Talk:Two Minutes Hate

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Orwell may have been influenced by the Guy Fawkes night holiday in British culture, in which people burn effigies of purported national enemies — historically Guy Fawkes, but today others can be used (in recent years figures have included Osama bin Laden and George W. Bush).

I would like to see some evidence of this, as it strikes me as completely unfounded and made up - where is the 'link' between Guy Fawkes Night and a '2 minute hate' ?

Highly unlikely, and probably written by an American. Guy Fawkes' certainly wasn't a new thing at the time Orwell was writing. Can't say I remember any concept of burning Bush outside of Exodus.

Isn't it Two Minute Hate?--Acebrock 19:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Just checked my copy of Nineteen Eighty-Four. It's "Minutes," plural. Hbackman 22:54, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merging

The article is pointlessly short, and mostly composed of recapitulation of what is said in the Goldstein (which is the only that links it) or 1984 entry; it should be merged. --Malyctenar 12:04, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I for one was glad this article was here so i could direct someone easily to the reference instead of having them search through a longer article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Youdontsmellbad (talk • contribs)

In case anyone else raises the issue, I agree with the "glad this article was here" point. It's a useful article in its own right. JohnHarris (talk) 13:43, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Remembrance Day

I find it hard to see the proposed link between Remembrance Day's two minute silence and the Two Minute Hate speech. One is a poignant reminder of those who lost their lives in wars and how grateful we are to them to be alive and free, and the other is propaganda to brain-wash people into hating Goldstein. Ridiculous. Whoever wrote that needs his head checked out, because he's seeing hate everywhere.

Deleted relevant section.

Although it could of course be argued that the two minutes silence to remember the hundreds of thousands of dead is pathetic and irrelevant and mocks the hundreds of thousands who died -two minutes for thousands of lives. Some anti-war people say that glorifying the dead is not right whatever the reason -I disagree, but its possible because 1984 deals with anger and the evil of war, yet in reality positive things do come from war -of course 1984 is a dystopian novel so it can be idealistic.

I never made the connection between the Two Minutes' of Hate and Silence until I read your comment. Now that I have, I can't imagine that the link could've been anything other than intentional. It fits completely with the Orwell's expositon of the true horror of everyday life in 1984. It is exactly those thing you associate with the Silence that Orwell warps to darkly ironic effect. The Haters are being brainwashed to see exactly what you describe - hate everywhere. --81.159.161.115 (talk) 22:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Wal-Mart Cheer is essentially a two-minute hate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.163.106.71 (talk) 17:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Minutes' or Minutes?

The article currently uses the appellation Two Minutes' Hate, but my copy of the novel omits the apostrophe: Two Minutes Hate. Intuitively, the apostrophe seems correct, but also appears to contradict most print versions. I checked two other printings using Google Books and neither used an apostrophe. Clarification?--195.113.90.23 (talk) 22:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the apostrophe seems to be grammatically correct; but it is not present in the novel, so we have to stick to the title version. I have made the appropriate changes. – Richard BB 14:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Section - use of orwells concept

The source cited for this section is a BBC opinion column which itself cites one individual's opinion: "In 2012, regional TV boss Vadim Vostrov wrote a blog post in which he said that Rossiya 1's attacks on the liberal opposition reminded him of the "two minutes of hate" in George Orwell's 1984"

I submit that this reference falls below Wikidepia's standard for relevance and objectivity. Accordingly, I propose to remove it.50.100.29.3 (talk) 13:53, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I'm on the fence as to whether it is WP:UNDUE as, in the context of brevity of this article, it does stand out as being an attempt to make a point (i.e., WP:TROJAN / WP:COATRACK). Nevertheless, I've restored this content for the moment until some form of discussion as to developing the article further has taken place.

I haven't started looking into analogous examples involving the media in other nation-states, but am certain that there is room for developing this article further into the application if deemed appropriate.

By the same token, I'm unconvinced as to this even meeting WP:GNG as a stand-alone article, and am open to further discussion as to merging salient content into a well researched, pre-existing article such as Newspeak, or any other relevant article dealing with political propaganda/mass media, etc where other editors can evaluate relevant or irrelevant content. Any input by other editors is welcome. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:54, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the original research tag. The discussion as to whether this should be a standalone or not has more or less happened (see above) and as for citations, this section is the only one that has any notes at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.28.222.196 (talk) 00:39, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not a good example

"Russian T.V.'s Rossiya 1's attacks on the liberal opposition have been characterised as reminiscent of the 'two minutes of hate' in Orwells 1984 and Russian television has been used to portray Ukrainian troops as monsters during the War in Donbass. One of the most notorious examples was a (hoax) 2014 report on state-controlled Channel One TV that Ukrainian soldiers had crucified a three-year-old.[3]"

Actually the same could be said of a lot of Western media coverage of certain countries and people, especially in the Middle East. And Facebook.--176.58.92.198 (talk) 18:25, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's reliably source. If you have reliable sources discussing the term as applying to Western, Eastern, or any other form of media, you're welcome to add it. WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT is not an argument for removal. Please note, also, that this is an article talk page, not a WP:SOAPBOX. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:03, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]