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Re:fights on the 80th military base

Dont use my talk page to discuss with User:Tienouchou, you have your own talk pages or the article talk page to discuss your disagreements, and also I dont have entered that discussion.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 18:54, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re:NPOV/johnsy88 talk page post

Wow, simply incredible, you are trying to accuse me of POV-pushing or something similar because my talk page userboxes? And you seriously state that because of that I couldnt made edits on Battle of Aleppo and other Syrian civil war articles? Are you serious? First, the NPOV policy applies to the users edits, not to the users personal pages. Theres something that perhaps you dont know that is called freedom of expression. If your twisted and crazy allegations were followed, all users with "controversial" userboxes had to be banned from editing, wich would be, apart from non-sense, a fascist discrimination (something I suppose you would like) of hundreds if not thousands of WP users. Second, you shouldnt be accusing others when your attitude, edits, and personal page is algo questionable (former British Army soldier, most edits on fascism-related articles, and using 88 (what means in far-right circles HH-Heil Hitler) in your nick. That smells like some ultra ideology instead of apolitical, huh?. And third and final, User:Tienouchou (as any other user) has all the right to ask other editors to express their opinions on an article or its talk page, wether you like it or not.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 10:04, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

HCPUNXKID In layman terms i will try to explain this again as clearly you have taken it completely the wrong way.

You are editing a page which relates to all the the previously mentioned user tags on your profile. This will be deemed as controversial and will be brought up as WP:POV if taken the wrong way by any user they will report this as such and the obvious consequences will follow. THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON YOUR BELIEFS which apparently you believe it is. This is a factually based observation which you have taken the wrong way.

2nd: My post about POV was in relation to the edits made on the Battle of Allepo article and its relation to your user boxes. Not towards your user page directly nor your talk page.

3rd: I am not a "fascist" nor have i made accusations in any form and by carefully reading the grammar and context of my message on your talk page you will see this

4th: If you have an issue with my username or feel that i am in breach of POV then i would suggest you report it through the correct channels.

I am not here to WAR with you in any way nor start tit for tat arguments. I am simply pointing out a fact and trying to help you. If you decided to take my advice or not is up to you but i would ask that you remove your comment from my talk page that i am a "former British Army soldier, most edits on fascism-related articles, and using 88 (what means in far-right circles HH-Heil Hitler) in your nick. That smells like some ultra ideology instead of apolitical" as this is a personal attack and if it is not removed i will raise this issue with the admins. If you feel that i am a fascist then look at my youtube page under "the holocaust" and decide for yourself. Johnsy88 (talk) 10:20, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your non-sense comments are astonishing to me, really. Let's be clear:
  • 1st: If someone dont like my personal page userboxes, its his/her problem, not mine. Also, that dont disqualify me to edit whatever article I want, related or not with my userboxes. As I said before, that would disqualify thousands of WP users to edit articles, wich would be unfair, undemocratic and illogic. Finally, if you cant understand that WP:POV refers to editing articles, I dont know what more to say, sincerelly.
  • 2nd: Could you point where I have accused you personally of being a "fascist"?. I simply said that banning someone on editing articles related to his/her userboxes is a fascist attitude, and I maintain that opinion. Also, I pointed that your personal page could be questionable, as you said of mine's, exposing facts, not personal opinions: You are a former British Army soldier (or that's what you assure on your personal page), many of your edits are on fascism/anti-fascism articles (see your edits historial), and your nick contains the 88, wich in far-right circles means HH-Heil Hitler. All that combination of facts could made many think that you are not apolitical, but otherwise have some ultra ideology (wich is not the same as fascist, I suggest you to look at the dictionary). That doesnt mean that I assure or feel that you are "fascist" (wich I dont have done), but it wouldnt be rare that someone think that. So, Im not gonna remove nothing, so if you have any problem with it, report it.
  • 3rd: Your actions (engaging in discussions and edit-wars with many users) doesnt fit with your declaration "I am not here to WAR with you in any way nor start tit for tat arguments". And what to say about "I am...trying to help you", curious manner of "helping" someone who had not talked previously to you, engaging him in arguments, and threatening with reporting him to administrators, I dont want to think what you do with people that you dont try to help... I would suggest you to try to improve WP articles (wich is what I, and I expect the majority of WP users are here for) instead of trying to discuss and have problems with any other user.

--HCPUNXKID (talk) 00:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

HCPUNXKID Thanks for your prompt reply in this ongoing discussion. I would like to say always strive to improve rather than detract/war when editing articles which i feel is in the best interests of WP (something i have learned from many years of editing WP and realising that personal attacks and opinion pushing gets you nowhere but i digress lol).
As i already stated before, I believe you are making a direct implication that i am a fascist by implying that i have an "ultra ideology". I believe that this "attack" is proved by this comment "fascist discrimination (something I suppose you would like)" in which you (in brackets) support your claim on an "ultra ideology" by implying that i would enjoy fascism. I also believe that your comment that i have made "twisted and crazy allegations" is also uncalled for as the latter is clearly anything but either twisted or an allegation in any form.
I personally believe that the aforementioned is a personal attack (i believe this is because you have taken constructive criticism the wrong way) AND once again i am asking you would please remove this from my user page. If you do not comply with this i will be forced to report this as a personal attack WP:NPA. I would also like to point out again that i have not threatened you at any point and have simply tried to help you to understand WP policy and the NPOV policy. Johnsy88 (talk) 07:04, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

