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Improvement needed

The article needs substantial editing: there are spelling mistakes, ambiguous pronouns ("... Banerjee enlisted ex-con Ray Colon. He wanted ..."), etc.

The article consists mostly of sentences that are short and choppy ("The man was an FBI informant."), or wordy, flowery and sentimental ("An ever devoted family man, Banerjee took his own life by hanging himself in his cell during the early morning hours ..."). In short, it reads like a popular true crime paperback.

No references are mentioned, either.

Hello please I would like to reference my article on Mr. Somen "Steve" Banerjee. It is well documented about his background from our country. A Bengali immigrant who created this dance group. [[1]] please comment. Thank you.

Hello Wikipedia world I added a helpful link to explain the Bengali heritage of Mr Somen Banerjee however I do not recognize the other person referenced in this history article. Mr Nahin. I have nothing in my notes with Mr Banerjee showing he was also the owner. Can someone help me please with documentation? Most thankful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amoli rose (talk • contribs) 01:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chippendiddys

What about a brief paragraph concerning the 1995 spin-off boy-troupe in Great Britain, called the Chippendiddys? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.145.90.130 (talk) 05:40, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Banerjee article

I think this Banerjee person should get his own entry, for the Chippendales article is more about him than the dancers themselves.

I agree. Too often his authorship has been tampered with and there's a special story to his creating this iconic brand. Ericmalibu 23:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the name

Hope someone knows where the name came from. Was it from a town, or is there any connection with the furniture-maker? 217.166.94.1I named it after the furniture in the club called Destiny II..Bruce A nahin

Alledgely it comes from the Chippendale-style furniture present at the original club though this may very well be apocryphal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.55.239 (talk) 13:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I worked for Steve Banerjee directly. From my experience in promoting Chippendales worldwide working with two, bi-coastal public relations firms, working with employees who were there in 1979 - Banerjee came up with the name Chippendales from looking through magazines. Banerjee came up with the name himself. He always liked playing with names and words since English was a third language for him. Banerjee was a creative genius and saw marketing potential quickly. The inside joke at the time when I was working at Chippendales is that the furniture never existed in the club. I welcome conversation or talk by my fellow editors. I propose a consensus to change this statement to "Steve Banerjee came up with the name Chippendales by seeing the name in a magazine. It sounded feminine to him and would attract a female audience." Ericmalibu 01:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can answer just about any question on Chippendales and its origin. I was there and spoke to Steve on a daily basis. During a renovation of Destiny 2 there were 2 pieces of furniture put into the club. Chippendales-like. It is true that Steve was always looking thru magazines and what was trending at the time. He was very aware of what people thought. I would not say he was in any way a creative genius, but he was aware of what was happening. He alone came up with the name Chippendales. But the dancing itself .. he did not come up with. Wondering if the above is Gilbert. He was there .. after I was.

Chippendales article

I think this article is fine under Chippendales, but if it is under Chippendale dancers, then the article should be about the current/past dancers, not the origins of Chippendales.

I moved this back to Chippendales, but what a mess this article is. It reads more like a tabloid story. Stuff not related to the club should be in the individual biographies. Let's make the article about what it says it is. DJ Clayworth (talk) 15:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking the initiative. What was the address of the original club? it was on overland Ave north of Venice in Los Angles California( the Palms area)Bruce A Nahin Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 15:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, this article has ONLY biographical details about the owners. Nothing about the club itself, OR the dancers, except in the very first sentence. ("Chippendales is a nightclub best known for its erotic male dancing.") -- megA (talk) 11:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How does one go about "Distancing the company from its somewhat risqué past", when it remains a strip act? It will always be porography, not merely risque. If they keep their clothes on it may be toned down to the level where it could be called only risque!

