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Over the last many months, I've submitted multiple edit requests for various semi-protected and ECP pages. I've found that very often, there's a chilling effect where someone , working on the edit request backlog, fails to understand the context and reasoning behind a request and applies the template indicating it has been declined. When I respond in addressing the concerns raised, the very fact of that template having been used once makes subsequent reviewers inclined to believe that I'm trying to force through something controversial without proper discussion, and the edit request has no path forward from that point other than waiting for the protection to expire so that editing directly becomes possible. Is this how edit requests are intended to work? Somehow, based on the text of wp:edit requests, I doubt that the answer is yes. If there are additional guidelines or essays somewhere on this subject (note, I have read wp:why create an account? and evaluated the pros and cons) I would appreciate a pointer.

PS note that I haven't mentioned specific instances because my sense of the Teahouse is that specific content disputes are unwelcome here, and I would hate for my more general concern to get overshadowed by any one specific incident anyway. 107.77.222.94 (talk) 22:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Feels like hounding

I feel like being hounded on my talk page, here there and elsewhere on Wikipedia by a group of users.

The help template didn‘t help.

What can I do? Can anybody give me an advice or help? Chip-chip-2020 (talk) 14:47, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Chip-chip-2020, it's hard for me to understand the context. The second one, I can see why such comments may dismay you, and I would also be offended by such comments. But to someone to open the possibility of a meatpuppetry is not being hounded, it's a step of WP:SOCK, and if it is clear that your account isn't used only to write that Chopin is gay blablabla whatever you guys are talking about there, you are good to go; however if it is indeed that you use your account mainly for that, RIP dude.

Pinging inquirer's Exhibit A Mathsci, and Exhibit B Smerus. GeraldWL 14:59, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

And also Exhibit C Praxidicae. GeraldWL 15:00, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm not really involved in this, I just get pinged on IRC when help templates go up and this was an inappropriate use of it. I'd also suggest that Chip remove this entire thing as this isn't the place. GRINCHIDICAE🎄 15:02, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

One-track, single-issue, repetitive, editor who objects to other editors disagreeing with him/her. And failing to convince them seeks to present self as victim in the hope that this may advance his/her cause.--Smerus (talk) 15:20, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Dear GeraldWL, my account is not at all ‚mainly for that’, but since these users keep deleting my sourced work (without good reasons), I can‘t go on with the improvements I‘m preparing for other articles. So what can I do?--Chip-chip-2020 (talk) 15:26, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Chip-chip-2020, I'll look in your logbook to understand more about this. GeraldWL 15:50, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

There have already been multiple reports on noticeboards concerning Chopin and his sexuality. User:Chip-chip-2020 already requested a hearing at WP:DRN. In a nutshell, following radio broadcasts by Moritz Weber, a journalist based in Zurich publicised his theory that Chopin was gay (on the basis of adolescent letters). On 12 November, 2 Zurich IPs added content directly related to Weber's article, which even complained about de.wikipedia.org's unwillingness to respond to the material. It appears that User:Chip-chip-2020 is almost certainly linked to those Zurich IPs. Their editing has so far had a single purpose, namely that Chopin's schoolfriend Tytus Woyciechowski might had been lovers and that any infatuation between Chopin and women was a sham. The article on Frédéric Chopin is a WP:FA. It is concise and extremely well-written (User:Smerus has been the main contributor). The other main editors have been User:JackofOz, User:Toccata quarta, User:Nihil novi and User:Kosboot. Since the Weber article, User:Chip-chip-2020 has made edits to en.wikipedia.org, pl.wikipedia.org, de.wikipedia.org, fr.wikipedia.org, it.wikipedia.org and es.wikipedia.org, all in the same narrow topic. The Polish wikipedia article has reverted all their edits. The Italian wikipedian article has copied the new content on sexuality word-for-word from the article in en.wikipedia.org.

Today I learnt a new word—straightwashing. The article on Frédéric Chopin is about his life and music. We write about Scherzos (Chopin), Ballades (Chopin), Barcarolle (Chopin), Valldemossa Charterhouse, etc, etc, not about "sexual politics". User:Chip-chip-2020 has been attempting to add biased content to wikipedia, which is not properly supported by WP:RS. There is currently an RfC which should continue until 25-26 January.

I noticed that User:Chip-chip-2020 just now started editing Frédéric Chopin in a tendentious fashion, targeting me. The article Scherzos (Chopin) was created by me a while back; I consulted User:Nihil novi to check on the naming. Scherzos is the correct plural according to the Library of Congress and wikipedia, although Scherzi is another possibility (e.g. for the G. Henle Verlag edition). User:Chip-chip-2020 also claims Smerus has hounded them, I recommend that Smerus is consulted. The sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry issue was already raised at WP:DRN in December, but, with only one registered account, nothing can really be said. Only by looking at the the global edits of User:Chip-chip-2020 can the full picture be seen for "Chopin and sexuality". Mathsci (talk) 16:30, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

GeraldWL, see what I mean? Thank you--Chip-chip-2020 (talk) 16:38, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

One-track, single-issue, repetitive, editor who objects to other editors disagreeing with him/her. And failing to convince them seeks to present self as victim in the hope that this may advance his/her cause. I agree with Smerus, classic WP:SPA. Mathsci (talk) 17:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the summary, Mathsci. Chip-chip-2020, I've read Mathsci's summary and looked through your contributions log. If using Snope's fact check ratings, "These users are hounding me" is:

 Mostly false (meaning: "the primary elements of a claim are demonstrably false, but some of the ancillary details surrounding the claim may be accurate.")

DISCLAIMER: I am not hounding you here. Please note that.

First, let's start with Talk:Waltzes, Op. 70 (Chopin). A set of misadventures lead you to being questioned by an editor if you are a sockpuppet or not. This is hinted by various coincidences or time gap shortness, and the manual of style the IP editors and you follow. You then linked to WP:HOUND, assumingly that you felt the editor is stalking you. This is not stalking, but rather a part of the process on sockpuppet investigation. I've never been suspected as one and I'm sure it is shocking to be accused as such, however it is not suggested to fire back at others and lead the discussion to no-man's land. Thus, the discussion at Talk:Waltzes, Op. 70 (Chopin) is not a hound.

Then let's go to the grande finale, the Chopin thing. The section "Chopin’s sexuality" is confusing and convoluted so I can't grasp a lot of the users' minds there. But luckily Mathsci has given me a summary. I need to know if it is true that the sources you cite are basically his adolescent love letters towards his friend Tytus. Here's the thing: adolescents? I have had wet dreams about my same-sex friends and have no interest towards them; if I say that somewhere does that make me gay? Don't think so. It is merely a theory, and thus must be given less weight. But to be more specific, those are allegations, very very deep theories. And I don't see the need of inclusion, until the ghost of Chopin tells the world "Hey, me and Tytus are now married in Heaven Society."

Although I slightly disagree with Kosboot's claims that Chopin's subject of expertise makes news articles unreliable, I can agree if only he says instead, "Not all news articles are reliable." Because that's true. The New York Times passing the RS test does not make all of their works reliable. A post can be a blog and still be reliable. Context matters. With clinging uncertainty yet consensus on Chopin's emotional heart, it would be controversial to state that Tytus is Chopin's crush.

Again, nobody in that section is harassing you, although Kosboot certainly did attack an IP, wherein I have warned them about it.

You wrote in an RfC at the talk page that "there is no reliable and/or written proof" about Chopin's relationships with those people, when it has been added. How are you certain that they are not reliable?

You have also inquired several rhetorical questions, whereby you are using the format of a question to say a personal opinion. This can be manipulative to some and is discouraged. If you want to say a personal opinion, say it in form of an opinion. Those criticizing you for this are also not bullying you.

On your above reassurance that your account is not mainly for that, I can probably agree with you. This is shown by the last page of your contributions log, whereby only some contribs are directed towards the Chopin topic. Once your edit was disputed, that's when your log is littered with Chopin-related pages, as well as some noticeboard pages, eventually leading up to here, the Teahouse. However not all editors are as attached to an article like you do, so it may be suspicious. But this is not at all hounding. This is the magic cure to your chagrin:

This is part of the process.

The summary Mathsci gave to me was much to your chagrin, in which you state, "see what I mean?" And I don't see what you mean. None of Mathsci's words are hound, let alone harassment. This is all part of the process, as I stated. This is part of the process on reaching a penultimate (hope I'm using that word right) consensus. Trust me, the more you edit controversial articles and stumble upon an RfC, whether formal or informal, you may stumble upon a dispute and argument with editor(s). This will cool down in the aftermath, but is currently boiling, and writings in the fashion of Mathsci's summary is expected: referring to statements like "[Chip] has been attempting to add biased content to wikipedia, which is not properly supported by WP:RS."

Why do I mark your claims "mostly" false? Well it's because although the foundation of your claims are false, some details of your claims sheds light to some of the misdoings other editors have done amidst the process.

I would stress that saying certain sources "not supported by RSes" is NOT straightwashing, an attempt of portraying LGB people a hetero. And I am firm that all editors involved assume good faith, at least on you. You have to be grateful some are still willing to seek a civil discussion with ya.

I hope this debate ends, and I wish you a better near future in the world of editing Wikipedia. GeraldWL 17:37, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Thanks for giving such a comprehensive answer. However, far from being a victim. User:Chip-chip-2020 is now harassing me. They were not apparently satisfied with your response, so have asked an administrator who has blocked me previously.[1] Their request is an example of WP:OTHERPARENT. Cheers, Mathsci (talk) 19:41, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

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Comments

Imho, the Teahouse is likely not the best of venues to assess or sort editor behaviour complaints. This is excellently illustrated by Gerald Waldo Luis (GWL)'s 17:37, 8 January 2021 wall of text above: they start with assessing whether Chip-chip-2020 (CC2) is right on content, and then attempt to deduce whether or not there's something wrong behaviourally, based on that content assessment. Which brings me to the next point: the Teahouse is likely not the best of venues to assess content issues (as is, the above analysis on content is a second forum on a content issue that is being discussed in an open RfC – note that the second forum on the content issue was not opened by the OP, but in the responses they got from GWL).

I think the Teahouse is excellent to give newbies some advice on avoiding common pitfalls:

• CC2, the WP:SPA type of scrutiny on your edits won't go away until you start to edit articles that have nothing to do with Chopin, nor with gender/sexuality-related topics. That is, extensively (as in, not some window-dressing to just cover up the SPA nature of your account). I don't say SPAs can't be useful editors on Wikipedia (e.g. subject-matter experts), but the *scrutiny* won't go away, and will, more likely than not, in the end start hampering your editing.
• CC2, the argument that others are preventing you from proving you're not a SPA is evidently bogus: start editing articles that have nothing to do with Chopin, nor with gender/sexuality-related topics. Show that there are other topics that interest you, and that you can contribute constructively to the encyclopedia on these topics.
• CC2, opening discussions elsewhere that can be linked to an active (i.e. open, not closed) discussion on another page is usually counterproductive (see, e.g., WP:FORUMSHOP and WP:CANVASS). Wait till the first discussion ends: in an RfC, usually someone uninvolved would close the discussion, and usually, they would in their closing report suggest next steps (if any), in which case such next steps can then be acted upon.
• WP:SOCK type of scrutiny can not be operated in the Teahouse: if there are substantial reasons to suspect socking, this should go to WP:SPI. A newbie editor should not be drawn through something like that (basically WP:ASPERSIONS) in a venue not suited for it.

--Francis Schonken (talk) 09:27, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

That was quite a strong cup of tea here. I was actually just looking for help, since the help template didn‘t work as I thought; thought this was a friendly place. But thank you Francis Schonken for your hints, some are really helpful for me as a newie! And if we talk about time: I don‘t know what other wiki-users are doing in the real world, but I for my part just can‘t edit all day and night long since I have a normal job and a life in reality. So I do one thing after the other normally, since one also should be prepared to work on wiki and deliver good and sourced content, which I did. I actually thought wiki would be a nice hobby besides normal life in an openminded online community, but it turns out to be quite time-consuming, when I see all these discussions.--Chip-chip-2020 (talk) 08:27, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I regret editing has been made harder on you than it should have been (see WP:BITE). The classical music area of editing has, alas, a rather bad name in Wikipedia for its rather hostile editing environment. Gender- and sexuality-related topics are, twice alas, probably not much better (a long-term editor in that field has recently retired for the hostility they were subjected to). Some suggestions: there are wikiprojects such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music, Wikipedia:WikiProject Composers, Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies, and likely others relating to whatever interests you may have. You may take an interest in the discussions on the talk pages of such projects (which may give an inkling of how editors in these areas of interest address issues), and/or list yourself as a member of these projects. This may make editing in these areas easier. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Reply to User:Chip-chip-2020

As other editors have already said, this is not the proper forum to discuss conduct allegations. It is a reasonable forum to make an initial inquiry about how to deal with a conduct issue. The answer to that question is to first read the boomerang essay, and then, if necessary, report it at WP:ANI. However, the large majority of reports of hounding are by editors who are disagreed with and don't like being disagreed with (which is why you should first be sure that you will not be seen as causing the problem).

I tried to be a neutral mediator in the content dispute, and I thought that it was a straightforward content dispute, rather than a content dispute complicated by conduct issues. The content dispute was discussed at length at DRN, and I concluded that a Request for Comments was necessary. I had difficulty in getting the editors to summarize concisely how they wanted the article changed, but I thought that I had finally worked out the RFC. I see that the article is being edited while the RFC is running. That is not helpful. I gave the usual instructions not to edit the article while DRN was in process, but apparently the OP is editing the article now while the RFC is running. That is not helpful. Let the RFC decide the content.

I will repeat my advice, which is that hounding should be reported at WP:ANI, but that the conduct of the filing editor may also be examined. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:48, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia Contents

Question if I use wikipedia Contents do I still need to credit it?

And also is Linking a Link to the wikipedia page were I wrote the contents into my own words Consider Giving Appropriate Credit --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 03:06, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

 Cocopuff2018 (talk) 03:04, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

• Note: Fuhghettaboutit wasn't hallucinating below. Erroneous content posted and later removed by SenatorLEVI. Please don't remove a post after others have responded to it – use <add>...</add> and <del>...</del> instead (see WP:REDACT). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:16, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

@Cocopuff2018: You can use it, but you must provide attribution per the terms of the licence. See Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_content RudolfRed (talk) 03:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Cocopuff2018. With my regrets to SenatorLEVI, the above is incorrect. You must provide copyright attribution when reusing Wikipedia Content (not because Wikipedia owns the copyright, but because its editors do). Because of the free copyright licenses Wikipedia's content is released under, however, all this mostly means (it depends if there's modification, etc.) is that when you use it, you must provide a hyperlink to the Wikipedia page upon your reuse (from which the contributors can be accessed through the page history, this provides the suitable credit as required under the copyright license all us editors (with some minor exceptions) agree our content is licensed under and is given credit through), together with hperlinking to the copyright license borne by the content, or posting the text of the license. See more at Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content.

