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Request on 16:22:18, 15 August 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Jamesharrower


Hi Liance, thanks for your feedback. I'm keen to learn a bit more, have you got examples of the type of sources that you would consider significant? Businessinsider.com for example?

Jamesharrower (talk) 16:22, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jamesharrower, Business Insider should work as a source in establishing notability and coverage. I took a look at the sources in your draft, and the reference to the James Derby website should be removed since it isn't independent of the subject itself. In addition press releases generally aren't considered to be good reference material, and many of the references seem to be issued or affiliated with the subject in some way so I would recommend finding sources that are independent of the subject. Lastly, your username seems to indicate a conflict of interest with the subject, so I would highly recommend you to WP:DISCLOSE your relationship. Hope this helped! -Liancetalk/contribs 17:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 18:42:35, 15 August 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by 164.41.237.119


I want to request specific reasons to decline Analizo article!


Analizo is a long term maintaned static analysis project, developed as free software and used for many researchers over the world, the Analizo draft submitted is much better and has much more reliable informations then others articles of others tools like Analizo, just as example check these articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PVS-Studio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SofCheck_Inspector

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sotoarc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagix_4D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiuwan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Yetus

None of then has the Quality of the current Analizo Draft has, only to cite a few ones, see more articles on the list of static analysis tools at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_for_static_code_analysis

You will find there many articles and tools accepted on Wikipedia with worse quality then Analizo article Draft.

Also, how the references added on the Draft is weak and miss of idependency of the subject? The paper added as reference is a paper accepted and presented in one of the most important congress of this subject in Brazil, the paper added as reference was presented at CBSOFT 2010 conference, the most traditional conference about SOFTWARE (including software engineering, computer science, and so on), refence here http://wiki.dcc.ufba.br/CBSOFT/AcceptedTools

For sure the Article about Analizo needs improvements, but you can't say that miss independent and reliable information, as pointed here here is lots of articles about tools like Analizo with worse and much few reliable information.

Please, review the article again, thanks.

164.41.237.119 (talk) 18:42, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I rejected your draft because I felt that it did not show notability, as there were only two references, one a Github repository and the other one linking to the subject's website. Most of the articles you listed with "worse quality" have independent references that show notability and coverage to some extent (and some of them also do not meet Wikipedia's preferred standards for notability), however your draft only included one non-independent source (as a github repo usually isn't counted). See WP:GNG for more information. If you feel that I did not adequately review your article feel free to submit again, however I highly recommend you add more references to establish coverage or notability as it would greatly improve the draft's likelihood of being accepted into the mainspace. Hope this helped. -Liancetalk/contribs 18:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: 1988 in Punjab

"The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at Punjab. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, you are welcome to add that information yourself. Thank you."

These two events (flood and operation black thunder) were important in 1988 but they don't define Punjab. Punjab is the home of Indus valley civilization, home of panini, Taxila university, frontier of Alexander's farthest campaign, battle field of Aryans, mongols, afghans, iranians, arabs, english, sikh, maratha and turkic tribes, home of green revolution, Largest migration in human history How can you merge these events in Punjab article? Wikipedia is not perfect pedia. Later others can add to article. Serjatt6 (talk) 13:37, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Serjatt6. At the time of review, I did not feel that the draft had enough content to warrant a separate article from the main article (Punjab), as it only had a short mention of a flood, and this snippet of information would be better off merged into the primary article. Generally, articles for certain years in locations are more fleshed out (see 1988 in the United Kingdom for example). If you feel that you have added enough content and would like another review please feel free to resubmit your draft. Thank you. -Liancetalk/contribs 16:03, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 14:25:17, 21 August 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by ITLRosanna


The article I submitted on Brandon Cahill aka Vic Sage was not accepted. One of the comments asked me to remove all references to Apple Music and Spotify - however here is an article where the references link to both Apple Music and Spotify: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futuristic_(rapper). Additionally Spotify's Viral 100 and Viral 50 charts have become reliable indicators of music that is being shared digitally; the site is not just a place to post and listen to music - it shows when artist's songs are being shared locally and globally to a higher degree than others. Apple Charts also show when an album has risen to their top most downloaded albums - which was the case with the album in this article "Low Key." Please reconsider the use of Spotify and Apple Music as they are sources that show the status of a musical artist as producing and disseminating songs digitally and that are gaining more traction than other digitally disseminated songs - both in the US and globally. Thank you.

ITLRosanna (talk) 14:25, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ITLRosanna. Although the article you linked does have references to Apple Music and other media streaming websites they are generally not needed and are not usable in establishing coverage/notability. Please make sure your subject meets WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG through your other references - this is the most important criteria you should keep in mind while writing your draft. Hope this helps. -Liancetalk/contribs 16:09, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

creating the page Film and Religion

Dear Liance, thank you for your email. I am a Wordpress blogger, and I thought that it is worth to give wikipedia a try. It't clear that the problem in deleting the post is that I used some of my own writing from wordpress in the page. This might cause a real struggle to me as I will need to paraphrase alot. I have already did in this page that I was creating but indeed there was a copy and paste. I did put the subject in a new format here, and added new points. I am willing to fix the errors so please let me know if anything else I can do :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mo mohanna (talk • contribs) 19:03, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 19:52:02, 25 August 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by EllenFisherTurk


I attributed the reviews of the documentary 1-12. Ellen Fisher Turk

EllenFisherTurk (talk) 19:52, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A cup of tea for you!

