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Marasuchus revert

Hello, I saw that you had reverted one of my recent edits, claiming that I had plagiarized an Encyclopedia Brittanica article. I agree that there is a portion of the description section which evidently copies that source, although it is cited. However, I should inform you that I did not add this information, it was added on March 31st, 2016 by a user named Paleocemoski. My edit was composed of original descriptions of anatomical features as well as some reformatting and citing. I did not remove the offending information because I did not know it was plagiarized. It seems that your reversion, though well-meaning, actually removed all of my (non-plagiarizing) material while retaining the plagiarized info. So the problem is not solved, and my work has been erased. I'm asking you to restore my version of the page, and I'll make sure to remove the plagiarized info that was present prior to my edit. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 15:17, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Fanboyphilosopher, I ended the revision deletion and reverted my own edit. Please let me know when you are done so that I can do a revision deletion on the encyclopedia Britannica text. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:29, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the assistance, I have removed or rewritten all of the plagiarized content. Let me know if I've missed anything. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 16:41, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Fanboyphilosopher, Looks fine, thanks. S Philbrick(Talk) 16:49, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello! New user could use some tips

Hi there! I'm a new user to Wiki and I just noticed you deleted my article for copyright. I'm guessing that was because I quoted some poetry. I had thought this would be alright if properly cited and marked as a quote, but if this is not the case I can easily take these bits out. I also used a number of other sources and wrote the rest of the article in my own words. Please advise on how I can fix the article to comply with copyright. I thought I had it right last time but I'm happy to change it! Always learning — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacquie.ra (talk • contribs) 18:45, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Jacquie.ra, This page: Wikipedia:Quotations

Should have some useful information.

You are on the right track to think that including in quotation marks and properly citing is critical, but that's not sufficient in the case of overly long quotes. the most common example is that editors want to include the lyrics of a song. In general, with the obvious exception of lyrics that are in the public domain or in rare cases lyrics that have been properly licensed, we revert the inclusion of lyrics in articles. The same principle applies to poetry.

It's my observation that are accepted length "rules" (not explicitly stated as far as I know but based upon practice) are more stringent than other publications allow. I commonly see newspapers and blogs excerpting hundred word or more passages, identifying them (hopefully) with block quotes and citations, but we generally want shorter passages.

The language on the page I quoted does not give firm rules it relies on statements such as "limited in extent".

This answer is insufficient I can check with another copyright expert who has more experience with quotation issues. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:06, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. I didn't find any firm rules on length of quotations either - which is why I assume longer ones would be alright. However, I should be able to make the same points using smaller (perhaps one line) citations from these poems. Would this satisfy copyright rules? Either way, I'm happy to take the quotations out entirely for now, since the rest of the article was in my own words, and I would love to reinstate those unrelated/uncontested edits. Jacquie.ra (talk) 19:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC) Jacquie.ra

Yes, shorter excerpts (quoted or block quoted) with citations should be fine.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

I just updated the page to include shorter block quotes. Let me know if there is still an issue and I'll be happy to change it again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacquie.ra (talk • contribs) 14:48, 29 April 2019 (UTC)