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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) feminist 03:36, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The DailyER

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Usually college media needs years to work up notability. This one is nine years old and almost all the references are passing mentions. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 04:34, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - passes V, NPOV, NOR, has decent coverage in the Lincoln Journal Star, would not really fit at the Daily Nebraskan or UNL articles so no good merge destination. Smmurphy(Talk) 18:40, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Lee, Melissa (2007-12-05). "Students eager to start satire newspaper". Lincoln Journal Star. Archived from the original on 2017-04-02. Retrieved 2017-04-02.
    2. Dunker, Chris (2015-03-29). "UNL students will keep funding satirical newspaper". Lincoln Journal Star. Archived from the original on 2017-04-02. Retrieved 2017-04-02.
    3. Lee, Melissa (2007-12-13). "UNL board OKs satire newspaper". Lincoln Journal Star. Archived from the original on 2017-04-02. Retrieved 2017-04-02.
    4. Mertes, Micah (2009-08-18). "Omaha concert to benefit UNL's DailyER Nebraskan". Lincoln Journal Star. Archived from the original on 2017-04-02. Retrieved 2017-04-02.
    5. Klein, Jamie (2007-11-14). "Students aim to put comic spin on news in new publication". The Daily Nebraskan. Archived from the original on 2017-04-02. Retrieved 2017-04-02.
    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow The DailyER to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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The result was delete. North America1000 03:22, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Advanced Security Group

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No significant independent sources. Most (all ?) are own web-site and press releases. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH  Velella  Velella Talk   10:59, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 08:14, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Philippine School Sultanate of Oman

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Was deprodded without rationale or improvement. Wholly uncited original research. A bit of the promotional material was deleted back in November, but then more was added after that. Way too much commentary and NPOV material. Onel5969 TT me 11:31, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete and start over. Comment. This might be notable (and perhaps unique) as a Filipino school in Oman, but the article needs to state its sources. That's a lot of text with not a single citation. I think it's up to JCGDIMAIWAT (and anyone who wants to help) to find references, otherwise it must be deleted by WP policy WP:OR. My delete vote is because it's been over a week with no progress on WP:V. Jack N. Stock (talk) 04:59, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep as a secondary school per longstanding consensus and precedent. Does have a source. Quality of the article is irrelevant to notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:41, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • What is this "source"? It seems to me that the article needs to be completely rewritten with "reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented" per WP:OR. This requires someone willing to expend the time and effort. I looked for info online, found very little, so more research is required for WP:V. Verifiability doesn't merely mean that the school probably exists, it "means that other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source." As is, the article fails core content policies. I've added the references that I found, but I can't tell if the school is notable with this small amount of verifiable information. Jack N. Stock (talk) 04:22, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • AfD is not cleanup! We do not bring articles here if they need to be rewritten, only if they are not on notable topics. As for sourcing, the school's website is a source, so claiming it is unsourced is completely untrue. It may be poorly sourced, but that is not the same thing. There is obviously enough here for a stub, even if the rest of the article needs to be deleted. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:58, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as completely unsourced. If someone wants to put the work in and can demonstrate that this school has been the subject of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources, then I could support recreation, but this isn't the place for original research. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:51, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I cited some of the information, and removed a section that seemed entirely unverifiable and non-notable original research. Jack N. Stock (talk) 03:43, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. afairly good article , with enough sources to show both existence and importance. We almost always keep secondary schools with a real existence, and there is no reason why this one should be an exception DGG ( talk ) 18:05, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Per WP:PROF#C6. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric 09:57, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alangar Jayagovind

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Non Notable Uncletomwood (talk) 18:45, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, as failing WP:V. Every single ref given in the article is a dead link, and these references are only given as footnotes for the last two sentences in the article, dealing with his visiting positions and his 26 publications. Nothing in GoogleScholar, and almost nothing even for a plain google search[1]. For the latter, only 376 results, and almost all of those are to Wikipedia mirrors. Nsk92 (talk) 21:04, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Weak keep per WP:PROF#C6 as the subject was the academic head of an university (seems to be a government university). There are some secondary sources available for verification, on searching for "A Jayagovind" such as [3], [4], [5], [6]. These are not the best sources (they seem to be replying on press releases or are quotes by the subject), but can be used for verifiability. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 18:08, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Ultimately there are no policy-based "keep" opinions.  Sandstein  13:43, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Titanic Sinclair