Hallo Launce? , i got your review thanks ,But kindly for the citation i have placed several of them to justify my sourcing .

But if there is anything that i need to add for the article to go thought. kindly notify me or add for me , i will really appreciate SAMUEL WIKI EDITOR (talk) 06:30, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Liance,

You appear to be quite busy so I will be brief. 1. Thanks for moving my proposed page from the sandbox. 2. I understand and support neutrality and respect full disclosure of COI. 3. And, I believe that what my company is accomplishing is unique and meets Wiki's notability standard. If you can spare the time, I would greatly appreciate your opinion on that last point. Thanks again, DriverSafety (talk) 13:59, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DriverSafety. My advice to you would to be to ensure that you have references that show significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable secondary sources. The inclusion of multiple references that demonstrate notability (see WP:NCORP) increases the likelihood that your article will be accepted. In addition, make sure you clearly declare your COI on your user page in order to meet Wikipedia guidelines. -Liancetalk/contribs 21:09, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Liance. I have tried and failed to declare my COI on my user page because I do not know how to do it. I thought I had, and then what I added was no longer there when I next looked. Regarding the multiple references, I included several peer reviewed scientific publications that report on the third party independent researcher program evaluations that my company supports to validate our training programs. This process is part of the concurrent engineering approach our company invests in and which, I believe, makes it notable for a company of our small size. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DriverSafety (talk • contribs) 04:41, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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66.165.177.7 (talk) 16:39, 30 August 2019 (UTC) Hi Liance, Have you been assigned to edit my proposed article about Sherwood Ross? If not, will somebody contact me at some point to discuss any revisions? I am in the process of trying to obtain rights to certain historic photos from AP and Getty Images.[reply]

I have also disclosed on my Talk Page that Sherwood Ross is my father and I may be considered to have a COI. Am I required to take any further action in the interest of full disclosure. If so, please advise.

Thank you, Karl

Hi 66.165.177.7, currently the article Draft:Sherwood Ross has been submitted for review so that means an editor will review it for inclusion in the wiki. Please note that any images uploaded to the wiki must be under a license that is freely licensed with no exceptions (see WP:IUPC). Make sure to note a COI on your user page by declaring your affiliation to the subject clearly. Hope this helped. -Liancetalk/contribs 21:06, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

August 30 - Thanks and draft naming question

Thanks for helping me get my new article draft in the right place! I am new at this. Unfortunately I realized too late that my page Draft:Lucid has the same name as Lucid. Do you know if I can change the title to something that hasn't been taken yet? A Wikipedia:Requested_moves? Thanks again for your help! Chaud321 (talk) 22:28, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chaud321. I have moved your draft to Draft:Lucid (company). Since the article isn't on the mainspace there shouldn't be any real issues with name conflicts as Draft names aren't final. -Liancetalk/contribs 23:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's perfect! Thanks so much. Chaud321 (talk) 23:28, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sabine Dahinden now in Draft:Sabine Dahinden

Hi, Sabine Dahinden is almost a Celebrity in Switzerland. It is normal to have also an article in english. Best regards --Netpilots (talk) 13:43, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Netpilots. The draft currently does not have enough references to demonstrate the notability required for inclusion in the wiki per notability policies (see WP:BIO). Non-english sources are also acceptable if English sources are harder to find, if you feel that the subject has better coverage in another language it would be acceptable to use those as well. Hope this helps. -Liancetalk/contribs 18:12, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Liance She won a "Prix Walo" (2015) Prix_Walo#Award:_public_preferred_artists. One more reason to make the article relevant. --Netpilots (talk) 07:16, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 16:29:50, 02 September 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by JohnCena569

Hey Liance, hope all is well.

Thank you for taking the time to look at my article. I'm new to this and apologise if my knowledge is not up to scratch on all this.

I had a good look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music) and the other articles on Independent, reliable sources etc.

I'm having a little trouble understanding the degree of notability that a website/article must have and how this is determined before it can pass as a reliable source on wiki. I looked at a number of other Australian artists to best gauge what referencing was being used and thought the ones I had used for 'Jaycee's' article were up to standard, that being Independent and reliable.

Could you please help me in understanding which specific articles were not acceptable and why? and if possible, if there is anyway to determine beforehand the notability of an article before referencing again. I would hate to keep re-editing with insufficient reliable sources.

Thanks so much for your time! --JohnCena569 (talk) 06:29, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JohnCena569. Your draft was declined because the references in there generally did not show significant coverage. Most were links to streaming sites (i.e. iTunes), event listings or nonreliable user-contributed sources like Genius. Generally, the sources needed to show notability should be in-depth, not lists or passing mentions. For example, an article on a website like the New York Times would work. In addition, make sure your subject meets the criteria at WP:NMUSIC. Hope this helps. -Liancetalk/contribs 16:15, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A cupcake for you!

