Talk:Greta Thunberg/Archive 7
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Agent/Manager?
I am closing this as a BLP violation that has gone on for long enough: what we have here is speculation and, worse, innuendo, with the suggestion that this young woman is not capable of making her own decisions. Editing and writing for Wikipedia is easy: it starts with reliable sources. If you don't have that, please find a subreddit. Drmies (talk) 20:54, 19 December 2019 (UTC) |
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The article should include a section on the management of her activism. I’m not sure what to call it that would bring neutral context. Campaign Manager? Publicist? Agent? PR Guy? I feel like those could be misread as loaded words. Regardless of what it’s called, the article should include a section on who helps her write and translate her speeches. Who provides financial support? How is she educated when she’s frequently traveling (private? If so how is it financed?) Etc. --72.191.9.157 (talk) 14:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
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This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Greta Thunberg article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
There are way too many forum shoppers posting here. I suggest that we delete all contributions that do not have the aim to improve this article. One should not feed the trolls. Schwede66 06:38, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - who is to decide what does and what does not "have the aim to improve this article"? We have enough arbitrary judgements passed here by both her fan club and her detractors. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:44, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Heavy-weight apporach is not a good idea. Last thing we need right now is an edit-war on this very talk page. General-forum-like posts may be removed on per case basis (per WP:TPO Off-topic posts). Pavlor (talk) 12:43, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - The description of the removed posts as forum-like is the arbitrary opinion of one user, arbitrarily imposed. PeepleLikeYou (talk) 13:58, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - For the well-stated reasons above. Johnrichardhall (talk) 17:38, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - There is already too much suppression of opinion on this person and the subject of climate change in general. 81.146.44.26 (talk) 15:38, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: opinion on this person and the subject of climate change in general is exactly that kind of content not suitable for a Wikipedia article talk page. Pavlor (talk) 16:11, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- But we are discussing the removal of a discussion about the size of the article, not removal of a discussion about Greta or the subject of climate change. PeepleLikeYou (talk) 00:00, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- When seeking facts it behooves one to not only suppress——but to ignore——opinion. Johnrichardhall (talk) 20:41, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: opinion on this person and the subject of climate change in general is exactly that kind of content not suitable for a Wikipedia article talk page. Pavlor (talk) 16:11, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- This is obviously how we do things and is not subject to local consensus. Per WP:TALK,
The purpose of an article's talk page (accessible via the talk or discussion tab) is to provide space for editors to discuss changes to its associated article or WikiProject. Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views on a subject. When talk pages in other namespaces and userspaces are used for discussion and communication between users, discussion should be directed solely toward the improvement of the encyclopedia.
That general principle isn't subject to change per WP:CONLOCAL. We can of course disagree over whether a particular discussion falls under WP:FORUM, but any discussion unambiguously not related to improving the article must be removed and we cannot change that via discussions here, so the opposition above has no weight. --Aquillion (talk) 21:01, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- Which is exactly why I removed the contribution "Size" above as it was clearly not aimed at improving this article. My removal was reverted by User:PeepleLikeYou. Schwede66 22:00, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- Well, I looked at that section--I'd have removed it if I didn't see any point to it, but even though it's sort of a throwaway comment, it's not a FORUM post. Drmies (talk) 22:40, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- This discussion has taken a turn for the worse, it is starting to look like an episode of Monty Python's Flying Circus on this talk page. The claims as to why the discussion were removed are absurd. The removed content is very clearly not a discussion of Greta Thunberg or climate change, it's about the size of the article itself, which is obviously quite an appropriate topic for the talk page about how to improve the article, e.g. by reducing the size, or even questioning whether the size is important. PeepleLikeYou (talk) 00:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- oppose. Please see Talk Page Guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.191.9.157 (talk) 05:28, 20 December 2019 (UTC)