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Specific strategies to improve Multicultural BRIDGE

One of the articles I've been creating for a community organization in Berkshire County called Multicultural BRIDGE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Multicultural_BRIDGE) was recently rejected on the basis of the subject not being notable. Given the organization's received independently written articles in at least five different newspapers and journals (and received accolades from Deval Patrick and Carmen Ortiz), I respectfully beg to differ.
Having said this, I realize as a new Wikipedia editor, my article might not be written as professionally or neutrally as it could be. I'm looking for suggestions on how to showcase this organization's notability/advice on properly writing the article.
Thanks in advance, Kdipierro (talk) 15:14, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@User:Kdipierro Hello! Welcome to the Teahouse!, I'll give you my opinion about the article you submitted, "I am having trouble reading it", like what Blue Rasberry said, "Focus on making 2-3 good sentences with good citations. Wikipedia has low standards - make an attempt to meet them. Read the guidelines.", and also, it looks like an advertisement page instead of an article. However, I find it unbalanced with the NPOV. I think it just needs spaces with the programs section, to make the reader understand more. It looks sophisticated that way anyway, but given with the 2 declines with the reason "advertisement", I indeed agree. It looks like an advertisement. CryOceD (talk) 15:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Kdipierro. I may be overreacting to one word, but I am concerned tht you refer to creating an article for the organisation: I think it may help to avoid thinking this. A wikipedia article is not for anything except Wikipedia. It must be a neutral summary of what independent people have published about the subject in reliable places: neither more nor less. It does not belong to the organisation, it is not controlled bt the organisation, it will not necessarily benefit the organisation, and people associated with the organisation are strongly discouraged from editing it. If criticisms of the organisation have been published in reliable places, they should be included as well.

In answer to your question on the page about links and PDF's: please incorporate those URLs into the appropriate citations; but do not, on any account, upload PDFs. Besides the fact that it will probably be a copyright violation to do so, there is no way to establish their provenance, so uploads of them will not be reliable, and cannot be used in references. --ColinFine (talk)

Thank you CryOCed and ColinFine for your critiques. What specific things can I do to give the article a more neutral point of view? In past drafts, I removed a list of awards, a mission statement, and other articles which weren't directly about the organization. I've looked online for criticism of the organization's programs, but haven't found any.

CryOCed - When you mention "spaces with the programs section," what exactly do you mean? Should I separate the programs under different sub-headings, or should I do something else?

ColinFine - I'm not a staff member of BRIDGE and haven't supervised any of their programs; however, I'm familiar with their work as a Berkshire community member and it seems they're significant enough to have a Wikipedia page about them. Is it permissible to share a PDF of an article that's beyond the paywall by uploading it onto Google Drive and setting the PDF to "read only"? Are there other ways to work around not having access to some of these links?

Thanks again, Kdipierro (talk) 17:42, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Kdipierro. I didn't actually review the article before my previous reply: I don't find anything promotional in the text as it now stands. In fact, the text's a bit thin, probably because you have taken out material trying to get it neutral. I haven't looked through the history to see what was there before, but my guess is that you could put some of it back, as long as you're careful about the wording: it shouldn't have any empty marketing speak, and any even slightly evaluative terms (especially about how wonderful the organisation is) should be include only if they are directly referenced to an independent source. Awards are fine as long as they are properly referenced: to say that BRIDGE won XXX award (with a reference to prove it) is a simple statement of fact.

I did wonder if you were employed by, or connected with BRIDGE: the wording I picked out suggested it, but only as one possible interpretation. I'm quite happy to accept that you are not.

As for the PDF: no, still not. Unless you have specific permission from the copyright holders, it is probably an infringement to upload it onto Google drive or anywhere, and Wikipedia does not allow linking to material that infringes copyright anywhere. Sources cited are not even required to be on line: obviously it's convenient if they are on-line and free-access, but the critical thing is that a random reader can in principle get hold of them. For the reader to need to subscribe to a service, or to go to a library and order a copy of something, is acceptable. (And Wikipedia has the resource exchange to put people in touch with others who have got access to resources). And even if you have permission to do so, it can't then be used as a reliable source. If a source is not easily available, it is permissible to include a short quotation from the source to show how it supports the text in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 19:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

When to move an article from userspace

Should User:Rubbish computer/Composed salad be reviewed before I can move it into the main article space? Rubbish computer 19:20, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Why not just add that material to salad? Doesn't make sense to me to have it as a separate article.--ukexpat (talk) 20:51, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: I agree with @Ukexpat:- a composed salad seems to have little notability, but could be a section of Salad#Types of salads instead, I guess. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Joseph2302:@Ukexpat: Okay I will do this. I made this page after seeing it listed as a potential article on Cullen328's user page. Rubbish computer 21:36, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

May an employee of an organization create that organization's page?