One other thing to be careful of. Some content you may see used here – for example quotations from copyrighted, third-party works, and certain images – are being used here under a claim of fair use. When that is the case, the content is not Wikipeda's at all; much of it is fully-non-free copyrighted, and cannot be used at all, unless your use meets its own fair use exception to the default exclusion of copyright law. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:06, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the help Last Question Is this Page Considered appropriately Credited since I put This page is Rewrite From wikipedia and put a link to it's wikipedia Page on the bottom of the page of my wiki? --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 04:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Cocopuff2018, as far as I'm aware you can do that, but usually a link in an edit summary to a revision is usually enough. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Soo much I just hope I have given wikipedia Enough Credit By adding a link --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 04:47, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Pretty good job Cocopuff2018. You have done most of what is necessary (many people don't even try), with one exception. You have hyperlinked the Wikipedia, page, suitably stated that as the source, and stated it was modified, as required.

However, the page does not, as is required, either hyperlink to the copy of the the CC-BY-SA-3.0 license, or post it text (much rarer). The page states at the bottom it's content is under CC BY 4.0. That is not the same license. Again, please see Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content#Text content --Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

@Fuhgettaboutit: So, the way I read Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content#Re-use of text under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike, the problem is the lack of "SA" in their stated "CC BY 4.0" license and the failure to link the license as CC BY-SA 4.0 (the later version is allowed per you must license them under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike License 3.0 or later.), right? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Yeah, I should have, and couldn't have said it better. See above!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

how to source "notable publications" in a biography page for an academic?

Hi, there! I haven't been quite able to figure out the best practice on this yet - for notable publications for an academic researcher, should I be sourcing as a wikipedia citation to a website for the paper/book, or linking to an "external to wikipedia" link? I've seen it done both ways when I checked out other wiki biographies of academics (and some pages do both). This is specifically for this draft page for Jiquan Chen. Thanks for any advice! Csoconn (talk) 15:13, 9 January 2021 (UTC) Csoconn (talk) 15:13, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Csoconn! Using Wikipedia's book citation format with an ISBN and potentially an LCCN as well is preferable for a book and e.g. a DOI, JSTOR, etc., for an academic journal. Linking to the source is a good idea if e.g. the Google Books or Internet Archive copies are accessible, though linking to a storefront such as Amazon is strongly advised against – if not expressly forbidden. Likewise, if the journal article is open access, linking directly to e.g. a PDF can be a good idea. Something I noticed is that all of your citations are written out in source text instead of using e.g. the {{cite book}} or {{cite journal}} templates, depending on the publication. Using these will save yourself and future editors a lot of time if they want to add or modify this list. I believe MarioJump83 declined your article submission because the notability of the publications wasn't sourced, but if you can source the notability, using these templates could definitely make things easier. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 17:54, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, TheTechnician27! Sorry, do you have a link to an explainer for the {{cite journal}} template? That's new to me. Many thanks for your help thus far! Csoconn (talk) 17:46, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

My Edit disappeared, was removed. It had no controversial content.

I did my first edit on a page called TOORBOS. There was just one sentence about what this movie was about. I wrote a longer section on what it was about, published it and then SAW my edit appear on the Wiki page. Then when I looked again hours later, my edit had disappeared. No controversial content at all. Please explain, someone! Thanks Elder's Pen (talk) 08:26, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Elder's Pen, your edit's reverted by Lugnuts. This is because the Synopsis section is supposed to be about the movie (in here we call it film) and not the novel it's based on. Your "plot" also has some flaws: it has "..." and subjective terms like "complex". I suggest you read film articles and read their plots to see how a plot summary is written. WP:FILMPLOT may help. GeraldWL 08:43, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

My words simply said that the movie was based on a book. This does not mean that I am writing a synopsis about the book, not the movie. What kind of illogic is this. Secondly, Complex emotions is not in the least a subjective notion. If one has one strong feeling about something, that is simple or simplex. If one has mixed feelings, and many different feelings about different aspects of something or some person, that is "complex feelings". So once again, if these two reasons are the real reasons why my simple non-controversial writing was rejected, I can only gaze in amazement at the stupidity of it all. It does not inspire me to ever write again for Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elder's Pen (talk • contribs) 17:29, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Elder's Pen, I'm sorry that you felt stricken seeing your edit (that I know you do in good intention) reverted. But please do not take it personal, or see it as an attack. It is not, as we are just maintaining Wikipedia. The fact remains that the synopsis section should only discuss about the summary of the movie. You can take the example of Wonder (film)'s plot section— it is a movie based on a book, but is not obliged to say the origins of the story. It is just a summary of the film.

Next, it is not our job to convey the emotions of the film. During the sad scene at Up (2009 film, the plot only reads "Suffering a miscarriage and unable to have children", not " A very emotional scene appears when it is revealed that she cannot have children. It makes the audience cry." This is unless the character display such, for example if the character is crying you can say "Johnny becomes emotional."

Keep in mind that plot summaries must be only about the main points of the movie. You shouldn't describe every scene, unless it's a short film and every shot is important as hell. If you have watched Contagion (2011 film), the plot summary can be a good learning tool to understand how a plot is written.

As I said, please do not see rejection of edits as an attack, unless the user is ACTUALLY bullying you. If you have any more question, don't hesitate to ask. GeraldWL 01:48, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Elder's Pen, PLEASE do not reinstate the edit back. PLEASE discuss it at the talk page. GeraldWL 06:03, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Article Declined:

FYI

 – New Topic --Maresa63 (talk) 13:26, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Benutzer:BFRQs/MelSchweickardt Why was the article declined? The songwriter has written over 100 songs in her career, and she has been semi-finalist in the International songwriting competition 2013. She is an active ambassador for fighting for gender diversity in the music industry. Considering that in the whole music industry across all genres are only 12,5% female songwriters, to the genre of metal/rock it is only about 3-5%. Mel Schweickardt is a genuine rarity in this domain and therefore a notable person - even if she is not globally famous, but according to wikipedia's guidelines in the sense of being famous or popular is anyhow secondary. Thank you for clarification. BFRQs (talk) 12:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

This is about Draft:Mel Schweickardt. The reason it was declined is stated in the gray box within the pink decline notice at the top of the draft. The citations do not include enough reliable independent published sources discussing the subject, to establish that she is notable in Wikipedia's sense. To establish that she's notable, you'll need to find and add such sources – praising her here won't help at all. Maproom (talk) 13:55, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

One of the main sources is the national library of Switzerland, a national institution. Is there a way to make such a source "Wikipedia-proofed"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DA:F734:9300:58D5:B7FC:15B9:8CC1 (talk) 15:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand what yhou mean by "Wikipedia proofed". There are three requirements for sources to establish notability: 1) that they be reliably published|, that they be independent of the subject, and that they contain significant coverage of the subject. The sources currently in Draft:Mel Schweickardt might be reliable and independent, I haven't investigated, but none of them contains significant coverage, so they do nothing to establish notability. How is the national library a source? Something published by the library would presumably be regarded as reliable, but whether it met the other criteria or not would depend on what it was. If you are talking about something that is held in the library's collection, then the library is irrelevant. It is either something that has been published, in which case it is its publication that is relevant, not the library; or it is something unpublished in the library's collection, and then it cannot be used as a source anywhere in Wikiepdia. --ColinFine (talk) 17:31, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

question about notability

Hi- I created this page a few months ago. It was not initially accepted, and I am trying to understand whether the primary issue is that the reviewer felt that the artist's awards and exhibition history did not qualify as "notable," or whether the problem was primarily that the cited sources were not adequately independent of the organizations that granted the awards. I am new to Wikipedia, so it's not clear to me how to respond to the reviewer's message to ask this question, but I'd also like to get a second opinion. Thanks!

Draft:Sarah McKenzie (artist) Painter80302 (talk) 15:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Painter80302 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The issue is that the artist, at least based on the sources currently offered, does not seem to meet the Wikipedia definition of a notable artist. Awards do not usually contribute to notability unless they are highly notable awards that merit articles about themselves(such as the Oscars or Grammy Awards, as anyone can give out an award based on any criteria. Descriptions of exhibitions also do not necessarily contribute to notability unless things like independent, unsolicited critiques and descriptions of influence are part of them. I'm curious as to how you came to write about this artist. 331dot (talk) 15:41, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for that feedback. I initially created this article as part of a Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon event, held in Denver, Colorado to try to correct the under-representation of women artists on Wikipedia. The Joan Mitchell Painters and Sculptors Grant is a highly competitive, notable award within the American contemporary art world, which includes a $25,000 grant. The artist's exhibitions have been reviewed ("critiqued") in numerous independent journals and newspapers, which were cited as sources in the article. So I remain confused. Is it possible to request a review by a different editor, since judging notability is obviously somewhat subjective, and is best left to an editor who actually works in the field? Painter80302 (talk) 16:09, 10 January 2021 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Painter80302 (talk • contribs) 15:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Painter80302, The issue isn't whether the artist "qualifies" as notable, it's whether the sources cited in the draft demonstrate that she's notable. Which four of the sources cited do you do believe do most to demonstrate that she's notable? (You might do well to make a reviewer's task easier by removing most of the others.) Maproom (talk) 16:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Painter80302 If the award is the "main claim to fame" it should reference an independent source. Currently you cite the award-giver and an exhibition venue. Neither are independent as they are motivated to promote the award and the exhibition respectively. If that award is really a big deal there should be newspaper or art magazine articles about it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:54, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

OK this is helpful. Thank you for your input! Painter80302 (talk) 16:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Painter80302 Note that most editors are not experts in the fields that they write about, and it isn't required that they be so, as Wikipedia is meant largely for lay people. 331dot (talk) 16:35, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Trying to understand "sources" and "references"

To begin, I am old so I don't know a lot about programming and what is required for my article to be accepted. I understand citing sources, and I tried to, but I don't understand your tutorial instructions. I really don't want to spend days stumbling through this process. Can someone take a look at my draft and tell me how I got a citation linked to a reference or what I am doing wrong. Thanks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Charles_A._Stix KLynn-geni (talk) 21:40, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, KLynn-geni. I have tidied up your draft a bit, but you really don't need to be worried about being 'old' - lots of editors here, like me, are retired, and none of us know anything about programming. You don't need to! What we do ask for is that anyone wanting to create an article from scratch spends the time beforehand to learn the basics of editing. It's really not too difficult - it's rather like driving a car. What's unreasonable to expect is that someone can take that car out the very first time and drive safely for 200 miles up the motorway to their destination without encountering a few difficulties en route. Maybe you should read Help:Your first article, then Help:Referencing for beginners, but maybe before that you might like to take our interactive tour called The Wikipedia Adventure to get a sense of how to do things here. It might be better if the information on the found of Stix Baer & Fuller is included in that article, and not in a separate article at Draft:Charles A. Stix. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:07, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I concur that information about Charles A. Stix better placed as content added to the article about the store versus a new article about Mr. Stix. David notMD (talk) 03:54, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Nick for the links and clean-up. I think I am getting the hang of it now. RE: including bio content on SBF page. My main focus is Genealogy and if there is a notable person in one's line they should be able to go to Wikipedia and find other sources that flesh out that person's story. Charle's cousin Thomas has a page. Also, the architect of the SBF building has a link within the SBF page so I would think that the founder of SBF should have a link on his own company's page, so I am going to disagree. If I was doing research on the company I sure wouldn't want to wade through bios of the founders when, in my mind, a link to his bio would be more pleasing to look at, especially since it makes his name searchable and allows me more room to expand his story. Open for discussion.--KLynn-geni (talk) 19:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Nepali Flag not being shown when hovering over a Nepal link

I know that the Nepali flag is very interesting but complicated and has many mathematical magic, but I'm just here for people to know that instead of the Nepali flag displaying when hovering over the link, the emblem of the country is shown instead. Is there any way to fix this issue? PyroFloe (talk) 04:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

PyroFloe, idk but this MediaWiki page might resolve your worries. Happy 2021 Eumat114 (Message) 04:30, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

• Per Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups, you can set the "primary" image for the article by adding an HTML comment <!-- popup [[File:Flag_of_Nepal.svg]] -->. However I wonder if this can be fixed in general by changing the ordering of the infobox template. Since the flag is shown before the emblem, it makes sense that it should be considered the "first" image for the purpose of link previews. AnonQuixote (talk) 04:35, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it did not work. PyroFloe (talk) 04:49, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Not sure exactly how the media previews work, maybe there's some caching involved and you didn't wait long enough before reverting? AnonQuixote (talk) 04:53, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I raised this question here and here. AnonQuixote (talk) 04:53, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

There are multiple page preview / navigation pop-up features, so the first thing to figure out is which one this editor is using. If it is Page Previews, this link partially explains how images are ranked for appearance in the preview. I dug into this a month or two ago and posted an explanation somewhere else, but I have been unable to find it in my contributions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:20, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

We have two preview features with different functionality. PyroFloe is not using "Navigation popups" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. It shows the flag for Nepal. The other feature is "Enable page previews" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. Logged out users get that. The feature is mw:Page Previews, previosuly called Hovercards. It shows the image chosen by mw:Extension:PageImages#Image choice. It shows the emblem for Nepal because PageImages uses code which rejects images displayed with a width ≤ 119px. The flag is displayed at 90px because it's relatively tall but displayed with around the same height as the emblem next to it. The emblem is displayed at 120px so it's exactly allowed by PageImages. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:34, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I meant PyroFloe is not using Navigation popups. I have corrected it above. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:51, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@Eumat114:, @AnonQuixote:, @PrimeHunter:, @Chipmunkdavis: I have now fixed the problem, apparently its both the image size being 90px as said above and also the image resolution of the emblem being particularly small sized compared to other coat of arms, I thank you all for your help. This flag was really weird but I managed to fix it. With regards, PyroFloe (talk) 12:57, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

PyroFloe, why is it needed that an emblem be shown instead of the flag anyway? GeraldWL 15:38, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis, you must have misunderstood, I was asking about the opposite actually. I have fixed it now and the flag is the one that renders instead of the emblem PyroFloe (talk) 15:51, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

How to close an RfD item?

I created a discussion about some redirects here: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 4 § Deprivation

It's been about a week and I think the last comment gives a convincing reason to undo the initial change I had made to turn a disambiguation page into a redirect, which kind of renders the question moot. Once this is done then I'd like to make some edits to improve the dab page.

