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The "Anglo" in "Anglo-French" as used in this article refers to the UK not England, so I'm changing it accordingly -- Cabalamat 02:15, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Then shouldn't it be UK-French? Anglo by its very nature implies England. RickK 02:17, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)

According to http://acp.gn.apc.org/aerospace/aero_review.html, at least parts of Storm Shadow are built in Scotland. -- Cabalamat 02:46, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Some clarification. Storm Shadow / Scalp is first and foremost a French weapon. It was entirely designed and developed in France and is based heavily on the Matra Apache weapon. Scalp/EG is a significantly enhanced Apache cruise missile designed to a French Air Force requirement. After government approval, it was then submitted for a UK cruise missile requirement (CASOM). The British contributed the BROACH warhead for their Storm Shadow missiles; the Scalp EG missile uses a French design. Most of the Storm Shadow missile are made in the UK--per contractual obligations (industrial offset). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.233.131.138 (talk • contribs) 20 January 2006

What rot. MBDA in Stevenage (which is in the UK, not France) had a large office building full of engineers working full time for several years on it. Then of course there's the export derivative. You are correct that SS/EG is a DERIVATIVE of a French weapon (APACHE), however the link between Apache and SS/EG is visual only. Every subsystem inside is redesigned. SS has BROACH, APACHE has KRISS. Totally different sort of lethal package. Different mission set altogether. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.86.138.193 (talk) 01:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

The missile is the BAe version (with some UK enhancements) of the French Matra APACHE/SCALP missile and entered service in late 2002. Source: http://www.armedforces.co.uk/projects/raq3f549e5ccceb2 Proof of mimimal BAe involvement: It works; it's on budget and it was delivered on schedule. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.254.176 (talk) 21:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Except that the seeker, warhead, G&C computer, navigation system, engine, actuators and airframe are different. Only the external shape of the airframe is in fact common. It was sold as an evolution of an existing design but is in fact completely different. And it was developed by MBDA not BAE Systems. Justin talk 21:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Each one costs about 1 million pounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by E cetinel (talk • contribs) 17 February 2006

Bunt?

The article claims that the final manouver before target acquisition is called a "bunt". But a bunt - as far as I can find - is a negative G manouver... that is to say a pitch downwards and not upwards. Can this please be reworded or shown a source that the manouver is indeed called a "bunt". --J-Star 20:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well I didn't add it but I remember reading this term in the RAF Magazine. I would welcome more expert opinion but let me hazard a guess - The missile flies low and then for its attack it climbs rapidly for a final dive onto its target, perhaps the negative G refers to the transition from rapid climb to rapid dive. Mark83 21:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the terminal phase, Storm Shadow pulls up, climbs to altitude and then performs a bunt to dive onto the target. So the article is in fact correct. Justin A Kuntz 12:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Harrier

I'm certian that the Harrier GR7/9 is not cleared to use the Storm Shadow, so will remove the reference to this, if no one has any objection. Ttdjp 20:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're correct MBDA's own page lists the aircraft types and Harrier isn't there. Justin A Kuntz 12:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Harrier GR9 WAS slated for StormShadow integration but concerns over weight issues of bringing an unfired weapon back aboard a carrier in a Vertical landing prompted the deletion of the integration from the 'to do' list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phlyer (talk • contribs) 13:19, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tomahawk

Note sure this section is completely correct

This semi-autonomous flight and dual-stage warhead make the missile unique among cruise missiles. ... but lacks the target-acquisition ....

Depending on the version Tomahawk has DSMAC which confers an ATR capability in the terminal phase. Also JASSM has a terminal seeker capability. Justin A Kuntz 19:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Unique among cruise missiles" isn't accurate at all. The Taurus missile has a similar dual-stage breaching warhead called Mephisto and it autonavigates in similar fashion, including a climb and bunt maneuver. They are direct competitors so I would expect it. The JASSM doesn't do the bunt and doesn't have a dual-stage warhead, but otherwise is very similar. I'm going to remove that paragraph.

I think you'll find JASSM does have a bunt capability for certain targets. Justin talk 00:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SCALP-EG/Storm Shadow: A different weapon?

I 've heard that the French missiles are only carried by Rafale/Mirage 2000-5 Mk 2. Is this true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.251.240.62 (talk) 14:51, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Storm Shadow (GI Joe)

Why does 'Storm Shadow' come to this article instead of the more popular GI Joe character who was an established character decades before this missle? —Preceding unsigned comment added by IrwinRShyster (talk • contribs) 08:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please define more popular, anyway rather than remove the artical (which is what your edits did). You could have moved the page, and the talk page, to Storm Shadow (missile) and then created a Disambiguation page for both Bihco (talk) 08:45, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Diameter?

The Characteristics section 1st paragraph mentions a diameter of 1m, which on examination of the photo of the missile in RAF musem appears broadly consistent with the quoted wingspan of 3m. But the Specifications box at right of page lists diameter as 0.166m - not consistent (although exactly the same as the diameter spec on the MBDA Systems product page <http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/site/ref/scripts/siteFO_contenu.php?lang=EN&noeu_id=120&page_id=115> ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.20.20.129 (talk) 03:00, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]