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WP:NPF definitely seems to apply here. Benmite (talk) 02:51, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Titanic is a relatively notable director and musician, and is a major part of the That Poppy project which has gained serious traction in both the online niche AND the mainstream media lately. Cue her collaborations with Comedy Central and with iHeartRadio, all due to Titanic Sinclair. Imesko (talk) 22:54, 6 March 2017
Yes, he is a large contributor to the That Poppy project, but at the end of the day he is not nearly as notable or as well-known as Poppy herself. Also, I have not been able to find much about Poppy or Sinclair in the "mainstream media". Regardless of who managed to assist Poppy in collaborating with Comedy Central and iHeartRadio, he is not the one who appeared in the collaborations with them, Poppy is. I understand your point but would argue that to most, Sinclair is mostly a background figure who drives the project as opposed to someone who is at the forefront of it. As a musician, his band Mars Argo's work did not receive very much attention until his work with Poppy began to garner attention, and his work as a director has been minimal, to say the least. Benmite (talk) 21:23, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – Would have to agree with Benmite; Sinclair isn't a public figure and more of a back stage person for That Poppy. Although mentioned in some sources, he isn't the main subject about them and merely mentioned only. Most sources on this article point to social media (not reliable) or items relating to both Mars Argo and himself. The article has also seem to make random assumptions, such as the arrest section or what Sinclair had commented himself here on Twitter about the page (although it might be light to say that much information about himself isn't in the public domain) as pointed out by user Hay232. Adog104 Talk to me 19:56, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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What kind of comments have to be written here? And what is the problem with this article? Gonxunator (talk) 20:37, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Can be treated by an admin as a soft deletion (WP:SOFTDELETE) because of the lack of discussion. However, please don't ask me to undelete this.  Sandstein  13:46, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Brand X Music

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Primary sourced advert for non notable company. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:18, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. See WP:SOFTDELETE. Kurykh (talk) 06:26, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Little Fictions Tour

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fails WP:EVENT and WP:GNG. Search results are stuffs related only about the album Little Fictions —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 17:11, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 00:01, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

XTRMST

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Non-notable per notability guidelines for music. - TheMagnificentist 05:07, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep Sourced Orange County Register and Alternative Press. Both are highly reputable publications with a long history. The band also contains two artists who are considered notable, and both of those artists are in at least two ensembles who are considered notable (in the case of Davey Havok: AFI, Blaqk Audio and Dreamcar (featuring most members of No Doubt.) In the case of Jade Puget: AFI and Blaqk Audio.) citing rule #6 of notability "Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles. [note 5] This should be adapted appropriately for musical genre; for example, having performed two lead roles at major opera houses." Lacroixawayoflife (talk) 00:06, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. See WP:SOFTDELETE. Kurykh (talk) 06:27, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fatstone.tv

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Fails WP:GNG RoCo(talk) 19:06, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 06:27, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Geed

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vanity page, no independent sources Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:19, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. – Juliancolton | Talk 02:09, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Casa Cuba

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fails WP:GNG. gnews refers to "Casa cuba" in a different context not this gallery. LibStar (talk) 03:16, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep This a Cuban cultural initiative in Malaysia. It is similar to Canada house in London, but a lot less notable and famous. I did find several decent refs and added them. The organization is real, the refs and notability are real but not extremely strong. I am not sure how it hurts Wikipedia to keep the article. It might actually provide a minimal service to readers. If kept it should be renamed to Casa Cuba (Malacca) or (Malaysia) as there are other Casa Cubas (e.g. I saw refs for one in Tampa).198.58.162.200 (talk) 06:06, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep. Google " "Casa Cuba" Malaysia -wikipedia" yields several hits, including an Arab Today article and a The Star article from 2011 and 2016. Article has been expanded during this AFD, and could be expanded more from sources, but wp:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. Renaming the article to add a disambiguating phrase "(Malaysia)" or otherwise may be appropriate, but "Keep" decision is compatible. Renaming can be done by any editor after AFD closes, or put to a Requested Move at the Talk page of the article. --doncram 19:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 06:28, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Selangor Bio Bay

