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You need to stop!
You are not improving articles. I just took a look at a few of your contributions. Is English your first language? The Yisroel Spira article is now worse than it was before you edited it. You took out substantial portions and just ruined the prose. Same with the Shmuel Kaminetzky, for example, "He was born to his father Yaakov..." That is not encyclopedic. Please use the sandbox or talk page before making changes that ruin the articles. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸(talk) 14:30, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- If you want to add an infobox, then do so but don't majorly change the article when you do so and don't claim it's just infobox changes. You kept on removing vital information. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸(talk) 14:33, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- You may or may not be correct about "He was born..." Try this one: Moses. Yes, I do add infoboxes where appropriate, but I never remove "vital" information, especially not in an underhand way, as you have accused me of doing. I do indeed remove laborious repetition of the same facts, and honorifics ad nauseum. Do you enjoy reading those? What vital information have I removed? Can you provide a single example? StonyBrook (talk) 15:00, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- For example, by Spira, you just left one sentence that he was liberated in 1945, the original wording had him in one camp then transferred and escaped, more information to the editors. By Kamenetzky, the lead already had that he is the son, so there is no need to mention it again. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸(talk) 15:51, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- No, read my Spira again. It's all there, except for one superfluous and unnecessary word about the Janowska camp - "infamous." In Kamenetsky, I just moved the reference to his father from the intro to the body, where it belongs. So are you going to reinstate my edits, or will I have to get other editors involved in this? StonyBrook (talk) 16:00, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- For example, by Spira, you just left one sentence that he was liberated in 1945, the original wording had him in one camp then transferred and escaped, more information to the editors. By Kamenetzky, the lead already had that he is the son, so there is no need to mention it again. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸(talk) 15:51, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- You may or may not be correct about "He was born..." Try this one: Moses. Yes, I do add infoboxes where appropriate, but I never remove "vital" information, especially not in an underhand way, as you have accused me of doing. I do indeed remove laborious repetition of the same facts, and honorifics ad nauseum. Do you enjoy reading those? What vital information have I removed? Can you provide a single example? StonyBrook (talk) 15:00, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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Removal of categories from redirects
Hi, just noticed you'd removed a few categories from various redirects and added them to the main articles, such as Murders of Alison Parker and Adam Ward . This is actually not inline with Wikipedia policy and the original situation was the correct one. It may seem somewhat confusing, but putting it simply, this is becasue a "murder of...." is an event and not a person and thus any person-related cats go on the redirect pertaining to the victim(s) rather than on the main article. See WP:RCAT for more info, thanks.--Shakehandsman (talk) 05:34, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Shakehandsman: Thanks for following. I was directed to do this here. StonyBrook (talk) 05:39, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- Quite a few editors don't fully understand Wikipedia's polices on redirects, so perhaps you have been misinformed. FYI I'm not "following" you, I had one of the articles in question on my watchlist and thus I saw it being changed. Anyway, I'll try to fix the issue and restore the pages back to their original form.--Shakehandsman (talk) 05:55, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, a little more explanation. As per WP:RCAT, the issue is that of "Redirects whose target title is incompatible with the category". If a category concerns people (e.g. murder victims), then you cannot have an event in that category (such as "murder of") - that category can only ever contain names of people. As per the guidance it "should not look out of place on a category page". Now, it's often the case that more than a few pages are indeed wrongly categorised and you do sometimes see "murder of" pages in categories about murder victims. However, this is just a case of pages that need fixing - I've fixed several hundred myself over the last couple of years.