How does an RfD discussion get closed? Can I do it myself? AnonQuixote (talk) 04:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi AnonQuixote. You shouldn't close such discussions yourself if you're involved as explained in WP:CLOSE#Closure procedure and WP:NACINV. Someone should eventually get around to doing so, but you can also request an administrator to do so at WP:AN. — Marchjuly (talk) 04:44, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll wait another day or so and then request it. AnonQuixote (talk) 04:57, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Just noting: the discussion has now been closed by a third party.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:13, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

For RfD, they usually get closed (or relisted) within a few hours of being over 7 days. Looks like this one has been done. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:31, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

About my article javed Khan magician

 Courtesy link: Draft:Javed Khan (magician)

I mean I can see lots of celebrity people from television business having Wikipedia article. So many article are in news and online about myself still I get feedback not enough resources ? Any help would be appreciated. I have been on multiple shows in India on television and numerous article still why cant ? Sorry If I am missing out on anything.. Javed khan39 (talk) 06:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@Javed khan39: Welcome to the Teahouse. I'll leave it to the reviewers to determine whether the three sources you used are reliable for Wikipedia's purposes, but I'll let you know that writing about yourself is strongly discouraged on here; it's incredibly difficult for subjects to write about themselves neutrally, which is required for Wikipedia. I also suggest taking a look at other, similar articles in mainspace to see how they're written; there are quite a few style errors from what I can see at the draft. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:58, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

User:Javed khan39 - Your post on my talk page is incomprehensible. I didn't say anything about your qualifications, certainly not about your involvement with IT. I only said that if your draft is accepted, an entry should be included in the disambiguation page, Javed Khan (disambiguation). You seem to be having difficulty in reading and writing in English. Have you considered using another language? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:47, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon:: that’s called an error Instead of asking Angus I posted on your page My mistake , it’s the same way you wrote my name wrong as Jared khan mistake happens with everyone, chill man No need to get offensive and suggest me what language I should use and maybe you should get another hobby if you don’t like to help people or don’t know the difference between a mistake and not knowing a langauge. Regards, Javed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.216.69.54 (talk) 18:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Imo

What next I have to do for my first article? Draft:Imo_(app) Is it really written as an advertisment. I understand this is not written perfectly. Sonofstar (talk) 08:51, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Sonofstar, I am concerned about the sentence "It empowered people to message using multiple platform under one central interface. The fact that it was web based, enabled those on OSes like Linux, for example, to still chat, even as most messenger services only had software for Windows and Mac. This also helped users to save chat history which is very handy for the future references." It is so promotional, and has no source. "It helped family and friends stay in touch" also needs a rewrite. GeraldWL 15:36, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis thanks to guide me, I updated the page as per your suggestions. Is there anything else in it?Sonofstar (talk) 07:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

It is a duplicate article which is already written Imo (software). DrJNU (talk) 11:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

question

Thanks for directing me here, but surely am still lost on how to create a living biography of a musician i don't know how i can be guided Ronard Economist (talk) 08:57, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I assume this section refers to this. If so, you have written to Draft:Sandbox, which is intended as a Testing spot, and thus regularely cleared. Luckily, the edit is still available. You can still recover the text by [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Draft:Sandbox&action=edit&oldid=998876954 copying all the text in the old revision and pasting it into an actual draft(for example Draft:Nicky Jizzy). You might want to have a look at WP:YFA. Inline citations belong directly after the content they support. Victor Schmidt (talk)

@Ronard Economist: fix ping Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

What is the best way to approach edits?

 DdLiam (talk) 11:52, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, DdLiam, welcome to the Teahouse. An often recommended way to approach editing is bold, revert, discuss. I don't know if there is merit in the SPI against you, but I'd advise that starting a new account to avoid scrutiny in a subject area isn't a good idea. If you disagree with the local consensus then it's tough luck I'm afraid. Regards, Zindor (talk) 12:11, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. This has been noted :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DdLiam (talk • contribs) 12:27, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Images in Page Previews.

Many users like a picture displayed while looking at a page preview, in order to understand better the subject of the page. In my article, the Army of the Kingdom of Naples (Napoleonic), I cannot see any image on the page preview when I hover my mouse over the blue lettering (while there are, in fact, several images on the page). How do I fix this? AdonisWW2 (talk) 13:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi AdonisWW2, welcome to the Teahouse. We have two preview features. I see File:Battle of Tolentino.jpg from the infobox in both of them. Try to bypass your cache on the page you are viewing it from. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:01, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Reliability of NYS Professions database

Hello, I'm working on the Vladimir Zelenko article and was looking for a reliable source with information on where he attended medical school. This website from the New York State Education Department provides information from their Professions database, but they specifically mention "primary source", which gives me pause. Unfortunately, I can't find any other reliable sources that mention his education, so I wanted to get an opinion on whether that database would be considered an appropriate source for Wikipedia. Otherwise, I'll just leave that info out of the article for now. —DanCherek (talk) 15:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

DanCherek, I would consider that a reliable source. It's primary with regard to the NY State Education Department, but not primary with regard to Zelenko, as Zelenko can't just edit it to change his school. So you're good to go! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thank you! —DanCherek (talk) 16:23, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi DanCherek. This is a perfectly appropriate use of a primary source – for verification of "straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." Actually, being from NY, and having a fair amount of experience with licensure in that database (though not with medical professional), I can tell you that much of these background details for many people – where the individual attended school and the like – has its origins in the person's own reporting (though there's a lot of reasons why it would be a very, very bad idea to report incorrectly -- i.e., a defined crime), but that still meets the ambit of the above-quoted language.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Fuhghettaboutit, that's very helpful and I've added the information to the article. I want to be sure I fully understand Wikipedia's policy that it should be verifiable "by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge", as I'm sure this won't be the last time I have a question like this. In this case, does this mean that anyone should be able to verify that he attended medical school at SUNY? The only sources I found were this database, a bunch of WebMD-like websites, and some unreliable opinion-based websites, so I'm not sure the verification would be here (other than contacting the registrar or medical board, etc.). —DanCherek (talk) 16:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@DanCherek: Yep, see WP:PRIMARY, which, on the negative ends, prohibits any "interpretation of primary source material." That requires "a reliable secondary source for that interpretation." Where someone went to school, what year they graduated, et al., are quite straightforward facts that require no interpretation, analysis or synthesis to report.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:40, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Alter an inaccurate sentence on a semi-protected page.

The second line of this article, 2021 storming of the United States Capitol, is wrong, and needs to be changed. How do I do that?

The sentence reads, "It was incited by US President Donald Trump in an attempt to overturn his defeat in the 2020 presidential election."  This sentence is wrong.

It is a legal question whether the riot (not the march) was INCITED by Trump, and the protest (perhaps excluding the rioters) was NOT a direct attempt to overturn Trump's defeat. It was a show of support for Pence, Cruz and others, in the face of huge negative pressure, to proceed with confidence through a legal process of considering alternate slates of electors in 6 states, and/or lawfully arguing for another 10 days to review potential election fraud in those 6 states before certifying the outcome. The outcome of THAT review would have been accepted.

Wikipedia, which is supposed to be unbiased, is furthering a false narrative, throwing gasoline on the fire, as it were. This is WRONG. Msfry0 (talk) 15:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Msfry0 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. To request an edit to a protected article, you may make an edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed. Please note that Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state. If reliable sources state that Trump incited the riot(which most are), you will have to speak with those sources to get them to issue retractions if they are incorrect, or offer your own independent reliable sources that say differently to arrive at a consensus as to what the article should say.

Wikipedia actually does not claim to be free of bias. Any bias in sources will be reflected in Wikipedia. Those sources are presented to the readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves as to any bias. Wikipedia tries to have a neutral point of view, which is different.

There is video evidence of rioters wishing to seek out and harm, capture, or kill members of Congress and even the Vice President. [2] If that is not wanting to overturn an election or overthrow the government, I don't know what is. 331dot (talk) 15:47, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Thomas Masterson - Midshipman, Virginia State Navy

I am the copyright holder of an article which has appeared online. When I tried to create a submission, which was similar but not identical to my previous work, it was rejected for copyright infringement.

As I am the copyright holder, and told this to the person who flagged my article for "speedy deletion", why was my work rejected?

Does anyone have a suggestion that might help?

Thanks! Michael MMWOOD1958 (talk) 15:54, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

MMWOOD1958 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please follow the instructions on your user talk page under the header "Speedy Deletion Nomination of Draft:Thomas Masterson" regarding what to do about this copyright issue. If you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text(which also means that you would be allowing other people to use it for any reason, including commercial purposes, as long as they give attribution), you can donate the materials. 331dot (talk) 16:01, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Citing the same source multiple times in the same article

Good day fellow tea-lovers. I'd be grateful for your help with a problem that's been bothering me for some time. In short, I want an article to include several citations to a certain book, with each citation referencing a different page number. I've studied several Wikipedia Help pages that aim to address this issue, but I have found the information confusing and sometimes contradictory.

You can see an example of what I am trying to achieve in the article on Morningside, Edinburgh. As you will see, this has several citations to a book by Charles J. Smith. The first citation give the full bibliographic details for the book. I created that first citation like this:

<ref name='Smith (1978)'>{{cite book |last1=Smith |first1=Charles J |title=Historic South Edinburgh Volume 1 |date=1978 |publisher=Charles Skilton Ltd |location=Edinburgh |page=146}}</ref>

And that shows like this, which is what I want.

I formatted the subsequent citations to that book like this:

{{sfnp|Smith (1978)|p=148}}

and they rendered like so: Here, the author's name looks like a hyperlink, which I would expect to lead to the full citation. But although it is correctly formatted as a hyperlink (and I can see in the page's source that it is indeed an href), it does not lead anywhere. Nothing happens when you click on it.

Am I doing something wrong, or is what I'm seeing the correct behaviour?

I have tried several combinations of {{sfnp}} and {{sfn}}, with and without page numbers, and several ways of doing the ref name, for example with and without the year of publication, but I get the same result every time.

I'd be grateful for any help with this issue. Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:36, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Mike Marchmont, welcome to the Teahouse. Have you tried adding {{rp}} after your citation as a more visual representation of page numbers? It renders like this: when I type {{rp|30}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Tenryuu, thanks for the suggestion. I didn't know about {{rp}}. For now, I wil focus on Fuhghettaboutit's response, but I will keep your idea in mind. Mike Marchmont (talk) 08:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi Mike. For overview pages, please see WP:CITESHORT and Help:Shortened footnotes. The issue you are having is that you need to have a section for listing the full works, that is separate, and placed after, a section where the short citations are populated. For example, you would have a ==Notes== section, containing {{reflist}}, followed by a ==References== section containing a bulleted list of the full references, placed using standard citation templates. Now, when the shortened citations link, they have somewhere to link to. So for example, I am going to end this sentence with two shortened citations, and mock up how it should work in the article (this is taken from Glossary of bird terms, where I use a "Bibliography" section to head the full citations, and "Citations" for the shortened citations and other footnotes).

==Notes==

References

==References==

• Lovette, Irby J.; Fitzpatrick, John W. (2016). Handbook of Bird Biology. Wiley. ISBN 978-1-118-29104-7.

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:06, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Fuhghettaboutit, that's fantastic. You have explained in a couple of concise sentences what several Help articles failed to get across. I have now tried your suggestion, and it works perfectly. I will now get to work putting right all the incorrect citations I have inserted since I started editing last year. Many thanks for your excellent advice.

Mike Marchmont (talk) 08:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Mike Marchmont: Wonderful! Thanks for the kind words. Glad to help. BTW, open invitation: Please fee free to drop by my talk page and ask me anything, anytime. I'll try to assist, if I can.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

What happens when you can't reach consensus on an edit or end up in an edit war?

I'm talking about pages basically handled by one or two editors, is there some admin or high ranked editor you can summon to make the decision on who's right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMassEffector (talk • contribs) 17:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

TheMassEffector Hello and welcome. Admins do not settle content disputes. If you are unable to arrive at a consensus amongst yourselves, there are avenues of dispute resolution to make use of. Edit warring usually leads to the participants being blocked; you should not edit war even if you think you are correct, as everyone in an edit war thinks that they are correct. If someone else is edit warring, you may make a report at WP:ANEW, but be advised that the behavior of you and others will be looked at as well. 331dot (talk) 17:36, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

TheMassEffector, welcome to the Teahouse. If you're unable to resolve a dispute, you may want to ask a volunteer to help do so over at the dispute resolution noticeboard. Please use that venue before you consider submitting a report to the edit warring noticeboard for reasons that 331dot has pointed out. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:40, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

"Banning" from user talk page

Hi there Teahouse hosts! I came across a baffling notice on a user's talk page that stated Everyone is banned from my talk page (except for mandatory notices, of course) until further notice. And do not ping me. This may be a WP:ANI issue, but I didn't want to escalate it. In short: is that allowed? I'm aware of some editors (especially vandals) who blank their pages whenever a notice is applied (such as for NPOV, unsourced additions etc), but this isn't exactly the same.

Sdrqaz (talk) 17:41, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey Sdrqaz. Though there's nothing I see at WP:UP directly on point AFAICT, this feels problematic. We need to be able to engage in discussion; to interact with people about aspects of editing without the nature of a talk page itself placing anyone who has a reason to contact the person in a hostile environment. I suppose if I had to point somewhere to reference, I'd cite WP:UP#OWN combined with WP:CIVIL. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Sdrqaz A user can request specific persons stay away from their user talk page, but I don't think that they can blanket close it to all persons, as communication is required. 331dot (talk) 18:16, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses, Fuhghettaboutit and 331dot. I am aware of editors asking specific users to stay away from their talk pages, but I am quite uncomfortable with that; unless the other editor is clearly a troll, it strikes me as being quite uncivil (interaction bans notwithstanding, of course). What is the suitable course of action here? I don't have anything to say to the editor (I've not encountered this editor prior to today), but I think that something has to be said about the notice. Sdrqaz (talk) 18:32, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Sdrqaz It's not a formal policy, but you could point them to WP:ENGAGE which summarizes policies related to communication. If you feel uncomfortable with doing it, I would be willing to(though I completely understand if you don't wish to share the user-in-question's account publicly, at least not yet). 331dot (talk) 18:38, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer, 331dot. I don't really like contacting other users off-wiki, so the user in question is [redacted]. Feel free to redact or RevDel that following reading, but I don't think there are any outing concerns by any means. Sdrqaz (talk) 20:30, 11 January 2021 (UTC) redacted 11:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Just a question

Is Draft:List of YouTube videos with over 1 billion views an appropriate list? I don't want my next draft AfD'ed --🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 18:02, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia already has List_of_most-viewed_YouTube_videos#Top_videos, so such an article would need considerable added value, and I'm not sure where that would come from.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:10, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Shantavira, Well, I would say we should expand that list 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 18:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

What is it like being a Bureaucrat, Administrator, and Steward?

