Talk:Six-Day War

Sources for the Israeli side:

Israeli military considerations

In the first days of June ... as did the sense that the Arab states might launch an attack within days There was particular fear of a limited Jordanian or Jordanian-Egyptian offensive against Eilat. (Morris, victims, p. 310)

Israel's defence forces were confident of victory in any conflict with the Arab states, and military leaders provided prime minister Eshkol with alarmist information to persuade him to support an attack. Roland Popp, "Stumbling Decidedly into the Six-Day War", Middle East Journal, Vol. 60, No. 2 (Spring, 2006), p. 297

Moshe Dayan ordered the censor to maintain a fog of war and insist Egypt was attacking Israel, to prevent external pressure from forcing Israel to stop the attack on Egypt. (SEGEV, loc 6599)

Israeli generals viewed Syria as Israel's foremost enemy and thought it should be attacked forecefully in a large-scale military operation. Israel's press was recruited to support this view in the eighteen months leading to the Six-Day War. (SEGEV, loc 3801)

An abundance of remarks by Israelis made plain that Israel may strike Syria (SEGEV, loc 4463)

The idea that Israel might seize additional territory came up repeatedly during the mid-1960s in confidential discussions between Israeli generals. (SEGEV, loc 3426)

Israeli diplomatic and political steps

"In private, Eshkol had sent Nasser secret messages urging deescalation. In public, he continued to assert Israel’s peaceful intentions, call for international mediation, and avoid criticism of Egypt. This reinforced the existing image of Egyptian military superiority — if Israel wanted to avoid war, it was presumably because Israel thought it would lose" (Shlaim, Louis, 2012,The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences, p66 )

Nasser seems to have been encouraged by the fact that Israeli rhetoric condemning the Tiran blockade and subsequent developments was relatively mild. Even the fact that the United States counselled restraint was interpreted as an attempt to protect Israel from Arab wrath — and therefore as further evidence of her need for protection. (Shlaim, Louis, 2012, p68 )

Although Eshkol denounced the Egyptians, his response to this development was a model of moderation (Mutawi p. 93)

the leaders of the confrontational states were caught by complete surprise when Israel took their threats at face value (Shlaim; Louis2012, p. 63 )

Nasser appeared to challenge Israel to a duel (Shlaim; Louis2012, p. 7 )

During the lead-up to the war, David Ben-Gurion expressed the view that neither Egypt nor Syria, but Israel itself was responsible for the crisis. Moshe Dayan agreed with him (SEGEV, loc 4587 + loc 5213)

The military maintained that Israel must strike first, and regarded the build up of Egyptian armed forces in the Sinai peninsula and in the Red Sea as a casus belli.

Mr Eshkol initially refused, holding out for international assistance that never arrived but finally he relented and ordered an attack on June 5. Sharon considered 1967 coup to force war with Egypt

Egyptian OOB

> The Egyptian forces consisted of seven divisions: four armoured, two infantry, and one mechanized infantry.

This does not agree with ["Order of battle for the Six-Day War" article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_battle_for_the_Six-Day_War#Egyptian_Army) and [map used by the section](https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/1967_Six_Day_War_-_conquest_of_Sinai_5-6_June.jpg).

OOB article suggests that it's backwards (four infantry, two armored, one mechanized):

• 2nd Infantry Division – Maj. Gen. Sadi Naguib
• 3rd Infantry Division – Maj. Gen. Osman Nasser
• 7th Infantry Division – Maj. Gen. Abd el Aziz Soliman
• 20th PLA Division Gaza – Maj. Gen. Mohammed Abd el Moneim Hasni
• Infantry Brigade (Ind) – Brig. Mohammed Abd el Moneim Khalil

• 6th Mechanized Division – Maj. Gen. Abd el Kader Hassan (on map as infantry division, but that's probably fine)

• Task Force Shazli – Maj. Gen. Saad el-Shazly (on map as armored division)
• 4th Armoured Division – Maj. Gen. Sidki el Ghoul
• 1st Armoured Brigade – Brig. Hussein Abd el Nataf
• 125th Armoured Brigade – Brig. Ahmed El-Naby