--Shakehandsman (talk) 06:04, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Shakehandsman: I agree that logic, never mind policy, lends itself to the conclusion you are saying. As a matter of fact I was doing the same thing beforehand. My only concern is that User:Nthep, an admin no less, also saw what I was doing and instructed me to do the opposite. Might we be able to run this by him as a courtesy just to make sure we are all on the same page? StonyBrook (talk) 06:21, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- sorry but you're going to have to remind me of the previous interaction as I don't recall it. Nthep (talk) 09:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Nthep: I had been working on the redirect Leiby Kletzky, moving personal categories such as Category:Kidnapped American children and Category:Murdered American children there from the target Murder of Leiby Kletzky. You noticed that and said name redirects should only be categorized if the target Murder of X is a completely different name. So after I started switching personal cats to same-name Murder of X targets, Shakehandsman said that was wrong, citing WP:RCAT. I tend to agree with him on this, but I don't understand his placing of redirects in Category:Deaths by person in the United States, which seems to me to correlate more toward Murder of X. So who is right? P.S. Someone recently has been adding things like Category:2002 births to Murder of X targets. P.P.S. I have seen both redirects and targets in the same category, which just seems wrong. StonyBrook (talk) 00:22, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Rereading WP:RCAT I was probably incorrect in September 2016 in removing the categories from Leiby Kletzky, if that has caused you confusion since then I apologise for that. The other issues I have no opinion about and you might want to take those to WT:RCAT. Nthep (talk) 18:41, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Nthep: I had been working on the redirect Leiby Kletzky, moving personal categories such as Category:Kidnapped American children and Category:Murdered American children there from the target Murder of Leiby Kletzky. You noticed that and said name redirects should only be categorized if the target Murder of X is a completely different name. So after I started switching personal cats to same-name Murder of X targets, Shakehandsman said that was wrong, citing WP:RCAT. I tend to agree with him on this, but I don't understand his placing of redirects in Category:Deaths by person in the United States, which seems to me to correlate more toward Murder of X. So who is right? P.S. Someone recently has been adding things like Category:2002 births to Murder of X targets. P.P.S. I have seen both redirects and targets in the same category, which just seems wrong. StonyBrook (talk) 00:22, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- sorry but you're going to have to remind me of the previous interaction as I don't recall it. Nthep (talk) 09:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Shakehandsman: I agree that logic, never mind policy, lends itself to the conclusion you are saying. As a matter of fact I was doing the same thing beforehand. My only concern is that User:Nthep, an admin no less, also saw what I was doing and instructed me to do the opposite. Might we be able to run this by him as a courtesy just to make sure we are all on the same page? StonyBrook (talk) 06:21, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, a little more explanation. As per WP:RCAT, the issue is that of "Redirects whose target title is incompatible with the category". If a category concerns people (e.g. murder victims), then you cannot have an event in that category (such as "murder of") - that category can only ever contain names of people. As per the guidance it "should not look out of place on a category page". Now, it's often the case that more than a few pages are indeed wrongly categorised and you do sometimes see "murder of" pages in categories about murder victims. However, this is just a case of pages that need fixing - I've fixed several hundred myself over the last couple of years.--Shakehandsman (talk) 06:04, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- Quite a few editors don't fully understand Wikipedia's polices on redirects, so perhaps you have been misinformed. FYI I'm not "following" you, I had one of the articles in question on my watchlist and thus I saw it being changed. Anyway, I'll try to fix the issue and restore the pages back to their original form.--Shakehandsman (talk) 05:55, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Nomination of Simcha Eichenstein for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Simcha Eichenstein is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simcha Eichenstein until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
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- Hi!. I want to say that I hope you'll agree to move Simcha Eichenstein to your user space, until the election. I can see that we both joined Wikipedia at about the same time, and, like you, I have mostly added content. But I also create articles and edit regularly at AfD. I started editing at AfD after a few of my articles were nominated for deletion, it helped me figure out what needed to be available on a topic to pass our standards for notability. But it also helped me understand why some editors seemed to be attacking my edits. Digging deeper into the Wikipedia editing system has made me respect it more, but, on some topis, less. In areas like Israel/Palestine, terrorism, and efforts to add crank scholarship about how organized gangs of Jews murdered large numbers of innocent Polish villagers during the Nazi occupation of Poland to Wikipedia articles (I'm not making that last example up,) Wikipedia can be appallingly partisan and far anything resembling objectivity or fact. But when it comes to the policy of not hosting articles on candidates for office like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julia Salazar, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Summer Lee, or Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jovanka Beckles, our policy really is pretty rational. Mostly, however, I'm writing because I hope that nothing I wrote in the discussion makes you stop editing. We really do need good editors. Cheers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for tolerating my need to play by the rules. So many editors don't, even in articles about stuff that you wouldn't think heats emotions, like an article on a Jerusalem restaurant [1].E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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Ethnicelebs.com as a source
