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Typo - "rgar" for that

The page says: "Attempts at compromise followed. Lincoln and the Republicans rejected the proposed Crittenden Compromise rgar was contrary to the Party's free-soil platform." It seems obvious that "rgar" is a qwerty-keyboard typist's shift over error for "that".

Also, "Indeed, the most ample evidence to the contrary has all the while existed and been opnen to their inspection." Here open was likely intended.

I am not privileged enough to edit these on the main page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.109.208 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2019

Inside Lincoln's bio section, Andrew Johnson, his second vice president, is not linked. |vicepresident = [[Hannibal Hamlin]]<br>(to Mar. 1865)<br>[[Andrew Johnson]]<br>(from Mar. 1865) Jordanlees2 (talk) 19:07, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Jordanlees2,  Done. ―MattLongCT -Talk-^☖ 19:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Error in date of death for Abraham Lincoln as

DOD indicates 4/15 when in fact it is 4/14. Please edit. Thank you. NN NovemberNice (talk) 16:36, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

He died the day after he was shot. Acroterion (talk) 17:06, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm having a little trouble with the wording "Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth on Good Friday, April 14, 1865," since that implies immediate death, which was obviously not the case. Acroterion (talk) 17:16, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

In what way is this embellished?

"Exploiting his embellished frontier legend (clearing land and splitting fence rails)"

As he actually did clear land and split fence rails, and this was not an uncommon occupation, why is the word 'embellished' used?

The use of a word with negative connotation seems biased, unless some details can be added to demonstrate.

"Exploiting" also has a negative connotation, although less strong, especially when the majority of the country was involved in agrarian activities in the run-up to the Industrial Revolution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.24.22.99 (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Requesting feedback at Talk:Abraham Lincoln (captain)

I started a discussion at Talk:Abraham Lincoln (captain) because there is an un-addressed contradiction regarding his date of birth. The article claims May 13, 1744, but a memorial marker of his claims May 1738. Anyone with questions or comments can post on the linked talk page. Thanks. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 19:13, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2019

The Gettysburg Address is 271 words and is not 272 words; often misunderstood is the word "battle-field" which is one word and not two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmhatten (talk • contribs) d19:25, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: I think it depends on which version one is counting the words from - there are at least 5 somewhat different "official" extant copies/drafts (the Nicolay, the Bliss, the Hay, the Everett, and the Bancroft) plus the Associated Press version which differs from the official ones. Shearonink (talk) 22:17, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2019

He was an affectionate, though often absent, husband and father of four children. Robert Todd Lincoln was born in 1843 and Edward Baker Lincoln (Eddie) in 1846. Edward died on February 1, 1850, in Springfield, probably of tuberculosis. "Willie" Lincoln was born on December 21, 1850, and died of a fever on February 20, 1862. The Lincolns' fourth son, Thomas "Tad" Lincoln, was born on April 4, 1853, and died of heart failure at the age of 18 on July 16, 1871.[12]:179–181, 476 Robert reached adulthood and produced children. The Lincolns' last descendant, great-grandson Robert Todd Lincoln Beckwith, died in 1985.[22] Lincoln "was remarkably fond of children",[12]:126 and the Lincolns were not considered to be strict with their own.[21]:120. In fact, Lincoln's law partner William H. Herndon could grow irritated when Lincoln would bring his children to the law office. Their father, it seemed, was often too absorbed in his own work to notice his children's behaviour. Herndon recounted, "I have felt many and many a time that I wanted to wring their little necks, and yet out of respect for Lincoln I kept my mouth shut. Lincoln did not note what his children were doing or had done." (Source: Emanuel Hertz, The Hidden Lincoln, p. 105 (Letter from William H. Herndon to Jesse W. Weik, November 19, 1885). NatePDThompson (talk) 14:21, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@NatePDThompson: Assuming the source is correct so  Done –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 15:44, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

References

Why does this article define Robert Smith Todd's life by Slavery?