What is it like? [[User:SoyokoAnis|<span style="color: skyblue">SoyokoAnis</span>]] (talk) 19:10, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

It is mostly cleaning up messes. When you become an admin it is called "getting the mop". RudolfRed (talk) 19:37, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Citing Sources, Categorizing Page

I am creating a page, and I am not able to figure out how to get the sources to show up on my page. I have the links to the sources I used listed at the bottom of my page if you want to take a look, or edit. The link is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_2002_NFL_Expansion. I also am wondering how I can add my page to categories to get more views. 208.66.88.194 (talk) 19:24, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Drafts don't go into categories until they are moved to article space. Any category links you add to the draft need to be disabled. See WP:DRAFT on how to do that. RudolfRed (talk) 20:02, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi. I have done some reformatting to make the page display better (including removing initial paragraph spacing; spaces before text make it display very wonky and is to be avoided; skip lines between paragraphs instead), and added a section for the references to display, with a template there ({{reflist}}) that will make them display, once you add footnotes in the text that verify the content and demonstrate the topic's notability through citing reliable, secondary, independentTemplate:Z21 that treat the topic in substantive detail.

I have also left a commented out note in the references section (i.e., a note you will only see it when you are editing), that refers you to the page Help:Referencing for beginners. Please review that page, as you will need to cite the source using inline citations, before submitting the page for review by experienced editors. (In that regard, please note that when you are ready to submit it, add {{Subst:Submit}} to the top of the page, and save.)

As to categorization, until the draft's submitted for that review, we generally don't allow any mainspace article categories to propagate. However, I note that the "submit" template I referred to above, provides the following text about categories, in the context of tips for speeding up your chances of an earlier review:

"To improve your odds of a faster review, tag your draft with relevant WikiProject tags using the button below. This will let reviewers know a new draft has been submitted in their area of interest. For instance, if you wrote about a female astronomer, you would want to add the Biography, Astronomy, and Women scientists tags."

In order to take advantage of that Wikiproject categorization facility, please visit this link. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:10, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Draft-sorter

Where is the gadget for it? 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 20:42, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@LightningComplexFire: I don't see it at Special:Gadgets. Where did you learn about this gadget? RudolfRed (talk) 20:47, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

RudolfRed, Sorry, I meant user script 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 20:50, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

An automated summary on Draft talk:Miraheze --🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 20:50, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

LightningComplexFire, are you looking for User:Enterprisey/draft-sorter? You can find scripts at Wikipedia:User scripts/List. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Am I allowed to create my own WikiProject?

I want to create one dedicated to Signatures?

SoyokoAnis 21:08, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, SoyokoAnis. I'm not confident such a WikiProject would be very active; while sigs are fun they are a minor part of what we do on Wikipedia and there's already significant documentation on creating signatures at WP:SIGTUT and WP:CUSTOMSIG.

While technically you could unilaterally create WikiProject pages in project space, without other editor support they'd likely face MfD. I'd recommend gauging WikiProject ideas by making a proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals. Kind regards, Zindor (talk) 00:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Our building switched from an office building to a hotel and the current wikipedia page is causing a lot of confusion. How do I update this as I do not manage the page?

 207.250.171.3 (talk) 21:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

No one "manages" a Wikipedia article. You can post suggestions for improving the article on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 21:37, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

death date mistake

Julie Strain did not die on January 10th, she is still living. Remover her name from the recent deaths page. i tried but was unable to. This article makes it clear the death reports were false. https://www.distractify.com/p/julie-strain-death Kudzuman84 (talk) 23:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@Kudzuman84: I added a header to your question. The article Julie_Strain does not mention her death. If you saw it somewhere else on Wikipedia, please link to it. RudolfRed (talk) 23:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Kudzuman84. Your source says "Updated 12 months ago". It's about an earlier claimed death in January 2020. Our editors are trying to find out whether it's real this time. She has currently been removed from Deaths in 2021. It's discussed at Talk:Deaths in 2021#Julie Strain. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:43, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Need Help with this draft

Need Help with this draft, i am new to wikipedia and this is my first article. can someone help me with correcting and adding some more information and publishing the article?

Link:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Zeyan_Shafiq Hums4r (talk) 01:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I have shortened your title here; I hope you don't mind. What notability Zeyan Shafiq has seems to come from Kashbook. If a draft about Kashbook can be created from multiple reliable, independent, published sources, then you might create the Kashbook draft first, and then, after that has been accepted as an article, resume working on your Zeyan Shafiq draft. -- Hoary (talk) 01:22, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Need Help to publish this draft to main space.

FYI

 – Section transplanted by Tenryuu.

I have checked the draft multiple times, kindly assist me if there is something missing in it, i have followed all the guidelines from wikipedia. i have added all the reliable sources for the notability. There isnt just a single notability source of kashbook, this person is also notable for starting and founding "stalwart esports" as well.

Link:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Zeyan_Shafiq

Thanks sir. Hums4r (talk) 02:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Your list of contributions shows that you have sent an identical message asking for help to a number of people. Better to discuss the matter here.

If I understand the draft correctly, and if the content of the draft reflects Zeyan Shafiq's achievements, then his major achievement is with Kashbook. I've already (above) suggested that you first write a draft about Kashbook and have that accepted as an article. Dl2000 has made a similar suggestion on your user talk page.

Your draft comes with a photo of Zeyan Shafiq that you describe as your "own work". And there's another photo of Zeyan Shafiq that's described in the same way. It appears from the combination of (i) the nature of the photographs and (ii) "own work" that the photographer (you) and Zeyan Shafiq know each other. Do you know each other? -- Hoary (talk) 08:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Hoary for bringing the issue here. The way Hums4r left messages on my talk page are clear-cut indications that this is the best "COI piece". ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 08:58, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

And perhaps it's no coincidence that another contributor to the draft has the username Zeyan. -- Hoary (talk) 09:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for letting me know about AfC process, i have done the same, and yes i happen to know him, but this is not a COI, I have gone through all the articles myself. this is the only reason i want to do article on him, also i am planning to do article mainly on notable kashmiri people. i think people should know about him(He has been very notable in news in 2017 and now with his new startup 'Stalwart Esports' he's making it to news again and thats why i wanted to do it on him,my formatting might be wrong but i am learning it all) and other kashmiri's as well since everyone looks up for information on wikipedia only. i am new to wikipedia and still learning on how to make edits, i was unable to move the article to mainspace and i googled about it and it showed me that you need an old account to move it, so i asked Zeyan if he has an old account and if he can move it, since i didnt know about AfC process, i admit my mistake and apologise for it, i have submitted it through AfC. i'll make sure this doesnt get repeated, and my reason for asking multiple users about the draft was to ask them to review it if there are any mistakes in the article. Thanks for letting me know. also have updated the source of pictures. Draft:Zeyan Shafiq Hums4r (talk) 00:57, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Pinging Hoary for further consideration. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 04:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hums4r, Two points. First, if you know Zeyan Shafiq, then you have a conflict of interest when writing about him. The meaning of "conflict of interest" (as understood in Wikipedia, and including your situation) is briefly explained in the very first sentence of "WP:Conflict of Interest", and explained in more detail in its section "What is conflict of interest?". Secondly, if Zeyan Shafiq is notable for Stalwart Esports, then presumably Stalwart Esports is notable; if both Kashbook and Stalwart Esports have articles and reliable, independent, published sources provide more to be said about Zeyan Shafiq than would fit in either of these existing articles, then it would be time to write about him. -- Hoary (talk) 05:12, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, Yes i will start researching properly on both of the organisations and start a article for them as well, but for now i am focused on notable persons from Kashmir, because people know them here more then their organisations and if there is a wiki article for them they will be able to get more information about these persons and their organisations, this is the only reason why i am writing articles on persons, i don't know him that closely i started talking to him to gather more information only after i told him that i will be trying to make his article on wikipedia. all my points mentioned in the article are completely neutral. and if there is something that is wrong you can certainly remove it.his esport organisation is still new so he has just 6-7 reference articles. i will do some more research on them as well, but kindly tell me can i proceed to make pages for notable kashmiri people or not. there are very few people who are on wikipedia while in kashmir there are many notable persons and they deserve an article on wiki and they meet all guidelines of wikipedia.

Request

Please remove the tag "Require administrator access" to create "Dytto"(Singer and youtube personality) from wikipedia. I am planning to create an article about her. Thanks! —Big Hero 01:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Big Hero: Create a draft first, following WP:YFA. If the draft is approved, someone will move it to main space. RudolfRed (talk) 02:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Would you mind telling me who will get the creator credit if follow the draft process?—Big Hero 12:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Big Hero: If you create the draft, then you that will be you. RudolfRed (talk) 16:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Manual operated anti-vandalism tools

I am currently working on a tool that could be used for anti vandalism purposes, I have already made local tests, and I understand that I will take full responsibility for the edits I make using my tool. Am I allowed to use it? Also, I am not auto confirmed, and it would function similar to Twinkle ThatIPEditor (talk) 04:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC) ThatIPEditor (talk) 04:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

You can use whatever tools you want, just remember that it's your account. Edits are edits, no matter how you make them. WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 05:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi ThatIPEditor! Please see WP:BOTPOL for the policy and guidance on using bots and other automated processes on Wikipedia. Orville^talk 07:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Orville:Would a tool, like tw, be considered as a automated process? Also, note that I am not watching this page. Thank you!ThatIPEditor (talk) 20:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@WhoAteMyButter (meant to address this to ThatIPEditor).If it uses logic to make editing decisions for you, or if it actually makes the edits, it would fall under the bot policy. The link I provided gives a lot more detail. If it’s a user script like the Lupin anti-vandal tool then it’s not a bot since it just points out likely vandalism to the user, but you still have to make the decision and the edit yourself. Orville^talk 08:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! ThatIPEditor (talk) 17:57, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Re: Imdad Hussaini

Imdad Hussaini is linked in Deaths in August 2020 as having died August 27, which to my knowledge, was never challenged. This is the source used. Foreign language Wikipedia articles show him as deceased as well such as this one Instead of getting in an edit war, I thought I'd bring it here. According to the editor that reverted me, claims the poet is alive. I'm not sure given the sources are in a language I can't read. Snickers2686 (talk) 04:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC) Snickers2686 (talk) 04:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Snickers2686. I have no expertise here, but I popped into Google "pakistani english newspapers", ran some searches and quickly found this - an article from November 2020, stating "Writers, scholars, artists and journalists expected to participate in the sessions, according to the schedule, include ... Imdad Hussaini..." Not definitive, but an indication that news of his demise may be exaggerated. I advise a post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pakistan.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Pinging Hammad and Obaid Raza. Perhaps they may help. ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^(talk) 11:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Snickers & Aafi This misconception is that Imdad Hussaini is a Sindhi poet and the other Imdad Hussain imdad is a Balti (language) poet. They are two different poets. The source is about the death of Balti poet. While the Sindhi poet is alivehttps[3]. The names are misunderstood.Obaid Raza (talk) 06:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Obaid Raza: So then the Imdad Hussaini entry should be removed from Deaths in August 2020 then, yes? Snickers2686 (talk) 17:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not believe in doing good things?

Wikipedia says it has a neutral point of view, does that mean that Wikipedia does not believe in doing good things. 103.139.171.14 (talk) 07:03, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

That's not what neutral POV means. Neutral POV means that we don't get opinionated (like "Clowns are bad"). We do however, say that a person is criminal IF sources say so. If something is unlawful, we say it is unlawful. This doesn't mean editors get to express their thoughts on "right or wrong". GeraldWL 07:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Per above. Bit of confusion there. Wikipedia reports factually and dispassionately; which is what makes it have a neutral point of view. We use reliable sources, and a preponderance of them where possible, to present the most factual, observably "true" (per those experts) version of whatever is being discussed.

So no, we wont promote BLM for example. Wikipedia as an organisation may, many editors may support it even, but the encyclopedia is written from the perspective of being an independent authoritative source where claims are attributed, and evidence/argumenys directly supporting a conclusion is included when it is done so by the consensus only. Koncorde (talk) 07:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

One could consider making a free online encyclopedia to be a good thing. Not everybody does. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Editor status

Confirming knowledge on a specialist status I am club historian for my football team, a small semi-professional outfit in Manchester, England (Ashton United) - the club is 146 years old but has not had books written about them and receives limited press coverage. I have a proven history of editing their Wiki page from information found in my research which I cannot often corroborate through publications or online resources, and there are errors on the page which I cannot easily correct as they are wrongly corroborated to other data sources. is there the opportunity in Wiki that allows one to have some sort of approved editing status on a limit area of expertise? TIA Robin ashton (talk) 08:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Robin ashton, hi there. Wikipedia uses reliable sources like news, magazines, or journals, or reliable audiovisual material, but not the person involved. Relevant policies include WP:OR and WP:COI. There is no approved editing (i.e. peer review) and editors are not limited to editing articles only on their expertise. There are, however articles tagged for pending changes, meaning that IP or non-autoconfirmed users cannot get their edits approved directly unless approved by a professional editor, given for articles with persistent vandalism. GeraldWL 08:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

NB: By professional we mean experienced, not qualified. Everyone here is a volunteer. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 09:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Qualifier: Yes, "experienced" refers to editing experience, not subject experience. GeraldWL 10:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I add this to an AFD discussion?

How do I add "Note: This discussion has been included in the list ....." to an AFD discussion? Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 08:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC) Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 08:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey Aceing Winter Snows Harsh Cold. There are automated tools to assist with doing this, as well as templates that can help. However, here's the manual approach:

1. → Go to an existing AfD discussion that has a few of those notes (e.g., randomly from the many to choose from at today's AfD log, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avaye Honar);
2. → see where such notes are inserted within the contours of that discussion, and how they are formatted, by viewing it in 'edit mode' (click "edit this page" at the top of the page [source editing; not visual editor]);
3. → noting that location, copy the formatting of one such note;
4. → click edit this page at the AfD your question is about;
5. → paste copied note into correct part of that AfD;
6. → tailor for your specifics (making sure to replace the person's signature w/time stamp, before the ending markup, with your signature w/time stamp [e.g., "~~~~</small>; and
7. → save ("Publish changes").