Hi StonyBrook . I noticed that you recently used ethnicelebs.com as a source for biographical information in Robert Schwartzman. Please note that there is general consensus that ethnicelebs.com does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. (See User_talk:XLinkBot/RevertList#EthniCelebs.com). If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 18:40, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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| Originally, I was not the one who added to the towns. I have just recently. In any event thank you for your wisdom. Do you do Wikipedia write ups? I was recently signed to a national TV acting contract and am looking for a Wiki writer. Any advice? Regards William Caesar Augustoni (talk) 03:51, 28 October 2019 (UTC) |
- Hello William Caesar Augustoni and welcome. Please read these important Wikipedia policies. I will add a little advice if I may. The acting contract sounds great, it will certainly get you some exposure, and then one of your fans will eventually write an article about you. Thank you for your interest in this encyclopedia. StonyBrook (talk) 04:11, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
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January 2020
Hello, I'm SummerPhDv2.0. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, La Raza Nation, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. SummerPhDv2.0 21:01, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- I added a source and repaired the broken links. StonyBrook (talk) 21:17, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Captions
These are normal throughout Wikipedia. --2604:2000:E010:1100:59E1:64F7:19CB:406F (talk) 03:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- While there is not an absolute prohibition to add a short caption with the year, as in "Rackman in 2005", it boils down to taste; I don't see it as critical to know the exact year when the picture was taken, since the rabbi is clearly presented as being elderly here, and there is less surprise with that than if it had been taken in his 20s, where some explanation might be warranted. Adding the name in the caption could be perceived as being redundant and distracting since the template already provides for the full name above the image. This Wikipedia guideline seems to concur:
Other images (especially within infoboxes) where the purpose of the image is clearly nominative, that is, that the picture serves as the typical example of the subject of the article and offers no further information – no caption needed.
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Murder of Missy Bevers
When I saw your edit about flashing lights from a car, I thought it first it had to be that old hoax about it being part of a gang initiation ritual. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:38, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
- Mr. Vernon I thought you might be curious to know that there is an article that discusses this. StonyBrook (talk) 07:15, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
- Of course there is. Wikipedia! --Mr. Vernon (talk) 07:21, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
copyvio tool
Thanks for the review of Frieda Rapoport Caplan at DYK. What's that copyvio tool you linked to? I haven't seen that before! --valereee (talk) 14:09, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Oh...so it's a list of reported cases, and the progress being made on them? --valereee (talk) 14:11, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Your welcome, it was a good read. As for the tool, I don't remember how I found it, but it was only because Earwig wasn't working at the time, and it did provide a smidgen of information. StonyBrook (talk) 20:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Question about edit regarding Agunah
Hello StonyBrook, I am a bit confused by your edit here and the subsequent username and promo warnings on User talk:AdmanG. I am not seeing it. Could you please explain how they are promotional? Also, how does "Orthodox practice" factor in here? Thank you for your time, TheSandDoctor Talk 18:57, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- AdmanG (talk · contribs) (read: Ad man G, or Advertising man G) appeared to me to be a WP:SPA, with only one edit to their name, that introduced links to a law firm in what was an otherwise ok submission. The problem was that the paragraph was placed in an inappropriate section of the article, to imply that this litigation marked a change in the Orthodox rabbinical approach to the purported agunah problem (a change in approach may only be accomplished through rabbinical deliberation, not activism of laypersons). No evidence was given for this in said paragraph, so after removing the spam links I moved it to the Activism section. StonyBrook (talk) 21:21, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- I see. Thank you. --TheSandDoctor Talk 05:59, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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Oviedo
Hey,
I wanted to clarify as I just noticed there was previously a minor edit war on the individual I added to the notable person list in Oviedo, Florida. I did not mean to get involved in the edit war, and I see for that reason you want clear notability for the individual, but with that being said, I have added a reliable source to his notability from a leading newspaper in Spain and a primary source from his entertainment group stating his hometown as Oviedo, so I think he is good to stay on the list at this point.