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Non notable "hi-tech area" fails WP:NGEOG because its not a natural place (like a pond or creek) or a road. If it is an actual structure, those have to pass GNG (at the least), and this doesn't. There are 4 or 5 news sources, but WIKIISNOT a list of every corporate structure ever. L3X1 (distant write) 02:00, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The nominator is mistaken. The guideline here is WP:GEOLAND, which covers populated places. In this case, it would seem to be a district, and so I believe GNG would apply. Gnews does reveal some articles. Searching for the Malaysian name might yield more. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:56, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
So it appears that this is an actual structure, and thus not covered under GEOLAND. The MY press has 5 or 6 articles on it, but I don't think that is enough to establish notability. In light of 22 Cortlandt St. AfD, I think this sin't going to pass GNg either. L3X1 (distant write) 14:49, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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No, it is clearly stated to be a "970-acre high-technology area. So it's clearly not a single structure. With all due respect, you should not be nominating articles for deletion without understanding the content. It couldn't be more clear that this is not a single structure, and I'm having trouble understanding why this is unclear to you. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:33, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The nominator is using "structure" to mean something different. Yes, erected populated places -- collections of structures that form districts -- are clearly covered by WP:GEOLAND. But that is besides the point. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:20, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I'll do the nominator a service and make his or her case, succinctly. This appears to be a stub on a recently announced planned high-tech business district. It is therefore likely not yet notable, even when local language sources are taken into account, based on what we can find. I have categorized it and added it to Template:Selangor, to get some eyeballs on it. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:06, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is not a "legally recognised populated place", but rather a commercial development (an office complex). In addition this is WP:TOOSOON with sparse coverage. Delete for now. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:16, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ella Mai

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A7 was rejected, unnamable unnotable musician, MUSICBIO L3X1 (distant write) 01:57, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep I don't believe that a musician being unnamable is an acceptable reason for a deletion nomination (honestly, unless this was a typing mistake, I would tend to consider such a reasoning quite prejudiced). Ella is quite famous actually, and qualifies on MUSICBIO. Called a "UK sensation" by Billboard,[7] and the "new queen of the breakup album",[8], Mai has released multiple EPs[9] and has appeared repeatedly on Billboard top charts: #20 on Billboard R&B Albums,[10] #8 on Billboard Heatseekser charts,[11] #38 on Billboard top R&B/Hip Hop albums,[12] and others. Here's her Billboard biography,[13] and some other significant coverages:[14][15][16][17]. Lourdes 03:05, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It was a typo, thanks for pointing it out, Lourdes. L3X1 (distant write) 13:56, 21 March 2017 (UTC) [reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 01:25, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lucas Adams

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Actor's entire article is built around one casting on Days of Our Lives, and likely built from an IMDb profile. Hardly a notable BLP. livelikemusic talk! 01:42, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. I think this article shouldn't be deleted no matter what other people say. This article has enough citations needed, and the citations support the article, about the number of tv shows and movies the actor has starred in. It is very annoying when some annoying editors think it's more than okay for the article to be deleted. So I'm against it. --Princessruby (talk) 18:45, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete as WP:TOOSOON. What votes like the above are really about are the Liv and Maddie fanboys. But, objectively, Adams is currently short on WP:NACTOR. Note that I can't even confirm if Adams' role on DOOL is currently a contract role or just a recurring role. Let's look at this one again in one year... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:37, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as WP:TOOSOON and WP:NACTOR. Lacking significant roles so far but looks like career is advancing. WP:BASIC for bios requires "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources" and references in article now say nothing about him as a person, just gives casting info which is not significant coverage. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:25, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep According to a trusted source, Lucas' role in days of our lives is a contract one. Just by someone saying it's not a contract, it doesn't mean they are right. Plus I can see a team has been formed, for this article to be deleted!!! --Princessruby (talk) 10:39, 27 March 2017 (UTC) (Striking – You already voted. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:26, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. North America1000 03:31, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sara Delamont