If you just want to do this once or twice, then the above is likely all you need. If you plan on doing this regularly, you'll probably want to carefully read and take advantage of the resources and instructions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting, such as installing User:Enterprisey/delsort and/or User:Fox Wilson/delsort, make use of {{Deltab}} etc. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: Thank you very much for helping me over this issue.  :) Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 04:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Making changes to brand pages

Hi, just wanted to check if there are any guidelines for brands to update their wikipedia page? 203.184.213.11 (talk) 09:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@203.184.213.11: yes. Apart from the usual content policies, they must comply with WP:COI and WP:PAID, the latter being a Terms of Use requirement. I strongely recommend that brands review at least the Terms of Use and the content policies before posting anything, as things often go sideways... Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:26, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I would also note that any Wikipedia article(not just a "page") about a brand or company does not belong to that brand; they have no special rights to it as the brand. They are welcome to submit edit requests on article talk pages related to their brand, and should avoid directly editing the article. 331dot (talk) 10:38, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Further, a Wikipedia article is not for the benefit (or detriment) of its subject. The subjects of many articles do get some benefit from the articles, of course, but that is - and must be - no part of Wikipedia's purpose. That is why conflict of interest is so important. --ColinFine (talk) 12:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

My article is a mess. I need help formatting it before the submission is reviewed.

Hi, I have created an article, but the format isn't as same as the page I copied it from. Everything is same, but it still displays differently. I have submitted the article for review, can anyone format it better??? Thanks in advance! Callmejones (talk) 10:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Also, I got an error saying references like YouTube are discouraged. But they are acceptable from official channels, right? Because this person is an online personality, all of his events were published on social media only.

Courtesy: draft is at User:Callmejones/sandbox. What do you mean by "...the page I copied it from"? Do you mean format or content? David notMD (talk) 10:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Callmejones, welcome to the Teahouse. I have removed an extra }} from the infobox.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 10:58, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I copied the codes from here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoella

Thanks for your help! PrimeHunter David notMD

Who's going to review the article? Is the language okay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callmejones (talk • contribs) 11:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Callmejones, it seems a reviewer has declined the draft due to unsuitable sources. You may want to take some time to read WP:RS as many of the sources provided are not appropriate for Wikipedia's use. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:34, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Question to Teahouse hosts: The declining reviewer left this comment: "Amazon, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram and Facebook are not suitable reliable sources." Given that the subject of the draft is known solely for his YouTube persona, can the YouTube references be sufficient to convey notability? David notMD (talk) 12:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

The main problem is that YouTube is not considered a relaible source, per WP:RSPYT. According to our List of YouTubers, "A YouTuber is considered notable if they have received significant, non-routine coverage in reliable sources for more than one event. If a YouTuber has not received significant, non-routine coverage in reliable sources for more than one event then they are not considered notable, even if they have 100,000,000 subscribers."--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Requesting for help editing

Hello, My article Draft:ESam has been declined. How can I modify it in terms of wording and tone? Ahassannezhad (talk) 11:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Ahassannezhad, welcome to the Teahouse. The sentences are choppy; they are missing a "flow" from one sentence to other. This problem can be fixed by joining some sentences together with commas or semicolons. There are a few other things that pop out to me:

• Contractions. Pretty good with not using them, but there's one up in the second sentence: It's one of the online shopping in Iran (emphasis added, links removed).
• Incomplete descriptor. The same sentence also uses "one of" to describe what is after, which means that it has to be countable; online shopping is not countable. This can be fixed by adding a word after "shopping"; it might be website or company.
• (Unconscious) bias. It's subtle, but the draft seems to support the subject and portrays them like an underdog. It could definitely be described from a more neutral point of view. Does the reader need to know the company was initially facing a major crisis? Maybe not.

You should also probably ask the reviewer who declined (Curbon7) what parts of the draft they were concerned with that do not fit Wikipedia's tone. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Dear Tenryuu, Thank you for your help and kindness.Ahassannezhad (talk) 14:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Are here any Australians?

Hi, dear people, i'm searching for an Australian, who could help me with one question concerning football? --Gyanda (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Gyanda, perhaps HiLo48 may be able to help you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:41, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Depends which "football" you mean: we have Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian rules football for Aussie rules football, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Football for soccer. Both of those projects have talkpage where you can ask questions. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Joseph and Gråbergs Gråa Sång. I wanted to know whether this game is equivalent to "Soccer" as we play it here in Germany, but as i read there are 18 players (we only have 11) it must be something different. I will link the term "football" to the Australian rules Football - a page which also exists in Germany. I'm on my last sentences for my new article for the German wikipedia on Vincent Namatjira, and he won the Archibald-Prize for a portrait of Adam Goodes. Thank you for your quick responses. Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 12:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

It's complicated. In Australia there are four professional sports called football by at least some of their fans, plus at least two more played at an amateur level. The article that tells the full story is Football in Australia. The sport with 11 players and a round ball is probably the third most popular (depends on how you measure it). Australian Rules Football, using 18 players, is the most successful, followed by Rugby League. Rugby Union comes in fourth. Australian Rules Football and Rugby League have an obvious geographic divide, explained by the Barassi Line. Soccer wants to be called football, but that's obviously ambiguous, so Wikipedia developed a guideline to manage the situation - WP:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). Adam Goodes played Australian Rules Football. HiLo48 (talk) 21:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Moving Article Out of the Sandbox to Publish

Hi! I have written an article a few months ago that I now feel is ready for publishing. The only problem is that I can't figure out how to move it out of the sandbox and publish it. What pulldown menu near the search box are they talking about? I don't have an option to "Put the title into the 'to new title' input box." Help! :) CamilleSparkman (talk) 12:16, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

CamilleSparkman, welcome to the Teahouse. You appear to be WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, so there should be a dropdown menu labeled "More". Hovering over it should reveal its contents, the first of which should be "Move". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:23, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! It's excited to know the option is there now.

Hello, CamilleSparkman, and welcome to the Teahouse. This was your tenth edit, so you should now be autoconfirmed and able to see the "Move" button. But don't move your draft to mainspace now because it will be a waste of everybody's time. Your draft User:CamilleSparkman/sandbox is nothing like a Wikipedia article, and will very quickly get either deleted or (at best, if somebody thinks that it is salvageable) moved back to Draft space. A Wikipedia aritlce must have citations to reliable independent sources. Please study your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 12:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I will read that link and continue working on it!

Establishing a page presence / sorting out one that didn't go down well before

I wonder if you can help me? I have just joined my company (Kreston International) and am trying to work out why we don’t have a Wiki page whereas all our competitors do ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accounting_network).

We seem to have fallen foul of some Wiki users -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kreston_International_Limited.

How can we start again with a simple factual page. Many thanks for help in doing this. MarketingKreston MarketingKreston (talk) 12:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC) MarketingKreston (talk) 12:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

MarketingKreston: no, it's not Wikipedia users your (incompetent) predecessor fell foul of, it's Wikipedia policies. You're welcome to start again. You should start by ignoring what you know about the company, and what your colleagues and bosses tell you to write. You should instead look for reliable independent published sources that discuss the company, and base your article on those. Maproom (talk) 13:00, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

MarketingKreston in addition you will need to request a name change and forget ANY idea of "marketing" your company here. Wikipedia only has articles on notable topics see WP:NCORP for the criteria. Theroadislong (talk) 13:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

MarketingKreston That your competitors may merit articles(if they do) does not automatically mean your company does as well. Each article is judged on its own merits. See other stuff exists for more information. It could be that the articles about your competitors are inappropriate. In addition, such articles were probably not written by company representatives. 331dot (talk) 13:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi MarketingKreston. Since you've titled your post as Establishing a page presence and seem to be worried about your competitors having Wikipedia articles written about them, it seems like you might be misunderstanding what a Wikipedia article is intended to be. So, you might want to read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia:Article for some general information about Wikipedia. Once you've done that, you probably should take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies); this last page, in particular, will explain the kind of things Wikipedia is looking for when attempting to create an article about a company. If after reading all of those pages, you still feel you can still create an article about your company which will have a good chance of avoiding WP:DELETION as second time, then I strongly suggest you start with a WP:DRAFT and submit the draft to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review when you think it's ready.

Finally, I also suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Username Policy#Inappropriate usernames because there are a number of issues with your username that you're going to need to resolve if you intend to try and create an article about your company or just continue editing in general. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Rights: ... read pages (read)

Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) § Rights: ... read pages (read)

 – JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 13:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Canadian Pizza Restaurants

How do I make edits without having them reverted? I am trying to add a restaurant to a list of Canadian pizza restaurants? 142.177.183.128 (talk) 14:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. List articles like that one are not for every possible member of the list; only those restaurants with preexisting Wikipedia articles may be included in the list. For this restaurant to merit a Wikipedia article, you must show with significant coverage in independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to write about the restaurant that it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company.

If you work for this restaurant, you must review conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 14:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Is this suspicious behavior, or am I not understanding something about how editors monitor pages?

So I recently noticed this[5] edit on the Poppy (entertainer) article. The content of the edit isn't what I'm asking about here. Rather, when I looked at the edit history[6] of Room330, I saw that they had only edited Poppy's article, and nothing else. I noticed that yesterday. By itself, that seemed a little weird, but not that crazy, I guess. Today I noticed that the edit, by Room330, undoing the deletion came just 16 hours after someone made the deletion. But, Room330 hadn't made any other edits in the last 3 months. It just struck me as odd that someone would not edit anything for three months, and then, mere hours after someone deleted content that they had added in the past, they were right there to undo it. It seems like a lot of coincidence. Am I crazy? Am I missing something about how editors monitor changes to pages? Wes sideman (talk) 14:46, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

You can set up your watchlist to email you when specific articles are changed. It might be that. Or just have a very short watchlist. Not suspicious in itself. Johnbod (talk) 15:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I did not notice that you could ask for email when an article on your list is changed. Thank you. Wes sideman (talk) 15:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

request

i piblished an article about my self but ir declined,i only want how i get an article from wikipedia? for more : https://www.karzanhisham.com/ https://www.youtube.com/KarzanHisham https://www.instagram.com/karza0n/ Karza0n (talk) 14:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Karza0n, The answer is that you cannot. For more see WP:Auto S Philbrick(Talk) 14:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Are you allowed to create your own Wikipedia:Project Page?

Just so you know it's not dedicated to me or myself. SoyokoAnis 15:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

SoyokoAnis, what specifically are you looking to create? If it's a WikiProject (i.e. a collaboration dedicated to a specific topic), see WP:WikiProject Council. If it's a personal page just for you, you can create it as a subpage in your userspace, e.g. User:SoyokoAnis/THEPAGENAME. If it's a generally applicable essay or something similar, you can create it at Wikipedia:THEPAGENAME, but if it's a duplicate or otherwise undesired it may be deleted or merged. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@SoyokoAnis: There are links at WP:Project that will lead you to info on how to create a project. Also, you just asked this question recently. Please give some time for answers rather than reposting the question. RudolfRed (talk) 16:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

RudolfRed this is not a repost. Those were two different questions.

Recommend destination

I want editors to review a notability guideline. What's the destination? (Ex- Village Pump?) Pesticide1110 ^{Lets wrestle!} 15:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Pesticide1110, hmm, I'm not 100% sure about that. WP:VPP would be my thought. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Renaming my account

Where can I apply to rename my account? A.889 (talk) 15:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

A.889, see Wikipedia:Changing username. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks--A.889 (talk) 16:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

ADD A PHOTO THAT I HAVE TAKEN

FYI

Moved the question from the previous section.

how do I indicate that I took the photo? WikiUName (talk) 15:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

WikiUName, for a photo you took, you should add it to Wikimedia Commons. The upload wizard there will allow you to add a license indicate that you took the photo. Once the photo is on Commons, you can use it here, and you don't need to do anything else to indicate you took it. People who click on the photo will be able to see that it's yours from the license. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:58, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I need help in reviewing my article

This is my first article, i submitted it for publishing, but i got a notification that it would be deleted because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person.

This is totally false, the articles is not advertising or promoting anyone, rather it only highlight educational background, achievements, appointments of this civil servant who is a permanent secretary.

Please i need help if someone can help me proof read and possible point me in the right direction. Thank you so much Nigeria Bulk Electricity Trading (talk) 16:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nigeria Bulk Electricity Trading. Assuming you choose a non-promotional user name and get un-soft-blocked, if the article remains at all you will need to remove all the extremely promotional, corporate PR ad-speak and peacock language from the draft, as well as the résumé-like content (and then continue to add citations to reliable, secondary, independentTemplate:Z21 that demonstrate the notability of the subject by treating him in substantive detail, if those sources exist).

If those sources and depth of treatment in them don't exist, no acceptable article will be possible. Anyway, since the article requires a fundamental rewrite, a deletion would not be so bad right now. It will allow you to restart on the right foot. (But don't waste your own time if the necessary sources don't exist.)

Please note that your intent is not the issue. The notices you refer to are not false because, regardless of what you intended, the draft reads like it was taken directly from the subject's linkedin page. It simply is extremely promotional because of the content and writing. As an example "He has anchored and implemented key initiatives within the civil and public service which led to several innovative launches" is just chock full of evaluative buzz word panegyric praise, in Wikipedia's voice. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:38, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Please note, Nigeria Bulk Electricity Trading that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. . --ColinFine (talk) 20:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Help - my article/page was rejected

Posting an article/page in English about my former teacher at the school of architecture but it was rejected, what should I do differently? Christopherhjortholt (talk) 17:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Christopherhjortholt Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. To merit an article, your teacher must receive significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to write about the subject, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. The one source you offered seems to be an interview with the subject, which is not an independent source. Please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 17:10, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

He might well be notable, but why doesn't he have an article in the Danish Wikipedia, I ask myself? Johnbod (talk) 17:34, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh, he does, and that has a good few references - probably enough, if you add them. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Can i add commons.wikipedia.org images in my website posts?

Can i add commons.wikipedia.org images in my website posts? If yes then how to add it? please help answering this question. 103.91.123.136 (talk) 17:26, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Images on Commons are may be reused for any purpose. Some are public domain and some have a license with requirements such as attribution notice. If you click on the image you want, it will show what the license is. You can download the image from commons and then add it to your website. RudolfRed (talk) 17:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Note also that each project has its own help facilities. For future questions regarding Commons, please see c:Commons:Help desk. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Talk Page for Article

I am having trouble locating the talk button for the article which I'm editing Diomedes Agonistes (talk) 17:37, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Diomedes Agonistes: The link will be at the top of the page. Based on your most recent edit, it is here: Talk:Hotel_Continental,_Ho_Chi_Minh_City RudolfRed (talk) 17:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Cheque Payment

A request from Germany: Some weeks ago, I got a FoIA request approved by the CIA. The problem is now payment, as the CIA allows only cheque or money order. And these two are almost extinct in Europe, so I could not find a bank to pay it. Question to the readers here, is there a possibility to pay in this pay from Europe?--Antemister (talk) 17:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Antemister Hello. This is the Teahouse, a place for new or inexperienced users to ask questions about using Wikipedia. It is not a general help forum; you may wish to try the Reference Desk. 331dot (talk) 17:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

OK, will move (in Germany, there is the Café for such questions, so I went here).--Antemister (talk) 18:03, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

elizabeth erin walsh? -since she was fired by trump 2018 for interfering with the trump brand in China and ending sanctions on chinese telecom. what has Elizabeth Erin since?