Removing Cleanup tag

I did a heavy copy-edit on this article and brought it up to WP standards, so I removed the Cleanup tag. I had to excise a lot of detail and would be glad to have it back if it were cogent and to the point. This still need in-line sources, and the article really should not have been kept around so long without them. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 02:37, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article needs rewritten

This article has so many problems, it would be better to completely rewrite it. The article does not explain the basic concept of The Chippendales, instead focusing solely on the early history of the act. There are too few sources. I would like to give this article a fresh start by replacing the content with a translation of the better German Wikipedia article.- Gilliam (talk) 04:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Could you develop your proposed article in userspace, so we can see the two side by side? Thanks! -Anirvan (talk) 03:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Poorly written articles occur when the author tries to circumvent pertinent information, such as the exact location of the first Chippendale club and a fleshing out of the history and its general embracing by mainstream American culture. The problem with this article stems from the writer having difficulty admitting the United States isn't the world's most oppressive conservative evil empire, after all. You have to read between the lines to understand why this article is so lifeless. --MarioSmario (talk) 21:28, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a writer but would love to have our true story told..perhaps I do need my own page? anyway feel free to contact me at bruce.nahin@gmail.com for any questions you need answered — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.129.121.119 (talk) 16:09, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The Chronogical Dancers

Hey, can you please have all chronological former dancers names with the year of the beginning and the end? I want to credit the dancers because I like the Chippendales, it such an amazing group, it's not the first time that I doing that, the first one was deleted by a person because it was "poorly written and uncited." So, I create a new one and I'm waiting for more former names! ♡ Sunnyrxse (talk) 16:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sunnyrxse: Hi. You need to add references for the list otherwise it's likely to be deleted again. --John B123 (talk) 17:48, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Removal of "co-owner Destiny II" Line

Information to be removed or subtracted: "and attorney Bruce Nahin purchased" Should read: Chippendales was founded in 1977 when Somen Banerjee, owner of Mobil gas stations in Playa Del Rey, purchased a backgammon club called "Destiny II" on 3739 Overland Avenue in Culver City, California.

Explanation of issue: I cannot edit this directly because of COI. I was a former employee under Steve Banerjee at Chippendales. I do not recognize the recent addition of Bruce Nahin's name as the co-owner of Destiny II. Steve Banerjee was always one hundred percent the owner of Easebe Enterprises and the full owner of Destiny II at that club address (3739 OVERLAND AVE , LOS ANGELES, CA, 90034). (Pronounced "S-B" as in the initials of Banerjee's name) as I was responsible for promoting Chippendales so I knew the history of the club. To verify my request I have submitted the California Alcohol Beverage Control board license for the nightclub at that time listing Easebe Enterprises as the owner. I welcome Talk and discussion about this proposed change with my fellow editors.

References supporting change: https://www.abc.ca.gov/licensing/license-lookup/single-license/?RPTTYPE=14&COMPANY=Y&LICENSEE=Easebe+Enterprises

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericmalibu (talk • contribs) 22:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately the reference only shows Easebe Enterprises enterprises as the owners of the club. It doesn't give any insight as to the owners of Easebe Enterprises. --John B123 (talk) 22:52, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Have reverted back to an older version which says nothing about a purchase. Have changed year to just "late 1970s" since it was unsourced and your year was different from the two other ones already in the article. Note that your link is a primary source. What sources could we use to rewrite this barely sourced history section? I see that almost all facts have been added through the years by opposing WP:COI editors. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Have now rewritten the section from scratch. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Þjarkur and Thjarkur: Thanks Thjarkur. That reads cleanly. There were a lot of unsourced statements in the previous version. Steve "Somen" Banerjee was the owner and creator of this club and brand.

