledging his true nature. The Superman costume doesn't have a mask for that very reason...'Superman' is Kal-El in all his glory...Clark Kent with his glasses and non-confrontational personality is the mask. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.83.27.223 (talk) 18:58, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Fredric Wertham

Apparently Fredric Wertham who is mentioned in the text was not a psychologist but a psychiatrist. AICrane (talk) 00:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Bob Kane

Bill Finger had no part in creating Batman, it was all Bob Kane. Bill Finger did not co-create, or anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Football1607 (talk • contribs) 14:57, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Is Batman a psychiatrist or a psychologist?

Batman definitely keeps psychological profiles in his enemies and allies as seen in JLA:Tower of Babel; Batman should be listed as being nearly every profession; the first 2 star trek science officers would similarly be listed. Category:Fictional polymath does not exist nor do I think it should. CensoredScribe (talk) 00:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC),

This is the problem: You have identified things that convinced you that he is a psychiatrist. In your opinion, then, he is a psychiatrist. Wikipedia articles should not contain your opinions. We need a reliable source that calls him a psychiatrist. Without that, you cannot add that Batman is a psychiatrist, psychologist, polymath, standup comic, French chef, diplomat, circus clown, southpaw, card shark or anything else. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:07, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Batman's Origin Story

Unlike most superheroes, Batman was born out of tradgety.This was told in many ways.They were just walking home from a Zorro Movie and walk threw a dark alley. Some guy named Joe Chill shot Thomas and Martha Wayne.Bruce ran home.He Swearers to avenge his parents to fight evil.When he grows up, he travels across the world to be trained by an assassin named Ra Sha Ghul.But Ra Sha Ghul wants Bruce to be an executioner.Bruce says no and sets his house on fire.Bruce Only Saves Ra Sha Ghul from the burning building.He comes back to Gotham to work out.He wanted to build a lair out of the cave he fell in as a child.He wanted something to enspire his costume so he could strike fear in the hearts of villans.So he rembered his childhood fear of bats.(Thats why he's Batman). His friend Lucius Fox builds him awesome weapons ,armour ,and be vehicles.The Scarecrow was scaring the shit out of people with his mask and fear gas.Eventually The Scarecrow ends up in Arkham.But then Bruce has a party at his house.Ra Sha Ghul and his goons crash the party and set Wayne Manor on fire.(First of all Bruce did it for good.Ghul just wanted him dead).Anyway Alfred helps Bruce up from the floor and sends him to the Batcave. Bruce turns into the Batman,Hunts Ghul down and he dies from a train.(Not Bruce).Then Commissioner Gordon thanks Batman and asks him to capture this so called Red Hood. And so that's how Batman was born. This story is all just in the movie "Batman Begins".

Are you suggesting something to be added to the article? Remember that Wikipedia is not a forum for general discussions of the topic. The Talk Pages are for discussing improvements to the article. ——Digital Jedi Master (talk) 08:53, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Psychiatrist/psychologist/psychological fiction/etc.

Reliable sources do not commonly and consistently define Batman as a psychiatrist, psychologist, lion tamer, film critic, bureaucrat, Grateful Dead fan, member of the mile high club, exterminator, scofflaw, etc. As such, we do not add categories describing him as being any of these, even if you are certain that he is. - SummerPhD (talk) 17:46, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I think Batman is one of the best known works of psychological fiction. Batman sends his enemies to Arkham Asylum more often than Black Gate prison, and most of them have mental problem, except maybe Penguin and Doctor Death. Numerous story line point out than an Arkham psychologist would diagnose Batman with some form of mental disorder; most commonly split personality disorder like several of his enemies. An episode of Batman beyond with SPell Binder basically establishes this in the DCAU, the name he calls himself in his head should be Bruce Wayne not Batman; yet that is what he calls himself in his head. Batman was not listed as a chemist which is a skill he uses to create antidotes to joker toxin, fear gas, and poison Ivy's rare plant poisons. Most Super hero's do not display as many skills as Batman; whose page needs to reflect being a rare complete fictional polymath. I think most people would describe Batman as having every skill high enough he could at least be employed at it, more often in the comics he's the worlds second best at everything. Is Doctor Black Jack a surgeon because in the manga he is the worlds most talented surgeon, who is unlicensed thus by some definitions not a surgeon? CensoredScribe (talk) 18:05, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