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This article lacks enough independent, reliable sources to establish notability. Two sources were written by the subject, and the other four are from her university, including her vita and a page of her specialties, which she wrote. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. no SALT yet ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:56, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Angus Gunn

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Speedy deletion per WP:G4 was contested on the grounds that he played in a pre-season friendly tournament, which is insufficient to meet WP:NSPORT. The article still fails WP:GNG as well. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:30, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:54, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Southside Wrestling Entertainment

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Nikki♥311 01:24, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. consensus confirms our usual practice 

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James Sheppard (politician)

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The "About James Sheppard" link returned an error message when I tried it on March 20, 2017. However, it appears to be a publication of the subject's campaign, which would make it not a reliable source by Wikipedia standards. More sources are needed to establish notabiltiy. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:19, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hello there. I can find unbiased news sources that back up this information, and will delete the "About James Sheppard" link promptly when more reliable sources are added. User:WuTang94 (talk) 01:39, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Found another reference and added to article (Rochester Business Journal) Cllgbksr (talk) 05:14, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep Meets WP:POLITICIAN criteria. "Politicians and Judges" (2) "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage". 4 reliable sourced articles, independent of each other covering subject. Cllgbksr (talk) 00:28, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The subject was the focus of an in-depth article describing his career when he retired as Chief of Police in 2013. In his role as chief, and in his current position as a county legislator, he is frequently quoted in the local Rochester press. He has not, from what I could find, been the subject in any national press (although he was featured in a column in the Albany Times Union). --Enos733 (talk) 17:04, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. For a figure of purely local notability, it takes quite a lot more than just four pieces of purely local media coverage to get them over WP:NPOL #2 — every single local police chief who exists at all, anywhere in the entire United States, could always show four pieces of purely local coverage. What it would take in this instance is coverage which shows him as more notable than the norm for his role, such as coverage extending significantly beyond the purely local and/or the number of available references being closer to 50 than to five. Bearcat (talk) 13:12, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The size of the city doesn't provide a free notability boost to a police chief at all. An article about a police chief always lives or dies on whether he's been shown to clear WP:GNG on the quality and volume of the sourcing, regardless of whether he's the police chief of the biggest city on the planet or the smallest village. Bearcat (talk) 14:30, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If the subject was just a candidate for mayor, many editors, including myself, would apply WP:ROUTINE toward all of the coverage generated during the mayoral campaign. Candidates for public office are not presumed notable, and the position of chief of police or county legislator have also not been afforded the presumption of notability (Note: the election contest might be (e.g. Ohio gubernatorial election, 2014)). The question in this case is whether a) the coverage of subject (prior to running for office) is sufficient to meet WP:GNG or b) whether the subject was a primary topic in national or international news coverage. I comment because this is a close case. There are much more than four pieces of local coverage of the subject, and one regional piece (that I have found). At least one of the local pieces is an in-depth feature of his career as chief of police. (As an aside, a majority of the article should be about the subject's extensive career, not his current campaign). --Enos733 (talk) 03:28, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Being a mayoral candidate doesn't assist notability either. People in politics get Wikipedia articles by winning election and thereby holding office, not by merely being a candidate in an election they haven't won. Bearcat (talk) 02:09, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I found more in-depth articles detailing Sheppard's career as police chief to explain why he is a "polarizing figure". Check out the new section on his police career career. User:WuTang94 (talk) 20:51, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. sufficient consensus DGG ( talk ) 18:02, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

City rivalry in Finland

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Cities have rivalries, of course. However, this article seems to be all WP:OR and is completely unsourced. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:50, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 03:37, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Beaufort Broncos