@John B123: Hi John. I believe the license is a valid verification of the club ownership. Easebe Enterprises was one hundred percent owned by Steve and Irene Banerjee. The phonetic pronunciation of Easebe is Banerjee's initials "S B". In California the liquor license follows the owner of the property. I can show Easebe Enterprises was owned by Steve Banerjee. Should I cross reference this? Would that help? Thanks. Ericmalibu 01:23, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
​Wikipedia can't use government records as a source since they are a primary source. We try to only reflect secondary sources such as newspapers and books. – Thjarkur (talk) 08:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Þjarkur and Thjarkur: Thank you Thjarkur for your response. I did read the definition of a primary source and there is no listing of government documents as being a definition. I beg to differ that a state issued alcohol license in the name of "Easebe Enterprises" is invalid. Can you point to me the exact phrase in the primary source page? My account of Chippendales history because I am an actual participant is a primary source and therefor exclusionary. I have access online to proof that Easebe Enterprises was owned by Steve "Somen" Banerjee and his wife Irene. I would like to post this link to Easebe Enterprises as a request to edit or add this statement. Thank you. Ericmalibu 12:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ericmalibu: In reply to your email, I'm not an admin and this page is one of many on my watchlist hence my involvement. I have no doubts about your sincerity or your desire to have an accurate article. Unfortunately, "I was there at the time" carries little weight on Wikipedia. (I know there are inaccuracies in many articles about motorcycles of the 1960s and 70s, but my experience of working at a motorcycle dealer for most of the 70s doesn't count if I can't find reliable sources to back up what I know to be the case). Establishing ownership of Easebe Enterprises would go a long way to resolving this situation. Regards. --John B123 (talk) 15:06, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@John B123: Hi John B123. I thank you for clarifying how I can research this claim further for adding. I will work on this. Also I welcome other editors to get involved in this history page with their own reliable sources for an active discussion so we can make this Chippendales history a really trustworthy and interesting page to read. Thanks. Ericmalibu 16:28, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Invite Editors to Discuss and Contribute Chippendales History

Hi fellow Wikipedia editors. I would like to invite a discussion of what statements to add in the Chippendales History article that are fact based with citations or verifiable references. I am an ex-employee so I have to abide by the COI guidelines. However I can contribute through the request edit template with verifiable sources and I can offer information and help through this Talk page. If you are an ex-employee or former contractor, please abide by the COI guidelines set forth by Wikipedia. If you are a paid editor please disclose your relationship. We want a trustworthy article that is fair, neutral and fact based. Not a PR vehicle or an advocacy for someone's role. Please feel free to contribute and discuss. Thank you. Let's make this an interesting article to read. Ericmalibu 00:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Need a Consensus Amongst Editors: Add Banerjee as 100% Shareholder of Easebe Enterprises

Hello fellow Wikipedia Editors:

I have researched that the U.S. Court of Appeals, 2nd Circuit recognizes Banerjee as the sole shareholder of Easebe Enterprises (phonetically pronounced "S B" as in Steve Banerjee). I am hoping everyone who comments is of a neutral point of view. There has been quite a bit of vandalism on this page through the years in regards to false, unsourced claims by editors who are COI under different puppet names changing facts for the sake of advocacy or promotion. Now that the history page has been cleaned by consensus through reverting to a neutral point in time: my intent is to bring resourced facts to the Chippendales History article from a neutral point of view. Again respecting my own COI position but doing this openly and under the rules of COI. Hopefully we can discuss this in the spirit of Wikipedia if you have any questions or comments before I submit a request edit template for approval. Thank you. Ericmalibu 00:36, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have also been doing some research. Sources giving Bruce Nahin as the founder/co-founder seem to have originated from Nahin himself and are more recent than the contemporaneous sources giving Steve Banerjee as the founder. Whilst you could argue the reference above only shows Banerjee was the owner at a later date, not in the early stages, I'm comfortable that Nahin had no significant involvement with the club.
Following on from the reference above, it would be useful if the significance of Unicorn Tales, Inc and Chippendales Universal, Inc. were brought out in the article.
Perhaps Nahin deserves a mention towards the end of the article along the lines of "Film director Bruce Nahin later claimed to have been the founder of the Chippendales". --John B123 (talk) 16:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your feedback John B123. I appreciate it. Yes. Unicorn Tales was Nick De Noia's video company for children's videos and that would be significant to add. And I can research the company video credits. I would like to submit this and the California liquor license as a template to authenticate Steve Banerjee's ownership. The question of shareholder holdings at the formation of the corporation can be resolved by getting the articles of incorporation from California. Personally, I know Banerjee was always the full shareholder, however we can meet that level of scrutiny if you wish. In addition, I can research newspaper articles from that era. It would be nice to put to rest any further claims to authorship of Chippendales.
If it gives the article fairness and we want to be fair and neutral, I agree to state Mr Nahin's self described claim at the end of the article as a "later claim", but I think it needs to include that it is "unverified" unless Mr Nahin can provide documented proof.
But I will further research Easebe Enterprises articles of incorporation. Thanks. Ericmalibu 17:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I also have video footage interview of Banerjee telling how he started Chippendales himself dated 1986. This was featured on NBC "Mysteries & Scandals". Perhaps you can advise how we can share this as source material. Thanks. Ericmalibu 17:00, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ADD EASEBE ENTERPRISES AS STEVE BANERJEE