Question about picture

Why are we using a picture in french on the English Wikipedia? IsraeliIdan (talk) 20:03, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Which one? Gog the Mild (talk) 20:35, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: The main one, its not in English. IsraeliIdan (talk) 09:05, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

@Zvikorn: I see what you mean. Sorry, I should have spotted that. No (obviously), it should ideally be in English. It seems to be a passably accurate map though and IMO Non-English is better than no map. That said, if you were to post a request here asking if the French map could be turned into one with a similar format to the other maps in the article I think that you will find them very helpful. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:08, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Agreed that it's better than no map, but I don't think it's better than the one that was previously there, which was in English. If this map were also in English, then it might be better. But, until this map is translated, I'd recommend reverting LightandDark2000's edit from April 19, 2019, which replaced an English-labeled map with this one. I would make the change myself, but I can't due to this article's protection level. Vbscript2 (talk) 19:56, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Well now. Personally I prefer the map showing the military manoeuvres, even if it is not in English. As I said above, the best solution would be suggest this to the Map Workshop. I shall ping that well known expert on military maps, Amitchell125 to enquire as to what their advice might be. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:35, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Facts missing from article

I am sorry but the article is in a terrible state. I cannot edit it for not having an account, and would not be able to alter it anyhow due to it being locked so only the long-term POV pushers (so-called "confirmed editors") can play about with their own narratives. The biggest problem with the article is its failure to explain why the war lasted six days. 188.29.191.29 (talk) 16:16, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Did the first phrases of this article get removed or something?

It should first say what the war is before moving to outcomes right? Woutersmet (talk) 22:54, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Typo

There is a typo on the first paragraph where it says UAE instead of UAR. BalladeCracker (talk) 14:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 November 2020

I would like to add a piece of important information.

Israel was able to secure a victory thanks to the secret help provided by former Moroccan King Hassan II. According to an Israeli former military intelligence chief, King Hassan ll sharpened Israel’s edge by providing secret recordings of Arab leadership discussions on war plans. Alama-laura (talk) 09:27, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

References

 Not done for now: The sources and the request are mismatched. Stating that the Israeli military "was able to secure a victory" because of Hassan's cooperation is overstating the sources. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:14, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

These sources confirm that the Israelis had very good intelligence that they were in an extremely strong military position. Worth adding in to the article. Onceinawhile (talk) 23:12, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Removal of requests for sources

@Watchlonly: Please explain your revert: [1] In particular, how you think it is in compliance with WP:V. ImTheIP (talk) 22:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Sources are in article. Lede is supposed to summarize the article. I told you. Your drive-by tagging is unnecessary and not helpful at all.--Watchlonly (talk) 01:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

If sources are in the article, it should be easy for you to add them. Now read WP:V carefully and please stop following me around on Wikipedia. ImTheIP (talk) 02:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

You added tags for the known facts that there are controversies regarding the origins of this war (for which there's a link to an entire article full of information and sources) and that Israel conquered the Sinai. You're not being serious and you are wasting our time. You are engaging in a clear case of WP:Blue. Also, have you ever heard the phrase the world doesn't revolve around you? I have better things to do in Wikipedia (even more so in life) than following you.--Watchlonly (talk) 03:12, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Here is the relevant policy: All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable. All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material. Wikipedia is a volunteer effort and if you think locating sources is a waste of time, feel free to stop contributing. However, you don't have the right to interfere with others who are trying to improve Wikipedia. ImTheIP (talk) 03:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Sure, keep "improving" Wikipedia by adding pointless tags in lede.--Watchlonly (talk) 03:31, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Moroccan help

In 1965, King Hassan ll passed recordings to Israel of a key meeting between Arab leaders held to discuss whether they were prepared for war against Israel. That meeting not only revealed that Arab ranks were split — heated arguments broke out, for example, between Egypt’s president Gamal Abdel-Nasser and Jordan’s king Hussein — but that the Arab nations were ill prepared for war, Maj. Gen. Shlomo Gazit told the Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper over the weekend. https://www.timesofisrael.com/morocco-tipped-off-israeli-intelligence-helped-israel-win-six-day-war/ Tony Yammine 2004 (talk) 11:31, 5 March 2021 (UTC)