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No evidence of notability. May not exist. Rathfelder (talk) 22:56, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. What the IP writes makes little sense in terms of policy, and there is no other input, so this is essentially uncontested. This can be treated by an admin as a soft deletion (WP:SOFTDELETE) because of the lack of discussion. However, please don't ask me to undelete this.  Sandstein  13:48, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Up North (Comedy TV Series)

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Delete. Minimally sourced article about a television series which airs only on a single local IPTV website in a single city. There's no evidence being shown of the wider distribution needed to clear WP:NMEDIA, and no indication of reliable source coverage to get it past WP:GNG -- the only reference being cited here is the sales page of a DVD on Amazon. There's simply nothing here to deem it notable enough for an article. Bearcat (talk) 05:39, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Firstly I would like an explanation as to why the page has disappeared whilst it quite clearly states that there is a discussion as to whether this page will be deleted, It also states that I can still edit the page (and by edit I mean add further references(that I have not had time to add since I work and illness has required my attention of late...)) by the way, are you privy to the distribution details of the company that show the series? If so I would love to see evidence of that, from what I hear the show has been watched by and has tweets that mention the show as far away as Korea. Little bit out of the way considering the IPTV station as you say is local to Essex... Furthermore links with two actors who have pages on Wikipedia as well would to me suggest it is of interest to people who follow those pages. (ps. sorry if I seem a little ott with my rant here but I suffer from depression and not having a good time of late and this doesn't help particulary since I spent so much time setting the article up only to have you tear it down on a whim against it seems the rules stating that it was under discussion and I would still be able to edit it? Would love an explanation as to why I can't access the page anymore. (Ps. also why is there a page for Essex tv if its a local IPTV station? surely that contravenes the rules that you are mentioning earlier on in this talk?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.138.201.43 (talk) 10:13, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Apologies I was able to edit the article I misunderstood how to get to it but the links to the page from relevant other articles have been removed that's what initially annoyed me about not being able to edit it. I will add more references to the show. I am still wondering why there is scrutiny over my article being about a show on a local iptv network though and yet an article exists for the channel itself, that seems to contradict itself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.138.201.43 (talk) 10:19, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:53, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Pippen

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self-published, no independent coverage Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:29, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. We can't relist this discussion forever. There's real disagreement about whether WP:ENT is met, and the article is no longer completely unsourced. Mackensen (talk) 21:44, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kristin Fairlie