 65.129.51.111 (talk) 17:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.2 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:26, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hoax article - Madrigal Shipping Lines

Following the deletion discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Madrigal Shipping Lines how can I get this added to WP:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia Lyndaship (talk) 18:00, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Lyndaship: If it complies with the criteria at the page, just add it yourself. I'm not sure if that page lists all hoaxes or just the most well-known ones, though, and this one doesn't appear to have made a particularly big splash. Reading the deletion discussion, I'm not sure we're even 100% sure it was a hoax rather than just some super obscure line that's probably not notable. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks but as a non-admin all I could do is put the title in the list as a red link as the page history is no longer visible Lyndaship (talk) 18:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey Lyndaship I will go create the hoax project topic subpage. Once I do, I will report back here and ping you so you can create the table entry with a blue link. (BTW, this is only related to your post, insofar as it prompted me to become aware of this project page, but I don't think we should be hosting the content of these hoax pages where they contained copyright violations or defamatory content on BLPs. After I initially made a change to the page to address this, I found my sensibility was in actual conflict with our current practice.)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Lyndaship: Done.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks - added Lyndaship (talk) 14:03, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Stuck & need advice

I wrote a piece on Scott Nathan, a prominent and influential celebrity photog and lighting innovator. Bofore I could even submit the article a moderator nominated it for deletion. (The same moderator did the same thing on another article I wrote) I defended the subject and I reached out to the moderator to debate notability. It seems now he is bailing and asking me to go another route. I am trying o understand the process and need a third-party to independently assist. Thank you! ConstellationTeam (talk) 18:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC) ConstellationTeam (talk) 18:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

ConstellationTeam Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Is a single person operating your account? Each account is for the exclusive use of a single individual; group accounts are not permitted. You may need to visit Special:GlobalRenameRequest to change your username. You may also need to read about conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 18:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank but I only use this login account. It has it correctly at the top. I do not know what you mean other than that...are you referring to the word team? ConstellationTeam (talk) 18:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

ConstellationTeam Yes, the word "Team" suggests that your account is a group account. 331dot (talk) 18:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh ok I was unaware that was an issue. Can you point me in the right direction to resolve? Thank you ConstellationTeam (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Scott Nathan is currently an unsubmitted draft. David notMD (talk) 18:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

What, if any, is your connection to Scott Nathan? David notMD (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

a word -- "ex-Conre" -- unknown to search engines

Please see Talk:History_of_Texas_(1865–99)#a_word_--_"ex-Conre"_--_unknown_to_search_engines
 Mike Schwartz (talk) 20:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Note: Below I am duplicating my response from the article's talk page--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mike Schwartz. This was simple vandalism, that I have now fixed (thank you kindly for bringing this to our attention). Unfortunately, this was done way back on 21:49, April 18, 2018, and persisted since then. You can see the edit that did this here. I was easily able to find this by using the "Wikiblame tool". This can be accessed by going to the page history, and then clicking on the link on the top, left-hand side of the page for "Find addition/removal", and then entering some portion of text, to locate when and by what editor it was added. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Idea

I think Wikipedia should add a dark mode feature. It would make viewing much easier on the eyes at nighttime. What do you think? I think it would be nice and I hope it can happen.

Election Tron 20:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Election Tron. In order to apply the Vector-DarkCSS skin, you can copy the contents of this page into your vector.css page. Another option is to go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check on the option for "Use a black background with green text". Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! The vector.css version works great 👍🏻 Election Tron (talk) 21:58, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Election Tron: Glad to help.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

What is a Romanian cognate of the name "Jack" and which Project or Task Force might know best?

I was looking at this Wiktionary category (Romanian given names) and I don't see a cognate for the English name "Jack", not under I or J. I know a Romanian man named "Jack" or "Jacques" in English, and I also know that he writes it "Jacques" sometimes to encourage a closer approximation among American English speakers.

I'm not sure if this should go in a Project page for Romanian culture, the Romanian language, linguistics in general, or if it belongs on Wiktionary and not Wikipedia at all. This little mystery cuts across a lot of disciplines, and the "true solution" might be as simple as "his parents named him Jack in Romania although it is orthographically unsound because they were naming him after a non-Romanian celebrity - he now misspells it Jacques simply to emulate the Romanian vowel sound from before he emigrated". Or maybe "Jac" is a valid but uncommon Romanian name, although the idea of a valid given name is a bit silly. Fluoborate (talk) 20:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fluoborate. I would ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language, which seems a perfect fit for this type of question. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

My name

my name is wrong on your site why have you got my name wrong who put it no your site? 2A02:C7F:1EA9:8200:FD7C:D233:3000:4C24 (talk) 21:10, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Since you haven't said which article you are talking about, it is difficult to help you. This site is an encyclopedia written by thousands of editors, and it has millions of articles. Please be more specific. 331dot (talk) 21:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Appears this is Michael John "Jack" Duncliffe, who is not happy that the article name is Jack Duncliffe. The article was created in 2017. David notMD (talk) 21:37, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Normally, I'd suggest posting at the article's talk page (Talk:Jack Duncliffe), but that page is likely not watched by many people, so WT:WikiProject Football would be better. I'll note there are inconsistencies within the article ("Jack" is missing from the lead and is shown above the infobox instead of the full name, etc.). Perhaps the page creator, EchetusXe, might comment here or in one of those places. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I no longer have A who's who of Grimsby Town AFC : 1890-1985. Jack is a nickname for John, such as Jack Charlton. He is referred to as Jack Duncliffe in the book, here, here and here. I have no further information. If the person in question now prefers to be called John that's fine it can be changed, but I don't know how one would go establishing whether this person is the 73-year old former professional footballer or not.--EchetusXe 14:03, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Would a list of businesses/corporations that have stopped their political donations to U.S. congressional members who objected to electoral college votes and/or supported/incited the capitol rioters be worthy of a Wikipedia page?

Many businesses and coprorations have said they would and/or already have temporarly or permantently stopped any new political donations to current members of the U.S. Congress who supported overtuning the electoral college votes for the 2020 presidential election, and/or supported/incited the rioters who stormed the capitol building on January 6, 2021. Would a list of the businesses/corporations who are temporarily halting or permanently stopping political donations to some or all U.S. congress members be worthy of a Wikipedia article? There are many business/corporations doing so, so the list would likely only include ones of note, such as Amazon, Google and Microsoft.

If yes, I was thinking of making a list with the businesses/corporation and then the congress members an/or political party each specific business/corporation has stopped giving political donations to. If they have halted/permanently stopped all prolitical donations to all members of congress and any political party they financially supported, I would note that instead, rather then specific members of congress and specific political parties. Greshthegreat (talk) 21:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Hello, Greshthegreat and welcome to the Teahouse. That's an interesting question. The answer probably comes down to notability, reliable sources and it not being just a short term news item, but of long term relevance. I suspect there is some merit in such an article (albeit with a more concise title). But, whilst the two articles you cite could be used as the foundation to such an article, I would want to see a short explanation of each company's or person's position, each supported by a proper source. Perhaps in these instances we would accept citations to those businesses own websites. I do struggle to envisage a concise page title for such an article, but might suggest that at the very least a 'controversy' section is added or expanded at each individual congressional member's page, obviously fully supported with citation to a specific statement about that person by given companies who have withdrawn financial backing. I think the two refs you gave here are not detailed enough to link to named individuals, so you would need to look for more specific references. Sadly, I'm not familiar with how the financing of American politics works, so it might be worth asking this question in another forum to gauge interest (though I'm not quite sure which ones might be best). Maybe other editors here might wish to comment. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Greshthegreat How about adding a new section 4 to Republican reactions to Donald Trump's claims of 2020 election fraud called Republican reactions to Donald Trump's claims of 2020 election fraud#Political fallout. Then you can have the donation information as 4.1 Corporate donations, and track anyone who loses their seat due to the fallout as 4.2. Election results? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:10, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Why do my edits get reverted

I am adding small facts and changing names that are wrong but they keep getting reverted why??? Cawson (talk) 22:26, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Cawson, welcome to the Teahouse. It is most likely because the information you're adding is not sourced, which means it can be easily challenged or removed. You may want to read WP:EASYREFBEGIN to learn how to cite sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Furthermore, Cawson, you are changing names away from what is given in the sources. Wikipedia depends on its sources. If you can find reliable sources that say that Louis Riel should be spelt Louis Ryiel, then you can propose the change (with the references) on the article's talk page, and see if you can change the consensus to Ryiel. But changing an article so that it no longer corresponds to what its sources say, without explanation, is disruptive. Also see WP:Verifiability, not truth. --ColinFine (talk) 23:16, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

How to Best Deal With Misinformation and Inadequate Sources?

So I’ve been editing the Marquis de Sade page because there was lots of misinformation with poor sourcing. Specifically, much of what the page said cited this very inadequate source: https://www.biography.com/writer/marquis-de-sade. However, after I removed the source and the statements corresponding to that source, another user edited the page to include some of the misleading statements and the poor source again.

My questions are: -What are my best options for correcting this misinformation and for preventing users in the future from re-inserting the same misinformation and poor source? -How do I mark a source as non-legitimate or inadequate? -Is there a way I can privately message a user to try to work out disputes over articles? Or is public discussion with the user the only way to resolve this? -Any other advice considering the issues I’ve listed here?

Thanks all for your help and service in providing info to the public via Wikipedia! PNople (talk) 22:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@PNople: You can always start a discussion on the talk page, and if that doesn't work, on the individual editor's talk page. I haven't looked at the specific edits and have no judgement about who's right or wrong, but you want the info to match the sources. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

How to get an article on my company up!

 Courtesy link: Draft:Dreality

Hey! I wanted to know how I could have you guys write an article on my startup please it would be very much appreciated DiannaAndrews (talk) 23:00, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link Draft:Dreality. Theroadislong (talk) 23:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DiannaAndrews, and welcome to the Teahouse. We can certainly help you, providing that you can supply us with citations to in-depth, detailed and independent sources which show that this company reaches our notability criteria (see WP:NCORP), for without that, there is no way the company will ever have an article here, and you will just be wasting your time. The problem is that many people think Wikipedia can be used to help publicise their business or themselves. It isn't. We care about NOTABILITY which is used to filter out the billions of people (like me) and millions of businesses (like yours) that the world has not paid especial attention to. None of the sources used to demonstrate 'notability' should be based upon press releases or company websites - and that's all you've provided thus far. Maybe one day when your startup has taken the world by storm we will be clamouring for an article about it, but I fear that day is yet to come. I'm sorry to disappoint you. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:21, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict):Hello, Dianna Andrews. I'm afraid the answer is that you don't. Monay people have the wholly mistaken belief that Wikipedia is a means of promoting things: it is not, and promotion of all kinds is forbidden. If we had an article about your company, it would not belong to you, you would not control its contents, and in fact, almost all its contents would be sourced to people unconnected with you. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. . Since it is unlikely that such independent writing about your startup exists, an article on it is probably impossible at present. If you make a big enough splash that there are some independent sources about your company, then we could have an article about it. You will be discouraged from writing it yourself, as it is unlikely that you can write with sufficient neutrality. But at prsent, if you attempt it, you will be wasting your time and everybody else's. --ColinFine (talk) 23:23, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DiannaAndrews - just to add to the excellent advice above, you want to use independent, reliable third party sources, per WP:RS. I did a quick Google search and don't see any independent coverage of the company. Anything with the word "presswire" in the header indicates it's a cut and paste from a press release service, and is therefore not considered independent or reliable. I don't even see your web site in the first few pages. This is likely WP:TOOSOON. You're better off for now focusing on adding information to your website first, such as an about us section, and that might help you get indexed. Then, if your business is a success, the media coverage will follow and you can come back and request help with article creation. Good luck! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:04, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I upload a photo?

How do I upload a photo onto a page? WessexAnne (talk) 00:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@WessexAnne: hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Before answering that rather broad question, please could you tell us (or give a link) to what photo you want to upload, and to which article? Did you take the photo and therefore own the rights to it? Is it copyright free, and released under a proper licence? Is the image already on Wikimedia Commons? or did you just find it on the internet somewhere? Answers to such questions will help us help you. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, if it's copyright free, it's in the public domain; and if it's in the public domain, there is no licence. -- Hoary (talk) 00:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

If you are the copyright holder, then you agree to release it under a very permissive copyleft licence and you upload it to Wikimedia Commons. Once it's there, you can use it in a Wikipedia article. (If you are not the copyright holder, then with few and minor exceptions you may not upload it and you may not use it.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC) corrected Hoary (talk) 00:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Elsewhere, you've written "I have a 1950s photo that I could add to the page". If the photographer was somebody other than yourself, it's highly unlikely that the photograph is usable. -- Hoary (talk) 00:36, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Activating Authority control

I have attempted to do this on the page of Petra Bonfert-Taylor by making dummy edits but this didn't work. Will someone please explain how to activate Authority control. Thanks. Mvitulli (talk) 00:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC) Mvitulli (talk) 00:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mvitulli, the instructions for inserting the template are here: Authority Control Template Usage. Orville^talk 04:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

New watchlist feature is great, who had the idea for it?

I was wondering who to thank for the new temporary/permanent watchlist feature. Great idea. Merits a barn star.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 00:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC) Paradise Chronicle (talk) 00:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Paradise Chronicle. It's an old request, e.g. phabricator:T8964 from 2006. There are other links at meta:Community Tech/Watchlist Expiry. The problem was implementing it. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Becoming a host

I wanna be a host.  66Destiny66 (talk) 02:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

You started an account today, and so far have made no article edits, Please become more familiar with adding and deleting content from articles. adding references, participating in Talk discussions, and perhaps look at Archives of Teahouse sections first. David notMD (talk) 03:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Questions?