I'm an intern at an education advocacy organization located in a major American city. I've been asked by my boss to create a Wikipedia page for our organization. (One does not already exist.) The group has existed since 2012, has received local and regional media coverage, and has partnered with national funders and research partners; I do believe the group is "worthy of notice." However, I don't know whether Wikipedia encourages / allows employees to create pages for the organization that employs them. Any thoughts? Benjaminpstein (talk) 17:54, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Benjaminpstein: You need to read WP:COI and, if you insist on creating this page, hard to refuse because it is a direct order, I advise you very strongly to use the WP:AFC process and take all reviews on board. Your boss may want publicity. Wikipedia is a two edged sword because it finds out warts as well. We do not allow any form of publicity. You ought, also, to declared your COI using {{Connected contributor}} on the putative article's talk page.

You have to be very good at writing dull but worthy text, material I doubt your boss will approve of, but we will not approve any form of puffery. Fiddle Faddle 18:07, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Benjaminpstein, Welcome to the Teahouse! If an employee is asked by their leaders to create an article about their own organization is allowed, thus you cannot govern your opinion into it. It's not allowed here. you must know the NPOV (Neutral Point of View) guidelines. If your organization is worthy of such notice, please go ahead, make the article at a draft and send it for review. Don't allow such publicity, like stated by Fiddle Faddle above. CryOceD (talk) 18:20, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you both; your explanations and the links you included illustrate exactly my concerns. I'll try AFC and I'll make my Connected Contributor status explicit. Thanks again! Benjaminpstein (talk) 18:27, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Your boss has put you in a very difficult position. Anything you write about the organization is bound to be mercilessly edited by other users and will likely bear little resemblance to your original contribution - that's how Wikipedia works, but your edits will be even more closely scrutinized because of your COI. That is bound to be a source of frustration for you. I would suggest that you ask your boss to reconsider his request.--ukexpat (talk) 20:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

A final opinion, Benjaminpstein? It is difficult to write an article about a person, organization, event or product that you have a personal connection to as it hard to have a neutral point of view. Your boss should realize that the task he has given you is not a walk in the park. New articles are scrutinized very carefully and I also encourage you to use the WP:AFC process.

But while you will have some challenges ahead of you, I think you should try any way. What Wikipedia cares the most about are reliable, independent sources that cover your organization, not primary sources, that is, material that comes from your organization. Feel free to come back to the Teahouse as you work on your article and questions come up. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:31, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

My First User Interaction

Hello! I'm not entirely sure whether it is appropriate to ask a question about a specific conversation with a user, but seeing as it was my first, and I don't think it went very well, I really would appreciate any advice (or suggestion for a more appropriate platform for such a question).

The link to the conversation is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RHaworth#Altercari

Clearly, I did in fact do something 'utterly pointless' on my userpage - I made the unintentional mistake of copy-pasting in the speedy-delete tag. The resultant conversation unfortunately had a combative tone. My question is how can I avoid similar conversations in the future, besides avoiding similar mistakes?

Is this sort of conversation/tone unusual or am I experiencing culture shock?

Sorry to bother you all. I very much appreciate this service. A L T E R C A R I 22:10, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Altercari, Welcome to the Teahouse, Apparently, the user you were talking to eventually have been angered, since he thought you're an experienced editor, and you knew the templates, he claimed that you continued to edit until to the point it reached the sufficient number with the wikilinks, and yet you didn't notice the speedy deletion tag. You can't just say "You have no idea", you must ask questions first and further, that will only dissapoint the user your talking to, at least that's my opinion. As they always say, have good faith, and civility. Be bold, don't be scared to ask further questions off of, users that sometimes teach you unexpectedly. CryOceD (talk) 22:22, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Altercari. The other editor, RHaworth, is a highly productive contributor who also happens to be a blunt speaker. If you read his user page, you will come away with a better understanding of his personality and style. Do not take it personally. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:42, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen328. Please ignore my previous message below. If I would want to appeal something like a page deletion, is there a way to contact another admin, if the person I'm talking to, as in this case, has a somewhat blunt style? That would make a big difference to me. A L T E R C A R I 22:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy reply, CryOCed. So this isn't normal behaviour? I am unfortunately rather sensitive to combativeness and I felt intimidated and actually quite worthless after this interaction. If, in the future, I encounter someone else with whom I have a not-ideal interaction, is there some other way I can contest a userpage deletion? A L T E R C A R I 22:42, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion, Altercari. I hope that helps. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:14, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Much appreciated! Thank you for all your advice. A L T E R C A R I 23:18, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

(ec)Altercari, although RHaworth might have been brusque, he actually continued to converse with you and tried to provide information to you on what happened to your user page. He was trying to be helpful. If you become a productive editor on Wikipedia it is highly likely that you will come into conflict with another editor on WP because, well, people have different points of view and different opinions. Arguing and trying to persuade other viewers that your edit is appropriate is part of the editing experience for most editors. It helps a lot if you do not take these disagreements personally as they are a fact of life on Wikipedia, it's what happens when people from all over the world try to collaborate.