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BLP unsourced since 2008 (almost 9 years ago). — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:23, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: Per WP:ENT. She has had several significant roles in notable television shows and movies. Her significant roles, such as in Little Bear, can easily be found by just searching. A couple of seconds alone verified her role as Little Bear. SL93 (talk) 01:30, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sourcing is required to verify all of that. No sourcing = no verification of notability. The article is currently unsourced – if it's still unsourced in a week, it should probably be deleted. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:40, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • That's not how AfD works. SL93 (talk) 04:54, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • And...really? - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raymond Thompson. SL93 (talk) 04:59, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        • No, that's exactly how AfD works – notability is demonstrated by sourcing. That's the only real way to demonstrate whether an individual is notable or not. And "really?" what?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:00, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
          • True, but the keep voters don't need to add those sources to the article. It's not required. The really refers to your comment in that AfD, which is also currently unsourced. SL93 (talk) 05:02, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
            • "Keep" voters that don't add sources aren't worth much IMO, especially if they quote no sources here either. If you believe an article is worth keeping, you find the sourcing and add it to the article. That's what I do. Meanwhile, the Raymond Thompson discussion belongs at that AfD, not this one... In any case, you've apparently got one source for this one, and it's no more than a passing mention. This one needs much more to merit a "Keep" vote. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:07, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
              • I don't need more than to verify multiple roles to make it pass WP:ENT, passing mentions or not. I can show more references to prove the roles if it makes you happy. I don't think hypocritical opinions (as in the above mentioned other AfD) are worth much either. SL93 (talk) 05:12, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
              • I have also been participating in AfDs for years, including for many entertainers. I do know that verifying multiple significant roles is enough to keep an article. SL93 (talk) 05:15, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
                • It's not – what verifies that roles are "notable" is independent sourcing. WP:NACTOR does not trump WP:BASIC, it's meant to support it. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:19, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
                • Actually, yes, you do "need more than to verify multiple roles to make it pass WP:ENT, passing mentions or not". NACTOR is not passed just because multiple roles are asserted, because every actor who's ever had roles at all would clear ENT if asserting the roles were all it took. We've seen people try to claim an NACTOR pass on the basis of a person having had two unnamed extra roles, in fact. NACTOR is passed only when the depth and quality of sourcing shows that the performer was the subject of substantive media coverage in reliable sources for those roles — even the question of whether the roles were "major" enough to count as significant for the purposes of passing NACTOR lives or dies on the quality of the sources that can be shown to support the majorness of the roles. Bearcat (talk) 06:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
                  • If that is the case, then WP:NACTOR and the rest of the supplementary guidelines are really not needed. All that Wikipedia would need is the GNG. SL93 (talk) 20:56, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
                    • Not true. If all we "needed" was the GNG, and we had no supplementary guidelines to clarify what counts as a notability claim in the first place, then we would have to start keeping articles about everybody who ever got into their local newspaper for doing anything at all — including presidents of church bake sale committees or condominium boards, teenagers who got human interest pieces written about them because they tried out for the high school football team despite having only nine toes, winners of high school poetry contests, the woman a mile down the road from my parents who got into the media for waking up one morning to find a pig in her yard, and me. So no, neither SNGs nor the GNG exempt a person who passes one of them from having to pass the other too. A person whose notability passes an SNG does still have to be sourceable to media coverage for their passage of the SNG, and a person who has media coverage for the purposes of GNG still has to have that coverage be in a context that counts as a notability claim under an SNG. Bearcat (talk) 08:18, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'm beginning the process of adding sources to this article. I'll try to look at it more over the weekend. We'll see if it gets there... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:40, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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We don't keep articles with a refimprove tag on them just because it's theoretically possible that the referencing might become improvable someday. For Kristin Fairlie to get that treatment, the onus is on you to definitively show that the necessary depth of sourcing about her does exist — it's not enough to just say that the necessary depth of sourcing might just maybe possibly exist without showing hard evidence that it is really out there for real. Anybody could just say that better sources might someday show up about anything or anyone who exists at all — the way to earn a "keep and flag for refimprove" is to show that better sources do exist to improve the article with. Bearcat (talk) 17:06, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What determines a pass or fail of WP:ENT is not the simple listing of roles — every actor who exists at all would pass ENT if listing roles were all it took. Whether an actor gets a Wikipedia article or not hinges on whether she has garnered sufficient reliable source coverage for those roles, but there's still no evidence of that being shown here. Bearcat (talk) 16:56, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete is where I come down on this. Fairlie has actually had some substantial credits. But the projects themselves are of the type that don't generate a lot of independent coverage, so what coverage there is for her is... on the "light" side. In fact, that is generally true of voice actors – they generally don't get press coverage. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:56, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep she has been in enough major productions that I consider her to be as notable as an actor having only two notable roles in two notable works--just as long as that laundry list of roles can be verified. If there is any reason to believe the list has major errors, I would reconsider. --David Tornheim (talk) 12:31, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Consensus is this fails WP:GNG due to lack of sources, and WP:FOOTYN because the team hasn't played their first match yet. No reason it can't be re-created (or this version restored) if/when these problems are resolved. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Naples United FC