Moved from WT:TEA

 – —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:29, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

How do i contribute Andrea yolis (talk) 00:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Andrea yolis: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to help. If you mean how can you find things to edit, check out the WP:Community Portal for some suggested tasks. If you mean how can you donate money, see [7]. RudolfRed (talk) 04:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

infobox reference #s don't match those in text

Hi, I can't get references with multiple mentions to match those in infobox. - they matched until I published, and then issues began. Does Infobox have priority for reference numbering? Should I use the SAME Reference #s in the body as I do in Infobox? Martine (talk) 02:59, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Martine! Please see this article: Cite Errors, it will explain how to define footnotes so you can invoke them in the text of the article. The article currently attempts to invoke them even though they haven't been defined yet. WP:FOOTNOTES goes into even more detail (but I think the first link will help fix the issue). Orville^talk 04:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Protocols, response and adding copyright info to an image

Three questions:

Ok - I've been challenged twice by two editors who are accusing me of paid editing, which I haven't engaged in because I know Wikipedia doesn't allow it. I thought I've responded to them both...but that may not be the case. So, when someone asks you a question, do you hit their name link to respond? I had one where I thought I was responding directly, but was redirected to another page and didn't see where I could file a response. Any help in ensuring I can respond to them directly would be appreciated.

2nd - I've uploaded an image where I need to release or identify the copyright. I received a notice from Wiki Commons but wasn't sure how to add the template to the image in question. Or if I would add that info to the info box. Any clarification would be appreciated.

Finally, I have two entries that I moved to Wiki only to have them bounce back. What do I need to do to permanently post them? Any assistance or opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks! Octopus69 (talk) 04:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

As for the first question, see Help:Talk_pages#Talk_page_use. Indent with a colon at the beginning of the line, and sign with four tildes (~). If you want to specifically reply to someone, you can either WP:PING them or just begin with "USERNAME: blah blah blah". WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 04:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Regarding your question 2, Octopus69. Is the image in question the one of "Marty Simon 2017.png" that you uploaded to Commons, where you stated it had been moved across from en.wiki? If you used the Upload Wizard (the easiest way to go), you will have been asked as part of the process to assign a license — and you have given it a CC-BY-SA-4.0 license, which is fine provided you were the photographer who took the image. However, as the image is a low-resolution .png (not a .jpg) it seems likely that you obtained it from elsewhere and hence do not own the copyright. Under some circumstances, en.wiki can hold what are called "fair use" images but that is not normally the case for living people: see WP:NFC#UUI for the policy. Please provide some further detail so someone can help you further. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Why aren't my section headings working? Are sections named correctly?

Hello! I currently have a draft of a biography written up. See here: Draft biography for Dami Olonisakin

As you can see, equal signs show up, but I want those to be section headers instead. What am I doing wrong?

Also, is "media work" a proper heading? I don't know what else I would use to write about her blog, Twitter, podcasts, and consent workshops.

Thank you!! IllQuill (talk) 05:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

IllQuill, welcome to the Teahouse. Are you using source editor? I see the headings appear to be rendered properly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:17, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi :Tenryuu, thank you! I originally used the source editor. I don't know why it seems to be working now as opposed to earlier but I'm glad it's working! It now looks right on my end. Thanks again! IllQuill (talk) 06:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@IllQuill: Section headings must not have other text on the line. It was fixed in [8] except one fixed in the next edit by removing <nowiki>...</nowiki> around the heading. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

How to use the Talk feature

For a while now, I've been wondering about how to use the chat section on any article, and I would like a brief overview of how to use it. Owen123c (talk) 05:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Owen123c. Article talk pages are for specific discussions about improving the article by more accurately summarizing what reliable independent sources say about the topic. General chat type discussion is not permitted. Please see WP:NOTAFORUM for additional guidance. Off topic posts are routinely reverted. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

See more at Help:Talk pages and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Question

Removal of personal information “name” from page edit history. [[User:|User:]] (talk) 09:53, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Can anyone help remove personal information from a page edit history?

A clients name appeared without permission or acceptable referencing in the original creation page. After removal multiple clones appeared on google of outdated pages from the edit history that included the clients name, personal unreferencable information about a living person.

Does that constitute grounds for deletion of the page as it was created against Wikipedia guidelines for acceptable referencing of biographical information on living persons?

Or permenant deletion of the offending edits and revisions from Wikipedia servers.

Can this be done and how do I go about it?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User: | ]] ([[User talk: #top|talk]] • contribs) 09:53, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

, Hi any personal information removed from a live page is automatically deleted from the revision history by user bots and must be added freehand and verified by admin. A large number of edits in the history have been suppressed, and aren't publicly viewable and since the current revision of the page does not contain your name, I presume that your name is no longer visible. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 11:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

The name has been removed from the article on 29 September 2017 in two consecutive edits by an anonymous editor working from the IP address 86.150.53.66: Special:Diff/765988493/802979509. There is not much more an ordinary editor can do.

There is, however, a RevisionDeletion feature, which allows for hiding old page versions if required, e.g. due to serious privacy or copyright violation. It is described in the Wikipedia policy Wikipedia:Revision deletion. Using it requires administrator rights (you may see WP:ADMIN for more info on admin rights and WP:RIGHTS for description of all access levels) and you'll find hints on requesting RevDel at short-cut link WP:REVDELREQUEST. But I'm not sure that a simple misinformation, which does not reveal sensitive personal data not constitutes an aspersion on you, is a valid reason for hiding over 40 revisions of the article.

Finally, what concerns obsolete copies of our article in other websites: neither the community of Wikipedia editing volunteers nor the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia have any control over those other sites, so there is no single way to update or cancel data you don't like from them. You'd have to contact with each of them to request removing or updating it. --CiaPan (talk) 13:43, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Publicity photos

How are publicity photos I.D.'d to Wikipedia's liking? Octopus69 (talk) 10:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by IDing publicity photos. Could you please explain? However, one thing you have to do is provide evidence that the copyright holder has either (A) released the photograph under an unusually permissive Creative Commons copyleft license (unusual) or (B) waived all rights to the photograph (very unusual). -- Hoary (talk) 11:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Please Help Me Improve My Article, Suggestions Required

Hi Editors, first I would like to thanks the editors of the Wiki Community who reviewed my submission. Although, unfortunately, my submission has been declined, and thus, here I would like to know what all necessary steps I shall take further to improve this submission.

Here is the link for your reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vvihan_Gulati

Though I have made a few minor changes to the article, but I am still not sure, what major things/changes would be required to get this submission approved by the community editors?

It would be great if experienced people out there would help me out to understand what I can do further to improve the article.

Request you all to please look into this. Thanks in advance! Rwadhaawa (talk) 11:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Rwadhaawa, and welcome to the Teahouse. The main problem is that there are no independent references. Have you read WP:NBIO? Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. You will need to find several sources that are not by Gulati or anybody associated with him. You should also read your first article if you haven't already. --ColinFine (talk) 12:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

You'll need to find evidence that Gulati is notable, in Wikipedia's sense, in the form of reliable independent published sources that discuss him. The sources currently cited provide none, as they are based on what he has said, and so not independent. (With a PR professional, finding independent sources can often be difficult, as they're good at publicising themselves, even while no-one else has anything to say about them.) Maproom (talk) 12:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @ColinFine and Maproom: for the prompt responses! Well I got your point here, I think you are saying that the sources I have cited are based on "self-interviews" or some association kind of thing, please correct me if I am wrong. Also, as suggested, I'll try to find a few more notable independent sources, meanwhile please let me know if I can make any improvement from the content point of view and what additional steps I would follow, once I'll come up with a few more notable sources? Thanks in advance!

Rwadhaawa (talk) 13:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

That's right Rwadhaawa: interviews with the subject are primary sources, and do not contribute to notability. What you need to do - in fact, what you should have done first of all, before ever writing a word of the draft - is to find the independent, reliable, substantial, sources that are a non-negotiable requirement to establish notability. If you can't find such sources, then you know not to waste any further time or effort on the article. If you can, then the article should summarise what those sources say. If that gives a substantial article (which your draft is not, having only three sentences, that do not give the reader much idea about the subject), then you can add a limited amount of non-controversial factual data (places, dates, etc) from non-independent sources; but a Wikipedia article should not normally contain anything that the subject says, unless it has been quoted or discussed by independent sources. Finally, you can add decorations such as images and infoboxes. --ColinFine (talk) 13:44, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @ColinFine:, I got your point and I'll try to come up with a few more reliable independent sources to back my article, meanwhile I'll try to make some changes in content as you suggested some infobox or image kind of things. Thanks again for your kind help here! Rwadhaawa (talk) 15:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

No, no, no, Rwadhaawa, don't waste time on infobox and images until you have found evidence that the subject is notable! That's why I called them "decorations": they're what you do when the house has been built. At present you don't know if your house has any foundations, or if you are trying to build it on quicksand. --ColinFine (talk) 15:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Ohh, I understand your point here, in that case, I'll try to come up with a few reliable sources first (hope I will). Ya, sure then, I'll first focus on getting some reliable sources as there is no point of decoration and all without having a home ready. Thanks again @ColinFine:, you have saved my time and efforts at this initial stage :-) Rwadhaawa (talk) 15:53, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Question by JashonCuyler13

without draft

JashonCuyler13 JashonCuyler13 (talk) 14:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@JashonCuyler13: hello, and welcoem to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:05, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Edit War

Hello, I had a question about a recent edit war that I am having with a new editor, Kleo-Sine. I have been editing, albeit unregistered since 2006 and Kleo-Sine has been editing since November 2020. They had made an edit to a page that I was editing for the british television series "Unforgotten". I corrected a grammar mistake that he had made a couple of times, not trying to be rude, and I guess he took offense as I have noticed just recently, that he has seemingly gone through my edit history and chosen to make a bunch of edits to many of the pages that I have edited in recent days. I find that a bit shady, and while I don't mind his verve for editing, I find it a bit annoying and mean spirited that he choosing to "follow me" through my edits and I worry that if I contribute any more to my favourite pages, that Kleo-Sine will continue to re-edit those pages. I do not want another continually piggy-backing me.

I have sent him a kind response asking him to pleae stop his vendetta against me, but I am not certain on his reaction, so I am asking you guys to please give me some advice on how to deal with these "new" editors with a chip on their shoulder or perhaps you can talk to them. This kind of reaction from Kleo Sine is making me want to stop editing on Wikipedia altogether and there are pages that I really enjoy contributing to. I would hope that this problem can be resolved in an amicable fashion. Thank You in advance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kleo-Sine 135.0.252.54 (talk) 14:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for helping with Wikipedia. It can be frustrating if somebody follows you around but if their edits are valid, it’s harder to make a case that you are being targeted. I haven’t gone through the whole edit History but if you provide some specific examples of where you think the other person is wrong, that would help your case. I do notice the new editor is not using edit summaries and I will notify them on their talk page to do so. And just a friendly suggestion - have you thought about registering with a user name? That will make it easier for people to communicate with you and ping you in responses such as this. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I have never registered completely on Wikipedia as I was never an avid user like you or certain other regular users like you as I was always busy working not having access to a computer. Its just during Covid times that I have been using it more and I am happy with the way that I am.

I am not saying that Kleo-Sine's edits are not 100% valid. However, I think my grammatical edits to Unforgotten, where I was not trying to be mean, got him a bit angry at me and, everytime I edit another page in the past couple of days, Kleo's always there to edit something on that page and then just now, he's gone through my recent edit history, editing here and there just like that. I am not sure if he will respond to the message that I wrote on his talk page or your message, perhaps. I just don't want to keep on editing and have this new editor, Kleo-Sine always ready to correct me an hour later. I am really getting so aggravated, I may throw in the towel, it's annoying. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 135.0.252.54 (talk) 15:29, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I put a polite notice on Kleo-Sine's talk page asking the editor to please add edit summaries. I noticed the editor removed your comment on their talk page without responding, and I pointed that out as well. If you feel your edits are being stalked, you're welcome to reach out again on their talk page, and if they don't respond, you can always follow the additional procedures outlined at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Good luck! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Trying to publish a draft.

Hello. I am trying to publish this article but it seems to be stuck as a draft and has not been reviewed since I edited it back in December.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anoushka_Lucas

I can see some of the references need revising but can't seem to change them either. Could really do with some help with this. Can you please advise? Many thanks Dolo85 (talk) 14:12, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I've fixed the first reference, by converting it from a bare URL to something like a proper citation. See Help:Referencing for beginners for how to do the others. (Incidentally – that source won't help much in establishing that the subject is notable, as it's based on things she said herself, and so not independent.) Maproom (talk) 14:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I looked and can’t find better sources to demonstrate notability. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Anthony Hunt Reference

I wrote an authorised biography of Anthony Hunt Structural Engineer: Dale, Nigel, Connexions: The Unseen Hand of Tony Hunt, 2012, Whittles Publishing ISBN 978-1-84995-030-5 following a series of meetings with AH, and full access to his archive. I have tried to include this reference, but the entry was removed. I can add plenty of additional material to the page. Please letme know what is required. Nigel PG Dale (talk) 14:29, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

can you add article JashonCuyler13 (talk) 14:35, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Anthony Hunt TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Your edit was undone as it completely messed up not only the article referencing but also the article headings as you can see here. I suggest you read Help:Referencing for beginners and practise inserting references correctly using the preview function in future.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:59, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

But, Nigel PG Dale, adding references to your own work is considered a conflict of interest, so rather than adding them directly to the article, you should make a formal edit request on the talk page, so that an uninvolved editor can look at it and decide what is appropriate. If you have other published sources about him, you could probably add material cited to those sources; but unpublished material can never be used as a source. As I say, it may be possible to cite material published only in your biography, but that must be decided by uninvolved editors. The fact that yours is an authorised biography immediately raises the question of how far it is an independent source. --ColinFine (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

When an article is made, what is the submission process?

Hi, I created an article and not on draft space per usual. Since it can't be submitted for review, was wondering how the review process for that is? Oceanic812 (talk) 15:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Oceanic812 If you directly create an article, it will be treated as any other new article; other editors may look at it and mark it for any issues that need to be addressed, or if they feel it merits deletion, can mark it for deletion. If you would prefer to run it through the review process, you may move it to Draft space and do so. 331dot (talk) 15:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

331dot thank you for your response. Does this mean that the article is already published when created under Articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oceanic812 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Oceanic812 Yes, the article is live and formally part of the encyclopedia. It may take time for search engines to index it, though. Note; pings or linking a username does not work unless you sign the same post in which you ping with four tildes(~~~~) (which you should do with all discussion posts, but never articles). 331dot (talk) 15:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Appears you have been doing both: submitting drafts to Articles for Creation, and creating articles directly in mainspace. In passing, tagging stuff as minor edits is for very small stuff, like correcting spelling, not for adding a ref or other larger changes. David notMD (talk) 17:03, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm trying to make an article but I have no idea what I'm doing

So a few days ago, I asked about notability and if the article I wanted to write's topic was important enough.

I got an answer that said if it has significant coverage, it can be an article.

after that I started researching the topic and found many sources I can use for information.

so today I started working on the article, but I have no idea what I'm doing.