In this article it cites Robert Smith Todd as a "slave-owner" yet in the Wikipedia article on Robert Smith Todd it says that Todd was a "lawyer, soldier, banker, businessman and politician." Why are we defining a man's life by the mere fact that he owned slaves - a common practice in the early 1800s, when he was much more than that? Where's the balance/neutrality here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tpkatsa (talk • contribs) 23:35, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I think you make a good point. We mention the slave-owning aspects later on in the article. On the other hand, Robert Smith Todd does not mention slavery at all. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 01:15, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Indian wars or policy section

Any chance of a section on Indian policy or Indian wars. I know the focus is the Civil War, but there were Indian Wars too including : Owens Valley War, Dakota War of 1862, and the Yavapai Wars. Cmguy777 (talk) 02:59, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

• The Indian Policy of Abraham Lincoln W. Dale Mason (2009) Indigenous Policy Journal

I presented this talk for discussion. No one has yet responded. I believe and Indian policy section is appropriate for the article. Especially how much did the Souix uprising affect the American Civil War ? Lincoln may have used Confederate POWs to fight in Indian Wars. Cmguy777 (talk) 21:29, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I'd be interested in reading it if it is written up and sourced properly. Maybe start with adding information to the war pages you linked first since this article seems to be continually protected, and then doing a summary edit here? My ability to track down good sources tends towards the sciences so I can't help much in terms of getting it put together, but that's my two cents. --A Shortfall Of Gravitas (talk) 12:47, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I added two reliable sources and expanded information on Lincoln and Indian policy. I added the section to the article on November 12. I kept the focus on the Souix Uprising, or the Dakota War of 1862. There were the other wars. How did those wars affect Lincoln ? More information would be required. Cmguy777 (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Balance at Forced into Glory

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see: Talk:Forced into Glory § Balance: Conflict between Lincoln critics like Bennett, and critics of those critics.

The article (on a somewhat controversial biography of Abraham Lincoln) rarely has editors or even talk-page comments, so additional input is requested. PoV issues with our article have been pointed out since 2009, and the off-site academic controversy involving the book's notable author, Lerone Bennett Jr., and his views about Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation goes back to the 1960s.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

"No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar."...except the man who creates a meme. -Abraham Lincoln

Hey all, is there anyone that knows the source for this alleged quote for Lincoln? I personally suspect that the quote is nothing but nonsense, but apparently it is nonsense with an at least sixty year history. [1] Thanks for any help. Geographyinitiative (talk) 22:50, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Good evidence that Ulysses Grant said it during the Civil War = Josiah Gilbert Holland; Richard Watson Gilder (1897). The Century Illustrated Monthly Magazine. pp. 359–60. Rjensen (talk) 23:19, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

"Lincoln led the nation through the American Civil War, its bloodiest war and its greatest moral, constitutional, and political crisis."

It would be better if this sentence did not have the word "war" in it twice. How can we reword? Peregrine Fisher (talk) 06:39, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that would be the common view, but sometimes the burdensome importance of a concept supports the repetition of a word. This may be such a case. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps "its bloodiest conflict"? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 07:18, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Repetition works as Lincoln himself knew--listen to his second inaugural speech (1865): Both parties deprecated war; but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive; and the other would accept war rather than let it perish. And the war came. Rjensen (talk) 07:52, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

How about "Lincoln led the nation through the American Civil War, its bloodiest war and its greatest moral, constitutional, and political crisis" becomes "Lincoln led the nation through the bloody American Civil War; its greatest moral, constitutional, and political crisis"? Less words = more pppwwwwwrrrrrrr! Peregrine Fisher (talk) 08:20, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

ok with me. Rjensen (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Grammatical note: I think that a colon, not a semicolon, may be more grammatical in this case. "its greatest moral..." is not an independent clause. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 20:09, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Dred Scott

This needs work. Within the section, Lincoln is quoted, and he in turn is also quoting the court decision. This is too much for the reader to follow. Hoppyh (talk) 03:11, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

I took a stab at it. May or may not be better. https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Abraham_Lincoln&type=revision&diff=940368338&oldid=940362369 Peregrine Fisher (talk) 03:58, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Gettysburg image

The Gettysburg photo is very difficult to pick Lincoln out from (i.e. I could not, and Lincoln is very distinctive). I had to look it up, [2] this article does a very good job at pointing out who's who. If anyone fancies themselves good at photo editing, a version of the photo where Lincoln is circled in red or yellow would be most useful. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 18:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

It seems like the edits we have been making lately are not causing a stir. So, if you think you are improving the article, just do it! And if you're not sure, mention it here on the talk page after you have done it. Then people can look at after the fact. But at some point, each sentence of improvement needs to involve less than one sentence of discussion. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 21:12, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Peregrine Fisher, I asked originally because I'm not very good at photo editing, but I proved myself wrong! Busted out Fire Alpaca and churned out a highlighted version in no time CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 21:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Great! Peregrine Fisher (talk) 02:14, 13 February 2020 (UTC)