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Unpromising google search. Article is about small soccer team that hasn't played yet, TOOSOON, CRSYTAL, WP:FOOTYN L3X1 (distant write) 00:19, 21 March 2017 (UTC) Nom Withdrawn unless it would be considered disruptive, I would like to postpone this deletion until May 25th 2017, after their scheduled debut game. I think NAC would allow the Nom to close this as Probational Keep, withdrawn, so I can close this tomorrow unless this is objectionable. L3X1 (distant write) 15:40, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@L3X1: Given that there are !votes to delete the article, withdrawal of the nomination is not an option unless all such !votes are also withdrawn. If every !vote were to keep the article, you could withdraw your nomination and close it yourself, but this is not the case. If you were to attempt an NAC close, it would quickly be reverted. I would recommend allowing the AFD to run its course and have an admin make the final decision. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 12:59, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Jkudlick OK, I'll let it run its course. Thanks for explaining. L3X1 (distant write) 14:20, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pinging some people from the football projects because of their experience, not SHOPPING nor Meat puppetry. I don't know how they will vote, or what they will say. I may have experience with them before, but I have not attempted to influence their vote in anyway. GiantSnowman Kosack Jellyman FilthyDon Peter_James Number_57 BoroFan89 Jkudlick L3X1 (distant write) 00:31, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep given that the team is scheduled to begin play in only a little over a month, I don't think a TOOSOON/CRYSTALBALL deletion is a good idea. Furthermore, almost every team in that league has an article, and I don't think this should be an exception. Lepricavark (talk) 00:58, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG - hasn't been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources. Hack (talk) 02:49, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - as the club hasn't played a match, it falls short of WP:FOOTYN and the expectation of it playing, even in the near future, is WP:CRYSTAL. There seems to be surprisingly little coverage for a new franchise which would mean it does not pass WP:GNG either. Can be restored by an admin as soon as they play. Kosack (talk) 07:37, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - cannot see from Google that this team even exists. GiantSnowman 08:10, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - fails WP:FOOTYN, no indication the club has played in a national competition, no indication of any other achievements garnering sufficient significant, independent coverage to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 12:10, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Club has not yet played a single match (WP:CRYSTAL), though it is listed on the NPSL website as a current club. Strangely, I find no other mention of the club on Google or Yahoo searches, so WP:GNG is clearly failed. Regarding WP:FOOTYN, there are three prior AFDs (Grand Rapids FC, AFC Ann Arbor, and Oakland United FC) that pointed out a particular ambiguity within the club notability section: All teams that have played in the national cup (or the national level of the league structure in countries where no cup exists) are assumed to meet WP:N criteria. Teams that are not eligible for national cups must be shown to meet broader WP:N criteria. This does not address teams which are eligible to play in the national cup but have not yet done so; overall consensus seems to have developed (see the three prior AFDs) that mere eligibility confers notability, but that is a discussion for elsewhere. To reiterate, I !vote to delete because WP:GNG is failed, and the club has not played a single match so WP:CRYSTAL applies and WP:FOOTYN does not. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 13:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This is probably because of larger team S.S.C. Napoli who play in Italy, the english name for this city is Naples.AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 20:59, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep CRYSTAL doesn't apply, the team's about to begin their season. Just about every team in the league they're currently in has entered into the U.S. Open Cup, so unless it's clear this team won't also be held to that standard, it meets FOOTYN. This is a case for expansion, not deletion. If the article can't be expanded and improved within a few months, then come back and delete it. I would support deletion then 1000%. There's no rush. South Nashua (talk) 17:01, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator suports this reasoning as superior to deletion If the article can't be expanded and improved within a few months, then come back and delete it. I would support deletion then 1000%. There's no rush. L3X1 (distant write) 19:52, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep No point deleting if they will soon pass WP:NFOOTY. AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 18:57, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would really like to vote "Keep" but since there is so little citation on this very article (4 or 5 different searches on both google and bing yealded 3 sources, one being the teams Facebook page and the other two being promotional) I cannot. Ether way it seems like WP:TOOSOON, I think L3X1 immediate comment above is the best way to go. Inter&anthro (talk) 13:59, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete As per the previous comment, I'd be inclined to want to keep the article on the basis that most clubs at their level have been deemed notable, but the complete lack of reliable sources is a real problem for me. You would think a new franchise would generate some press coverage, but apparently not in this case. The fact they haven't played yet isn't the issue, it's the fact that they fail WP:GNG based on lack of significant coverage. Jellyman (talk) 14:42, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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