Just wanted to be straight up with a fellow bochur. Let me know if there's any yiddishkeit-related articles you want help with.
Gut yontif,
HillelFrei• talk • 23:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Hi.
I wanted to let you know Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's ancestry is Yoruba (Nigeria) so that's why I removed him from Trinidadian and Tobagonian Americans article.
I hope you understand my explanation.
Cheers.
Risk34• talk • 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- Nope, I don't understand your explanation. He can be both.[2] StonyBrook (talk) 06:19, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Goldstein surname page
Thanks for your helpful information on blue links, this finally explains why some pages have a million links and some pages have none! (a wikipedia mystery solved at long last)
According to the style-pages you linked, a couple of exceptions do appear necessary to me. The first would be Seventh Day Adventist (Clifford Goldstein) which is not a very large sect and lots of people don't know who they are. That seems especially pertinent on this page, where people might just assume it is a Jewish sect. (In addition, the fact that the SDAs have always been relative 'outsiders' within Christianity is notable here; that will specifically interest some folks about Clifford.) The other exception is the term "Tcheriner Rav" (Nachman Goldstein), which I tried to look up myself, and can't find adequate explanation... so a link is definitely required but there ain't no page about it! Somebody needs to write this page and if you are knowledgeable, maybe you can?? :D Nominating you, my dude! Seriously though, this could use some clarification for those of us completely unaware of the term.
PS: If you are interested in criminology, check out Elaine Parent, whom I have become newly acquainted with. Not a great page, mostly I just concentrated on finding some stories about her. You are welcome to drop in!
Thanks again, cheers and have a great weekend. PB57 (talk) 13:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- PumpkinButter, not really, because all of the ancillary information about the sects can be readily found by just clicking the links to Clifford and Nachman and reading their articles. That is where every unknown term needs to be blue-linked, not the list. But thanks for your reply; in the future, you may answer on your talk page, since I am watching it—this keeps the discussion in one place. Best, StonyBrook (talk) 06:38, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
May 2020
May 2020
Hey Stony,
Newbie here, appreciating the direction. I removed content from Sexual abuse cases in Brooklyn's Haredi community because that case wasn't relevant to Brooklyn - it was from Toronto. --Sorinam (talk) 22:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for writing, Sorinam and welcome to the 'pedia. That is a fair point you bring up, but I notice that Nussbaum had involvement with a New York camp, which might have a Brooklyn connection, so I think it's okay to keep it. As an aside, it is highly recommended to leave an edit summary to every edit large or small. It is helpful to the rest of us to understand the nature of those edits so a decision can be made whether to double-check them or not. There is a list of abbreviations commonly used to make it even easier. Happy continued editing. StonyBrook (talk) 23:46, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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Discussion at Category_talk:Orthodox_rabbis_from_New_York_City#This_category's_description_is_wrong_and_subcats_need_to_be_fixed.
You are invited to join the discussion at Category_talk:Orthodox_rabbis_from_New_York_City#This_category's_description_is_wrong_and_subcats_need_to_be_fixed.. I wrote about the categorizations, and I think it needs more discussion because we can't have YTV and YU as all under the US or even NYC because it doesn't make sense. Sir Joseph (talk) 04:53, 23 July 2020 (UTC)Template:Z48
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Bob Wells thanks
Thanks for making the Bob Wells page. I was in the process of putting a page proposal on the talk page today, then I see the page was just made. Dana60Cummins (talk) 10:31, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Your welcome. It's been percolating in my head for a while. StonyBrook (talk) 10:42, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
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Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:03, 26 January 2021 (UTC)