Thank you for your help and hard work. I appreciate it. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:36, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the message! Happy editing. -Liancetalk/contribs 19:02, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Liance! Thank you for your notes! I just want to make certain I understand the reason SheVibe,Inc. wasn’t accepted. From what I understand it was solely due to not having substantive press citations that are more than a passing mention as well as the citations I included not being from more well-known sources? I just want to make certain that I don’t have to address anything else. Thank you again for reviewing my proposed entry!

Best, Elle

Hi Ellechase. Another editor rejected your draft and left a comment (on your talk page) saying they felt it did not meet Wikipedia's company notability policy (WP:NCORP), which specifies the criteria a subject has to meet before it is considered for inclusion. The primary issue they noted was the usage of non-independent sources - references should have no affiliation with the subject and must show significant coverage. First and foremost, I would recommend removing all references to Wikipedia pages (as they noted) since it can't be used as a reference as well as sources that are retail websites or are affiliated with the subject, and then adding sources that help to satisfy criteria if possible. Hope this helps. -Liancetalk/contribs 22:29, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 22:23:29, 3 September 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by JGreene20


Liance, many thanks for your help on the LIGO Documentary submission. I have added further documentation, from the Bali Film Festival, where the film is showing this month, and the National Science Foundation, their funder. I steered clear of the kind of citations that were more promotion and advertising, which I believe is the right choice. It is an important documentary, and very new, as is detailed. I trust much new information and new documentation will be added in the coming months, but I hope this now is well enough defined that it can be accepted. Most important, the internal Wikipedia links to their production groups, Advanced LIGO Documentary Project and LIGO Scientific Collaboration reflect organizations already fully vetted by Wikipedia. Many thanks ~~John Greene~~

JGreene20 (talk) 22:23, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JGreene20. I still feel that your draft (Draft:LIGO Documentary) does not show that the subject is notable because none of your sources show significant coverage while also being secondary and independent. Please make sure your references are not affiliated with the subject, and have deep coverage of the subject. IMDb is not an acceptable reference. You should review Wikipedia's notability criteria WP:NN to make sure your submission is adequately supported to show notability. -Liancetalk/contribs 22:33, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are you able to review a draft again?

Hi Liance,

Thanks for taking the time to review "FinalStraw" in March. I updated the post and added 10+ citations. Are you able to take another look? If not, is there another way to have the page reviewed again?

Here is the link to the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:FinalStraw — Preceding unsigned comment added by KariField (talk • contribs) 00:33, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

Kari 9/4/19 — Preceding unsigned comment added by KariField (talk • contribs) 00:32, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi KariField. You can always submit the draft for review again by putting {{subst:submit}} at the bottom of your draft. It will then be entered into the AfC queue and an editor should review it soon. Hope this helps. -Liancetalk/contribs 01:06, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Help with an article

Hi Liance, Can you help me with an article? In case yes, how can I contact you to send you my draft? Admin User:RHaworth advised me to ask and contact a user for help, because he finds my article "spammy". Thanks, Biographitor (talk) 12:30, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks RHaworth. Yes Biographitor/Wikinomicus, feel free to email me once you have the text of your article, I would be happy to take a look at your draft. Best, -Liancetalk/contribs 18:56, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both. Actually Biographitor is a different user, we were writing the article about Leon Zimmermann together. So you deleted a user without reason (I guess), RHaworth! Wikinomicus (talk) 15:24, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please advise

Thank you for your assistance, I appreciate any help I can get. I'm looking forward to seeing this page come to fruition. There are literraly hundreds of facts and references related to Mike Roche of TSOL. It's been a bit frustrating for figuring out the process although I'm enjoying the writing.Hopefully third times a charm. TVaughanSoCal (talk) 19:38, 8 September 2019 (UTC)TvaughanSoCal 090819 Did I do that right? lol[reply]

Hi TVaughanSoCal, I would advise taking a look at WP:NMUSIC, which lists some important criteria for notability related to music subjects, as well as WP:NPERSON and WP:NN for more general notability. As of now your draft is missing a lot of inline citations which are necessary for establishing notability coverage, so I would recommend finding some independent and secondary sources with significant coverage (e.g. a news article, book, etc) and adding them so that information and notability can be verified. Please let me know if you have any more questions. Thanks! -Liancetalk/contribs 20:09, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh thank you I do have more questions

Hi Liance~ I do have more questions..Sorry to bug. Can you just do this for me??? lol Ok, I read both your suggesstions I appreciate all of this and I think I'm getting there. I added Billboard top 200 and a couple more things. Thank you bunches! TVaughanSoCal (talk) 20:43, 8 September 2019 (UTC)TVaughanSoCal 090819[reply]

It's good to see that you are making improvements. Remember that whenever you feel ready you can resubmit your draft for review. -Liancetalk/contribs
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