A quick Ctrl+F through the article reveals no cited information whatsoever on its discussion as a corpus of psychological fiction. No source means no content; no content means no category. GRAPPLE X 18:09, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

The page for Arkham Asylum mentions the words psychology and psychologist once each. CensoredScribe (talk) 18:21, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Is there an available weight of reliable sources discussing the Batman corpus as being psychological fiction, or are you just counting instances of related words here? GRAPPLE X 18:24, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Reliable sources do not commonly and consistently define Batman as a psychiatrist, psychologist, etc. - SummerPhD (talk) 19:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Comics#Super_hero.27s_and_villains_should_fall_under_several_categories_when_applicable - SummerPhD (talk) 23:06, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Is Batman an amateur detective or a detective? Is Batman even detective fiction?

Sherlock Holmes is listed as an amateur; and unlike Dick Greyson Batman is not a police officer. Should Batman be considered detective fiction? CensoredScribe (talk) 16:47, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Do reliable sources commonly and consistently define Batman as a toxicologist, a chemist or an amateur detective? - SummerPhD (talk) 16:51, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Do sources actually identify Batman as a professional detective? The detective fictional detective category page is supposed to consist of sub categories; it needs quite a bit of sub categorization right now. CensoredScribe (talk) 02:17, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Spring Heeled Jack

Can we add a note to the Creation section which points out the remarkable similarity of the batman character design to this much earlier Spring Heeled Jack artwork (circa 1904) from a series of English 'penny dreadfuls'.

The decription of the earlier wings, before Finger made the cloak change, makes the design even more similar to the eariler spring heeled jack image.

It seems very likely that the batman character design was influenced by these earlier images of spring heeled jack.

See the wikipedia article Spring Heeled Jack

I am not the first to notice this similarity earlier spring heeled jack image looks remarkably like batman (fark.com thread)

References

• spring heeled jack legend
• spring heeled jack book cover
• spring heeled jack book cover

--Yupviolagobe (talk) 08:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable sources citing this? The Fark thread certainly doesn't count. If there's some third-party sources that significantly point this out, then you can add it. But if it's just speculation, it's against WP:OR. ——Digital Jedi Master (talk) 09:01, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Robin and Bluebird

Howdy all, I just added some quick info on Damian Wayne to the Robin section - I don't own the comics, so I used online media reports. I hope this is acceptable. I also put a couple of sentences about Bluebird/Harper Row, as well as a link to the Bluebird page I made earlier, into the Robin section. I was a little uncertain on this point, though. Bluebird is another young ward and sidekick to Batman, and thus effectively a sixth Robin. However, she's not actually called Robin at all. Should she have her own section, should she remain in the "Robin" section, or does she belong in the Batman article at all?

I'd really value your feedback. TI. Gracchus (talk) 07:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

The Shadow

It is generally acknowledged that The Shadow had some influence in the origin of Batman. A number of times in the pulp "The Shadow Laughs" (Oct 1, 1931), The Shadow was said to have a "bat-like shadow".(88.22.194.66 (talk) 15:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC))

There is an entire section in The Shadow that talks about the character's influence on Batman. It seems well-sourced, so if you wanted to check them for validity and import them into this article, it seems like that could be a great way to improve the article. However, using references to a "bat-like shadow" as an argument to support that claim may violate Wikipedia's ban on original research. TI. Gracchus (talk) 21:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

On commas

Just noticed the most recent edit in which a user went through and placed all of the commas on the outside of the quotation marks. In order to forestall a revert by a newer editor (such as myself), I thought I would take a moment to point out that this is indeed consistant with Wikipedia's manual of style. As an American, seeing punctuation outside of quotation marks is like fingernails down a chalkboard, but for whatever reason it is apparently the official policy here, and so should be left in place. TI. Gracchus (talk) 20:56, 2 March 2014 (UTC)