Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Grand Thailand
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Fails WP:GNG, no independent sourcing as required by WP:RS The Banner talk 19:38, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- Keep It's a major competition, selecting contestants to five internationnal beauty pageants. Article has already Lots of sources, I will add some more later. Kraxler (talk) 15:56, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- It would be nice when you add independent sources conform WP:RS instead of related sources. The Banner talk 16:57, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- To establish notabilty under WP:GNG we need coverage in "reliable sources which are independent of the subject". The Bangkok Post and The Nation are major metropolitan newspapers that are reliable sources under the guideline, there can't be any doubt about it, or do you question that? Now, how would they be related to the Miss Grand Thailand pageant? See Wikipedia:Independent sources#Examples, and tell me which one is it, "Owner, employees, corporate website, sales brochure, competitor"? Kraxler (talk) 17:34, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:09, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete. Another fancruft-article where the sources are forums, blogs, dead links and at best a passing mention in a source that at first sight seems reliable, but when checked has nothing to do with the subject of the article (the article in Bangkok Post that Kraxler mentions above is about a resort in Thailand, with only a passing mention of Miss Grand Thailand, and thus doesn't count at all when checking notability, and the article in The Nation is about that same resort and the girls who competed, with no in-depth coverage of Miss Grand Thailand, as required by WP:GNG, and thus doesn't count either...). Thomas.W talk 22:26, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Please see WP:CRUFT and WP:ITSCRUFT, the latter an "argument to avoid in deletion discussions". This article is a list of results and an overview of the pageant. Obviously most of the coverage refers to the particular annual pageants, and is written in Thai letters, difficult to search for. Besides, the nominator has nominated a large number of Miss-related articles for deletion (all that have been closed already were kept) and I spent the whole last week to dig up sources for them. You, Thomas W., should know about WP:BEFORE, especially B2 and B6. more to come... Kraxler (talk) 23:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Kraxler: This article is an improperly sourced attempt to create notability for a non-notable beauty pageant, a non-notability that is evident in your claim that you spent "the whole last week to dig up sources for them", obviously without finding any. Instead of taking all claims in all articles at face value, as you did in your keep !vote and have also done in other AfD-discussions where I've seen you !vote, and posting long lists of links to policies and guidelines, I suggest you actually read the policies and guidelines, and check the references in the articles, as we're supposed to do before !voting. And stop critising The Banner for nominating articles like this one for deletion, as you've done in multiple AfDs now, he's trying to clean up among the hundreds, if not thousands, of articles related to non-notable beauty pageants and equally non-notable beauty pageant participators that have been created, and are still being created, by indefinitely blocked user Mrdhimas and his multiple sock and meat puppets. I would also like to point out that WP:GNG doesn't require just "coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject", as you claimed a couple of notches up in this discussion; for a stand-alone article, like this, it requires significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources independent of the subject, and that significant coverage should be about the subject/topic of the article, i.e. the pageant, not the participants or the resort where the pageant is being held (as in the articles in Bangkok Post and The Nation). So there's not a single reliable source in this article (or in any other article related to Miss Grand International for that matter) that provides significant coverage of the article subject. Which is typical for all articles created by Mrdhimas and his associates in the beauty pageant industry. Thomas.W talk 08:58, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- No need to repeat it again and again, I understood already that you WP:DONTLIKE beauty pageants. Kraxler (talk) 18:36, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Kraxler: This article is an improperly sourced attempt to create notability for a non-notable beauty pageant, a non-notability that is evident in your claim that you spent "the whole last week to dig up sources for them", obviously without finding any. Instead of taking all claims in all articles at face value, as you did in your keep !vote and have also done in other AfD-discussions where I've seen you !vote, and posting long lists of links to policies and guidelines, I suggest you actually read the policies and guidelines, and check the references in the articles, as we're supposed to do before !voting. And stop critising The Banner for nominating articles like this one for deletion, as you've done in multiple AfDs now, he's trying to clean up among the hundreds, if not thousands, of articles related to non-notable beauty pageants and equally non-notable beauty pageant participators that have been created, and are still being created, by indefinitely blocked user Mrdhimas and his multiple sock and meat puppets. I would also like to point out that WP:GNG doesn't require just "coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject", as you claimed a couple of notches up in this discussion; for a stand-alone article, like this, it requires significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources independent of the subject, and that significant coverage should be about the subject/topic of the article, i.e. the pageant, not the participants or the resort where the pageant is being held (as in the articles in Bangkok Post and The Nation). So there's not a single reliable source in this article (or in any other article related to Miss Grand International for that matter) that provides significant coverage of the article subject. Which is typical for all articles created by Mrdhimas and his associates in the beauty pageant industry. Thomas.W talk 08:58, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- Please see WP:CRUFT and WP:ITSCRUFT, the latter an "argument to avoid in deletion discussions". This article is a list of results and an overview of the pageant. Obviously most of the coverage refers to the particular annual pageants, and is written in Thai letters, difficult to search for. Besides, the nominator has nominated a large number of Miss-related articles for deletion (all that have been closed already were kept) and I spent the whole last week to dig up sources for them. You, Thomas W., should know about WP:BEFORE, especially B2 and B6. more to come... Kraxler (talk) 23:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)