I went through the Wikipedia adventure, but it doesn't talk about tables, info boxes, or anything like that.

does anyone know where I can learn to do that kind of stuff? Jajamanjaja (talk) 15:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Jajamanjaja. I suggest giving Help:Your first article a quick glance and then taking the Wikipedia:Tutorial. As you go through, you will find numerous links to more specific pages for aspects covered in the tutorial, including more detail on the specific issues you refer to, but given what you point at, please also see:

• as to tables: Help:Table, Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup/1 and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Tables;
• as to info boxes: Help:Infobox and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes;
• and even though you don't mention it, because citing sources (mostly reliable, secondary, independent sourcesTemplate:Z21) is truly the lifeblood of proper content and its writing: Help:Referencing for beginners, Help:Introduction to referencing/1, and then seeing Wikipedia:Citing sources for a more involved treatment.

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Jajamanjaja If as you said on your user page that "I also have no motivation so any article I create will probably be a stub" then you are most likely to fail with creating an article, as it is the most difficult thing to do here. Theroadislong (talk) 15:37, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I echo the advice given above but would also advise that you should start by keeping the draft article really simple: focus on writing enough to establish the notability, which varies according to subject but for which some pointers are given at WP:NOTABILITY. If the article passes the review process, then it can be moved by the reviewer into Main space and would be ready for further tweaks, addition of tables and infoboxes — some of which you may get help with from other editors who like to collaborate. The danger for a beginner is that they spend ages doing what are essentially cosmetic additions to an article that may never be accepted because the topic is not notable enough. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

wow, there's nothing like getting told your article will fail outright to make someone never wanna edit here again. Jajamanjaja (talk) 15:44, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

The alternative of putting all the effort in only to find out the same in the end seems a worse outcome...GRINCHIDICAE🎄 15:47, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

wait, I thought teahouse was a place of friendly assistance, i don't think telling new editors to quit is friendly. Jajamanjaja (talk) 16:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel disheartened, Jajamanjaja, but for a new editor to try and create a new article is one of the worst ways to get started. If you have you first violin lesson, would you expect to try and play a violin concerto? After your first French lesson, would you try and write an article for a French magazine? I remember when I started editing, I too desperately wanted to "make my mark" by creating a new article; but now I know that that is likely to be frustrating and unproductive for a new editor. We have more than six million articles in Wikipedia, and thousands of them badly need work. A new editor will add hundreds of times more value to Wikipedia by finding some existing articles that can be improved than by sailing out into the risky world of creating articles. --ColinFine (talk) 16:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

well I try to find new articles to improve, but most articles that need improvement are about topics I know nothing about, and i'm not the best at grammar or spelling so fixing those wouldn't really work for me. basically i want to edit articles but i can't find anything i can actually improve. Jajamanjaja (talk) 16:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Have a look at the Community portal, Jajamanjaja, and see if there's anything in the "Help out" section that grabs your fancy. For some of them, you don't need to have any particular knowledge of the subject, but they're an opportunity to learn how Wikipedia works. --ColinFine (talk) 17:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Question on Notability

Hi, I the author of a next generation of the Ingalls family that was the subject of Laura Ingalls Wilder's works. I would like to created a Wikipedia page for myself or the subject of my book which is my parents. I have had articles written about me and my book and would like to have a place where people interested in finding out more about me can go. Thank you Rleeingalls (talk) 15:37, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Related to Adminship

It is easy to become administrator? If so, how can I become? If it is not easy, could you please give me some tips and instructions to be followed by me in order to achieve the adminship? Kamilalibhat (talk) 16:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Kamilalibhat: It is not easy. Although the only firm rule is that you must be Extended Confirmed (500+ edits, and account at least 30 days old), you need to show you have the experience and policy knowledge needed for the role, as well as demonstrate that you have a need for the admin tool set. There is more info and links at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship RudolfRed (talk) 16:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: First of all thank you for the information you provided. It really helped! Now the question in my mind is that how can I become Extended Confirmed editor? Will it occur itself after I will cross 500 edits or I need to apply for that anywhere? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamilalibhat (talk • contribs)

@Kamilalibhat: Note that you can do probably 95% of things here without being an administrator. For the community to be convinced that you merit having the extra buttons(that's all being an "admin" is) you need to demonstrate a need for the tools; being an admin is not an honor to collect and nor does it convey any additional authority. 331dot (talk) 16:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: Really.thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamilalibhat (talk • contribs)

I would like to add that the admin job is more or less regarded as "swinging the mob". Being an admin can be a very unpleasen't thing to be, especially if you manage to make mistakes that are >a bit bigger< or involve potientally sensitive topics, as I've just seen the other day over at my home wiki. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

That's "swinging the mop", Victor Schmidt. Indeed, Kamilalibhat, I have been an editor for over 15 years, and made more than 18 000 edits, but I have never applied to be an Admin, because there's nothing I want to do that I can't. --ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Dear friend! Firstly thank you for sharing your experience with me and all those who are reading this. I just want to say that your experience on Wikipedia is more than my real age. As long as you feel satisfied being a simple editor, I would also like to be. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamilalibhat (talk • contribs)

I'm glad you feel welcome, Kamilalibhat. This is a friendly community, mostly. Can I recommend that you read Guidance for younger editors, if you haven't already? Not because you've done anything wrong! No, but because we are concerned that younger editors in particular know how to keep themselves safe here. --ColinFine (talk) 21:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

WikiPage to collect pages relevant to a sport Federation

Dear Wikipedia Friends, I'm acting on behalf of a sport international federation. We are thinking of creating/generating a WIKIpage, possibly called with the Federation Acronym which could collect all the wikipedia existing pages on matters relevant to the Federation field of action. Can anybody help me on how to proceed? Thanks in advance Njonjoskara (talk) 17:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Njonjoskara: The first thing you probbably want to do is to read the Terms of Use 'very, very carefully, especially its fourth section ("Refraining from certain activities"). Failure to do so can (and has been known to) result in attempts at creating pages on Wikipedia to turn out as a boomerang. After that, you want to remind yourself that nobody owns a Wikipedia article. If you are done with that, you cna follow these steps in order to create a new article. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

That does not sound as if it is anything like an encyclopaedia article, Njonjoskara, and so it does not belong in Wikipedia - see What Wikipedia is not. But it is possible that all the relevant pages are in an existing Category, in which case you can direct people to look at that category.You're welcome to have a page on your Federation's own website (not in Wikipedia) which contains links to all relevant Wikipedia articles. --ColinFine (talk) 17:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Related to Wikipedia Bots

I applied for the creation of my own Bot on Wikipedia. It has been a day since I applied. I don't know what has been done to that request. Is that request denied or approved? This question is stuck in my mind. I just want to know what has been done to that request? And where can I know about that? Kamilalibhat (talk) 17:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Please have patience, Kamilalibhat: Wikipedia is entirely run by volunteers, who work on it when they want to. Unusual requests, such as bot creation, could take several days for anybody to respond. --ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Once again thank you.

And now I look, Kamilalibhat, you haven't gone through the proper process to request approval, so it's likely that nobody will see your request or respond to it. Please read WP:Bots/Requests for approval. Note that you are very unlikely to be given approval unless you explain what task your bot will be used for. --ColinFine (talk) 17:35, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion request done properly?

Requested speedy deletion for Scott Liss. I want to make sure all relevant info and tags have been included in order to do this properly. Notability and significance are the primary reasons, secondary being dead links to cited sources. Thanks. H etching (talk) 17:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@H etching: Someone has contested the speedy delete. See Talk:Scott_Liss. You will need to go to WP:AFD if you want to proceed with the deletion. RudolfRed (talk) 17:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

It should be noted that in Special:Diff/999970976, H etching claims to be the article's subject. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Now at AfD. An under-referenced mess, but could plausibly be rescued rather than deleted. Two of Scott's albums are subjects of articles. David notMD (talk) 20:31, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hidden Categories

How do you configure a category to be hidden? 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 17:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC) 

@LightningComplexFire: There is a template to add to the category. See the instructions at Wikipedia:Categorization#Hiding_categories RudolfRed (talk) 17:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding a photo inside infobox

Hello, I have been making minor corrections to Wikipedia articles for years, and recently decided to add one of my photos to an article in French (on Kenneth Gilbert). After uploading to Wikicommons, I believe I followed the instructions to the letter, but in adding the photo the infobox was deleted, which a more experienced editor thankfully put back. Is there any way of knowing what I did wrong? I would like to add the photo to the article in English but am now spooked. Also, the article in French now shows the same photo twice, one underneath the other. 24.48.56.81 (talk) 17:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the English and French editions of Wikipedia are entirely separate projects, with (in some cases) different policies and processes, and mostly different personnel. If the picture is in Commons, there should't be any difficulty adding it to the en-wiki article. But one thing to beware of in Infoboxes: I believe they are not all consistent in the syntax they require for a photo. Most just want the filename (without "File:" on the front, but the extension - ".jpg" or whatever - is always required, and the case must be right). I believe that some do want the "File:", and there may be some that want a full Wikilink. Either look at the documentation for the particular infobox (eg Template:Infobox Sportsperson), or look at other examples of the same infobox. --ColinFine (talk) 19:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Daniel R. Nichols

I am new to editing and I have created a new page for Daniel R. Nichols, a Vietnam War hero. I think I am ready to publish it for your review, but I am having trouble going from the Sandbox to the publishing stage. Yar365 (talk) 18:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Yar365. I'm afraid you have made the common mistake of putting the draft on your User Page, not in your sandbox. If you create the latter, you can submit it from there. Or you can use the articles for creation process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

One comment on the draft is that readers would find it very difficult to verify what facts it contains since (for example) references 1 and 2 are to the home pages of their websites, not to the pages that have the actual information you are quoting. Without verifiability, showing the notability of the individual, the article won't be accepted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:25, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. I will work on the citations. Yar365 (talk) 21:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yar365 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Problem with Talk Page for Article "Assassination of Indira Gandhi"

Problem with Talk Page for Article "Assassination of Indira Gandhi"

Problem: It has no content, which seems highly unlikely. Or am I missing something?

I wanted to point out a discrepancy: One paragraph says an assassin used a "Sten submachine gun"; several paragraphs later it says a "Sterling sub-machine gun". Which is it?

Wikipedia username paulburnett 2601:643:8801:B70:B0A9:7003:8DEE:2F8B (talk) 19:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

If you have an account, remember to log in before posting so your posts are properly attributed to you. The talk page for the article in question is at Talk:Assassination of Indira Gandhi. Other than the notices at the top, it currently has no content. 331dot (talk) 19:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

It appears that past content has been archived to Talk:Assassination of Indira Gandhi/Archive 1, but no link to the archives are was provided on the main talk page. I've gone ahead and added it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Help for Wikipedia articles

Hello, as a person who suffers from Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity I wanted to know which sources were needed in order to add that fact to EMF-related articles

I especially wanted to add the EMF issues caused by Wi-Fi, 5G, 4G, 3G, 2G, etc, but each time I tried to add that information with reliable sources it got reverted.

For the record, I don't endorse people who make conspiracy theories about 5G causing autism or Covid 19, I just wanted to add actual facts from science websites to the article, not some opinion piece from Infowars or Prison Planet, you can verify that what I'm saying is correct by going to my contributions. I would like to know what was wrong with any of my revisions because I just don't get it, my problems are very real. -xShaun809 (talk) 20:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Acroterion has been reverting your article edits. A valid next step would be to start a discussion on A's Talk page, perhaps asking if A doubts the quality of your references. Alternatively, start a discussion on the 5G and 4G Talk pages. HOWEVER, given that the lead of Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity starts with "Electromagnetic hypersensitivity (EHS) is a claimed sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, to which negative symptoms are attributed. EHS has no scientific basis and is not a recognised medical diagnosis.", I consider it unlikely that any content can be allowed in the articles you have been trying to edit. David notMD (talk) 20:44, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Also, please stop shouting as you did over here, so it's easier to start discussions. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 20:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Assistance with rejected submission

Hello, an article that I have created, Draft:Malinda Kathleen Reese, has now been rejected on two occasions, despite input and cleanup from various editors (for which I’m very grateful). The article cites many reliable sources - multiple news articles, musical theatre magazines, etc., so I would be keen to know what more I need to do to establish notability and pass the review.

Many thanks in advance, Mojo0306 (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

To be clear your draft was declined twice not "rejected", being rejected would mean that it would not be considered further, being declined means there is hope. Some of your sources are not reliable I have left a comment on the draft. Theroadislong (talk) 20:47, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Texas Revolution

 Jayden Norwig (talk) 21:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jayden Norwig: Welcome to Wikipedia. Did you have a question? Suggestion regarding an article should go on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 21:39, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Please to create article about ROYAL PALM BEACH COLONY Partnership -FLORIDA which is missing from WIKIPEDIA. Mr. Harold Friedland , Jack Friedland, Leonard Friedland create now new city in WEST PALM BEACH FLORIDA.

Royal Palm Beach Colony Limited Partnership , Location, History , Owners and Management, Stein Management Co.INC, Hasam Realty Limited Par. Frost Irwin M, Company stock symbol , RPB, RPBCZ, YYGHA, RPAMZ, RPAML , Grand father rule, Cusip No:780908208, New Foreign Limited Partnership Royal Palm Beach -Florida . 2601:587:300:F750:7417:DCB7:4103:BB44 (talk) 21:52, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Please to research and create new EDIING to WIKIPEDIA.                           Larry Sulc -INVESTOR

How do I add a corrected image to an article

I am relatively new to this. In the zrticle for Irakion Air Station the quality of the jpg escutcheon used is taken from a scan of the subdued version used on the bdu uniform. I have a colored jpg copy of the actual eschutcheon which I received from the USAF history office. Buit, I can't figure out how to upload the image. Protopappas76 (talk) 22:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Blocked Message

What is the blocked message for this wiki? 2603:8000:EA43:F8F5:74A0:8C2E:ED4A:9D28 (talk) 22:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. Users may see different block messages, depending upon the reason for their being restricted from editing. These (and many others) can be found at Category:User block templates. Hope this gives you the information you seek. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:37, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Problem with Talk Page for Article "Assassination of Indira Gandhi"

Problem with Talk Page for Article "Assassination of Indira Gandhi"

Problem: It has no content, which seems highly unlikely. Or am I missing something?

I wanted to point out a discrepancy: One paragraph says an assassin used a "Sten submachine gun"; several paragraphs later it says a "Sterling sub-machine gun". Which is it?

Wikipedia username paulburnett 2601:643:8801:B70:DCB5:E874:3EB2:C0A2 (talk) 22:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)