If you are looking for an introduction to WP, I recommend Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:20, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Altercari If you have better sources at your hands, you'll definitely win a userpage deletion discussion, on the other hand, don't feel worthless after someone's reaction through your skills, it's better to have experienced the reaction to know yourself more better, so you can make changes to your personality when it comes to other people, worldwide. By the way, I recommend Ssilvers to be your adopter, he is really good! CryOceD (talk) 23:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

CryOCed, I shall try to get in touch with him! Thank you for the recommendation! A L T E R C A R I 23:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Liz − absolutely. RHaworth was very informative. Were it not for him I wouldn't have heard about this resource, which has been of great help to me! He also fixed the problem very quickly, which I appreciate. I know it's not ideal to have such thin skin as I do, and it may well be my undoing as a wiki editor. I'm not afraid of disagreements though. In this case there wasn't even a disagreement. It was simply a mistake that had to be corrected. I would rather avoid (unnecessary, from my point of view) brusqueness in the future, unless it's part of a debate that's really worth having. A L T E R C A R I 23:46, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Not Copyright - please help!

Hello there,

I am trying to create a Wikipedia page for the nonprofit at which I work. We would like to transfer information from the website to the Wikipedia page in order to save space on the website. However, when I did this, Wikipedia notified me of copyright issues. Is there a way to let Wikipedia know that I am not copying information from the website, but that we are in fact owners of it?

Thanks!

Wcc1915 (talk) 22:09, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, @Wcc1915: and welcome to the encyclopedia, Wikipedia!

While I am sure your organization does wonderful things, as an encyclopedia, we are not a free webhosting platform for your organization. You will need to find other options. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Wcc1915, what you need is secondary sources, that is independent coverage of your nonprofit which typically is in the form of books, magazine coverage or newspapers. This will demonstrate notability which is important in establishing this article and prevent it from being deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:23, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll explain a bit further, Wcc1915. On the subject of copyright: any material on your website is automatically copyright, whether you explicitly mark it or not. Wikipedia does not accept copyright material unless it has been explicitly released under a suitable Creative commons licence. Your organisation may do this if it chooses (but it should be aware that in doing so it will granting anybody permission to use the material for any purpose - see donating copyright materials if you should want to pursue this). But the other point is that material on your website is very unlikely to be suitable for Wikipedia. If Wikipedia has an article about your organisation, it will not be your article: you will not have any control over its contents, it is possible that it will contain information which you would prefer not shown (and likely that it will not contain some information which you would like to appear) and your are strongly discouraged from editing it. This is because we are an encyclopaedia. --ColinFine (talk) 09:31, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks @TheRedPenofDoom @Liz @ConlinFine. This is very helpful.

Wcc1915 (talk) 13:11, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

My first Refusal

Hello, I've recently been notified that my article submission has been refused because "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement" However, I do not know why it would be considered as such. I've checked other articles about Unilever or Callebaut which both possess a page. Could you please help me figure this out? Thanks for your return. Luco Luc-Olivier Rahier (talk) 08:57, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Luc-Olivier Rahier! Welcome to the Teahouse! I have read your draft, the layout text is indeed some form of advertisement, and apparently it's hanging down at the NPOV (Neutral Point of View), please, read the guidelines within the link I gave you. You must be neutral when it comes to companies like these, "Puratos is a multinational company offering a range of products", that indeed looks like advertisement, it doesn't really specify what kind of products Puratos offers. CryOceD (talk) 09:25, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Also, "Puratos is a specialist in the taste of chocolate. They are passionate about rare chocolates", the statement obviously confirms that it's not in a neutral point of view. Your text is biased by the way. Please see Being Neutral. CryOceD (talk) 09:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks CryOceD for your feedback. Much appreciated. I'll make sure to go through the text to correct this.