March 2014

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Your recent editing history at Amanda Knox shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. Binksternet (talk) 23:28, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to point out that you were past 3RR and suggest not editing further. But you just reverted and are at 5RR. Please look for a post on WP:EWN shortly. Ravensfire (talk) 23:34, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit warring at Amanda Knox

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The full report of this case is at the 3RR noticeboard. EdJohnston (talk) 02:01, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

contribs)‎ . . (34,074 bytes) (+98)‎ . . (Again reverted back to sources. No consensus is needed because it is clearly stated that conviction stands. This is stated in sources in black and white. DO NOT 3rr" in an attempt to stop 3rr followed by a request to "(Go to talk. Do no start an edit war. Provide a source that says she was not convicted and prove this in talk. Then revert when you have proven your case in comparison to black and white facts. WP:BOLD)" (this can all be seen in the WP:Amanda knox-edit history page) at which point the users simply reverted again (as the have been doing for many weeks with other users) and stated in TALK:"Not interested in arguing with someone that won't consider other views and will aggressively push their view into the article. This is something that has been extensively discussed here and on the MoMK page. For now, see the WP:EWN report. Ravensfire (talk) 23:40, 5 March 2014 (UTC)" The fact of the matter remains that with regards to this article the sources are clear in stating the conviction. I am asking for my ban to be reverted due to the fact that this "3rr" comes under WP:NOT3RR "Removal of libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced contentious material that violates the policy on biographies of living persons (BLP). What counts as exempt under BLP can be controversial. Consider reporting to the BLP noticeboard instead of relying on this exemption" and is a 3rr exception because the reversions by users:Ravensfire/Binksternet clearly provide no evidence thus coming under "poorly sourced contentious material" 25162995 (talk) 09:04, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

You were edit warring. You have shown that you have no interest in collaboration, because your opinion is RIGHT and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong, and you have explicitly stated that you do not intend to accept consensus. Your attempts to wikilawyer round the subject, and represent your refusal to accept Wikipedia policies as based on some higher and superior reading of policy is not more convincing here than it was on the article talk page or on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:39, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]


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Request reason:

I do not believe that i am being a "wikilawyer" when i am following the rules this website clearly specifies with regards to one of its core principles which is WP:V. My edits/reverts were done because the information in the lead of the aforementioned article is poorly sourced contentious material based on opinion with no verifiable source to back up (unlike my highly verifiable sourced data from three of the world leading news providers). I would also reiterate that no matter how arrogant i sound in affirming i am as you call it "RIGHT" this if checked is actually the case due to the fact the other reverting editors claim "no consensus" and yet have no verifiable sources to back up there supposed consensus. Therefore i feel that upholding the block and the accusations of my supposed "superior reading" is tantamount to WP:NOPUNISH due to the fact that i have not been disruptive. Failing this appeal i will to take the issue to WP:ARB and submit my case via email. 25162995 (talk) 15:02, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

You were unambiguously edit warring. Feel free to attempt to get ArbCom to validate your edit warring. Or just stop doing it; the latter will be much easier. --jpgordon::==( o ) 15:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]


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Request reason:

You claim i was edit warring and yet provide no feedback on the fact that the reversions by the two other users who reinstated opinion with no verifiable sourced information-I dont believe its edit warring and in future i will do exactly the same again in the same circumstances where black and white verifiable fact outweighs outsourced POV because i believe that my actions were WP:NOT3R as stated before 25162995 (talk) 15:36, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Pledging to resume in the behavior = you're doing it wrong. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:58, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]


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You were edit-warring. Read this link: Wikipedia:Edit warring. That is pretty black-and-white verifiable fact.

Oh, and proclaiming that you'll continue edit-warring when your block expires pretty much guarantees that said block will become permanent, so I'd rethink that statement if I were you: blocks are not punitive, but preventative, and this would be a textbook case for an indefinite one. --Calton | Talk 16:57, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I never once said i would continue edit warring. I said i would revert if i saw it as WP:NOT3R which is exactly what this case is. Evidently you and other admins care only about trivial edit wars and not the exact ins and outs of this case which shows an extreme example of why people may distrust WK in general or be put off from actually editing. 25162995 (talk) 17:15, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Edit-warring to force your version when multiple editors disagree with you will not help. You'll end up blocked and lose any chance to further make your points. You're in a dispute and there are better ways to try and resolve it. You've got a couple of noticeboards that might help (WP:BLPN and WP:NPOVN are the two most likely). Also read through the various dispute resolution options. After your block expires, please don't try to force your version into the article. Yes, be WP:BOLD, but you also need to discuss. WP:BRD, remember? Bold change that gets Reverted means Discussion. Ravensfire (talk) 17:28, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Its not "my version" its a citated verifiable fact in black and white which admins clearly ignore. 25162995 (talk) 17:30, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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