Luc-Olivier Rahier (talk) 14:40, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Article draft

Hi all. I recently uploaded a draft of a Wikipedia article on my Talk page regarding a company called TwinFocus Capital Partners. I am not affiliated with this company at all. I was hoping that some of you might take a look at it and offer any comments/recommendations to ensure that it will pass Wikipedia's requirements. Thanks! Richmond1800 (talk) 15:05, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Richmond1800! Welcome to the Teahouse! I can guarantee, that will pass, but seperate some sections into specific names, if you want to add more, and apparently, if you send that for review, your not the one who will edit it fully though, we'll try to help you! Regards! CryOceD (talk) 15:09, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you!! CryOCed

Speedy Deletions in Userspace?

I recently used the { { helpme } } template to ask for feedback on a draft article saved in my userspace. It was a draft BLP about a musician. One editor commented that it might be too promotional but there wasn't anything that couldn't be fixed. Another editor tagged it for speedy deletion under criteria G11, "unambiguous advertising or promotion" and it was summarily deleted by an administrator.

I found these two responses quite interesting, particularly because speedy deletion under CSD G11 is by definition reserved for pages that are "exclusively" promotional and that would need to be "fundamentally rewritten" to become encyclopedic, which isn't what the first feedback said. Also, CSD G11 states that if a subject is notable (which it was) and the "content can be replaced with text that complies with neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion", which is the nature of the advice I was seeking out.

Regardless, I have a couple of questions:

1 - My primary question is whether it is an appropriate practice to apply speedy deletions to drafts of articles that are saved within userspace.

2 - Also, when administrators delete pages based on speedy deletion tags, is it common practice to examine the pages and decide for themselves, or to just delete the pages without examining them? In other words, is the tag essentially a request for an administrator to take an action, or to look into whether an action needs to be taken and then take the action if necessary?

Thank you for the information. It will help me understand the context behind the speedy deletion process.Kekki1978 (talk) 16:57, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Kekki1978: The concept of speedy deletion is one where there are intended to be checks and balances. The deleting admin should check that the deletion is valid and based upon policy. It's perfectly acceptable to ask that admin politely where they considered your draft met the criterion under which they deleted it. All edits are subject to community scrutiny, and admins are not an exception to this. Speedy deletion is sometimes applied to userspace drafts. My view is that the transgression must be blindingly obvious to warrant the approach. I am not an admin so I cannot see the deleted material. Fiddle Faddle 18:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Fiddle Faddle: thank you for your response. You answered exactly what I was wondering about. Kekki1978 (talk) 19:34, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Kekki1978, what I think Fiddle Faddle/Timtrent was also saying was that it is not inappropriate to ask the admin who deleted your page why it was deleted. You can also go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion and see if your article can be undeleted. Be prepared to have an argument on why your article should be undeleted and what steps you will take to improve its content. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:36, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Liz: Thank you for your suggestion. Very helpful.Kekki1978 (talk) 18:41, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

A Follower.

Hi there I am new to Wiki... Just a query, I have a follower, another editor that followers my every edit in order to undo it. Is it normal for one editor to follow and undo every edit you do? Wikipedia says be bold with the editing, yet I find my edits undone before I have time to put my citations on them. Also, I noticed there is a lot of mis-information that he is trying to protect and I am a purist. Please advise. *Castle&Gardens* (talk) 01:18, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Note: OP tries to sneak POV-commentary into articles by lying in their edit summaries, and has been reported at WP:ANI as a troll. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:28, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Castle&Gardens, Welcome to the Teahouse! It's not rare of being followed and your recent edits being undone in Wikipedia. Some users, who are more experienced than you, is correcting you, showing you the ways of how to be a good Wikipedian, Ian.thomson has been on Wikipedia at least for 6 months, at least older than me, I am only a week old! But I strive to learn, and on how to be good, is to learn, you should too, start from the beginning, and you'll see if you can interact with Ian much more friendly in the future. Being trollish kinda way doesn't really help you in your situation. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 01:30, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

They've been blocked for a week for disruptive editing and misleading edit summaries. Joseph2302 (talk) 01:32, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Reference finding

Hello. What is the easiest/best way to finding references? I use Google; it is easy to find references but it is hard to find reliable references. Where do the "pros" find references? Right now, I am trying to find a reference for this article's only cite needed tag. I am pretty bad at finding references. —DangerousJXD (talk) 01:30, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello DangerousJXD, I prefer finding references that is much reliable based on its information, the fact that I choose much more sophisticated ones, well, I research on them first, then list them down if they're certainly good at the information they're giving, based on per sources you give. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 01:35, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't want the above editor to be offended but can I have another editor answer please? —DangerousJXD (talk) 01:43, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I also use google. You get a lot of unreliable stuff, but also some great material. Once I have a bit of information (even from a lousy source), it gives me more information on what to search. I then narrow my search and find specific sources for specific information. For example, if I read on a blog (bad source) the country X invaded country Y in year Z, then I might put both country names, "invade" and the date in the search bar. Chances are something reliable pops up, either saying it is an urban legend, or that it actually happened, and giving more details, leading to a more specific search... It takes time but it is a lot of fun. It is also easier if you have access to some journal subscriptions through work or school. Hope that helps. Happy Squirrel (talk) 01:49, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey again DangerousJXD. Google is great but not the standard Google search, which is a search of the entire web. Google Books is a habitual first stop (to get there easily, do a regular Google search and then go to the menu at the top, under "more" and choose "books"). Though you'll find unreliable sources there as well (even books selling Wikipedia compilations), because of the nature of books, it concentrates reliable sources and is many times over better than a web search. Google Scholar can also be very useful (you have to search for that one, it's not in the regular interface, just type "scholar" into Google to reach it, or bookmark it of course). Google news used to be great but it's been greatly diminished in reach for almost three years; it still can be very useful, especially for more recent content (it's a link at the top of the page when you do a regular Google search). I put together a page for other news resources at Wikipedia:Free English newspaper sources. Of course there are pay services – newspaperarchive.com is incredible but it's expensive. Also, you can apply for certain subscriptions to great services like JSTOR through Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library. Also, be aware of the excellent service provided at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange (easy shortcut: WP:RX). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:48, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

What's going on with the navboxes?

All the navboxes that I've come across today didn't have a show/hide option and were displayed in their fully expanded state. Is this a compatibility issue for Google Chrome users (the browser I'm using) or something else? This problem seems to affect anything using the {{Hidden begin}} and {{Hidden end}} templates. CabbagePotato (talk) 01:03, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I've noticed that sometimes, when I clear browser history and cache, all of the navboxes seems to be fully expanded. At least thats what I think, I don't really consider this as a fact, but purging the cache is the culprit, in my opinion... ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 01:06, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

@CryOCed: That's an interesting observation, but the thing that's really bugging me is the lack of a show/hide button on the navboxes. I've never seen the button actually disappear before.

I also noticed that the Template pages for the navboxes display the show/hide option, while the transcluded versions (in the articles) do not. CabbagePotato (talk) 01:23, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

@CryOCed: I had to actually close the current browser window and open up a new one for the navboxes to display properly, so I think you should be right about the problem being caused by purging the cache. Thanks for your help! CabbagePotato (talk) 01:50, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Cool! I'm glad I could help those with a guess. Well that's rare. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 01:52, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

@CryOCed: Sorry to bother you again, but I've just noticed that it appears that the navbox issue still occurs whether or not the browser history is cleared, and it doesn't occur all the time: Sometimes the show/hide button displays and sometimes it doesn't. For all I know, this is just a personal issue not related to clearing the cache. But thanks for your help anyways. CabbagePotato (talk) 02:02, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

@CabbagePotato: Have you tried updating your browser? If it isn't updated, that's likely to be the source, in my opinion.. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 02:05, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

@CryOCed: My Chrome browser is currently up-to-date according to its "About" page. CabbagePotato (talk) 02:10, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

@CabbagePotato: Have you tried switching browsers? If it doesn't work, install some browsers, e.g "Firefox", "Opera", "Safari", and be sure to get the latest updates, also try enabling Javascript in your browser if its not yet active, try going to "Preferences" at the top of the page, and "Gadgets", and go to "Appearance", then uncheck the "Allow navigation menus to be collapsed if its checked. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 02:20, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

@CryOCed: The navboxes seem to be displaying properly in Firefox. Thanks again for all your help! CabbagePotato (talk) 02:28, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

@CabbagePotato: No problem! If you have trouble or help with anything, don't be shy to ask me! ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 02:33, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Correctness of having "(show)" where a [show] tag is used

I noticed earlier today that some pages use the Hidden template, and then add "(show)" at the end of the header, despite there being a [show] button on the right side of the page already. For example, a picture at the top of trypophobia is hidden, and the header redundantly includes (show). Is this bad practice, or there for the convenience of the reader? Typherix (talk) 01:19, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Typherix, I guess it's just some form of error, or some users are new to it and they don't understand it, you can fix them if you wish. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 01:38, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I just took the time to notice that Wongba hid the picture to avoid the reaction of editors if they have anxiety. ~CedricK (Talk to me!) 01:40, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks CryOCed! It definitely seems reasonable to do, just curious that it was decided to say it twice. Typherix (talk) 05:08, 28 May 2015 (UTC)