Information to be added or removed: Steve "Somen" Banerjee created Easebe Enterprises in 1975 when he owned Mobile gas stations in Playa Del Rey. Easebe Enterprises is listed with the Secretary of State of California as being a corporation owned by Steve and Irene Banerjee. In 1977, Easebe Enterprises is listed by the California Alcohol Beverage Control board to be the owner of the club at 3739 Overland Ave Culver City, California. This club was originally Destiny II but then changed the name to Chippendales in 1979. Shareholder ownership of Easebe Enterprises, a California corporation, held by Banerjee is reaffirmed by the U.S. Court of Appeals 2nd Circuit in 1998. Explanation of issue: Researched incorporation with California Secretary of State and researched the California ABC board to show the background to Easebe Enterprises and Steve Banerjee's ownership. Researched U.S. Court of Appeals, 2nd Circuit listing Banerjee as owner of Easebe Enterprises. References supporting change:

Secretary of State of California document Easebe Enterprises
File:EASEBE ENTERPRISES 1975.png
Shows incorporation by before Destiny II purchase.

I would appreciate that there be a discussion of this heavily researched request by any editors involved and not summarily dismissed. Please if you have dismissed a prior request to edit by me, do not patrol my request to edit to summarily dismiss again. I think this topic deserves the attention of a neutral and uninvolved editor. If I cannot receive a fair and impartial review, I will have to seek a 3O. Thank you for your consideration. Ericmalibu 21:28, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ericmalibu:. Hi. Following on from our discussions above, I'm happy for you to make the edit. --John B123 (talk) 22:37, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@John B123: Thank you John B123. Ericmalibu 23:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Have removed, is an extreme amount of detail that is irrelevant to mention in an encyclopedia if no secondary sources have thought this to be important enough to mention. The article is fully clear with its current wording of saying that Banerjee founded it. We also never use government primary sources like this. "...this heavily researched request", this is what we are referring to with no original research. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
{ping|Þjarkur|Thjarkur} Hello. May I cross reference a July 30th, 1994 Los Angeles Times newspaper article to the statement that "Banerjee owned Chippendales"? https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-07-30-me-21593-story.html Thank you Ericmalibu 15:49, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
​Hi, the above ping didn't get through since it was missing some curly braces ({{}}). I don't think it's necessary to mention specifically that he owned it, the article already says that he founded it, bought it, and ran it (which is the same thing the LAtimes source says). – Thjarkur (talk) 14:33, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

COI EDITOR

Just an FYI for all concerned. I am a COI editor on the Chippendales page because of my past employment. However I do have editing authority over any non-controversial elements including removing vandalism and cleaning up grammar as per my admin. I intend to make edit requests using the request template. I intend to make sure this page is neutral and fair but also verified. Thank you Ericmalibu 04:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]















Request to remove the sentence in Patrick Swayze and Chris Farley's "Saturday Night Live" Chippendales spoof skit. The skit was discussed during a horseback ride between Nahin and Swayze. Explanation of issue: Statement written by Nahin, himself about himself is COI and compromises OR (Original Research) without verification. There is no independent verification of this event. References supporting change: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chippendales&diff=prev&oldid=579066691

Ericmalibu 17:27, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done – Thjarkur (talk) 17:59, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Þjarkur and Thjarkur: Thank you Thjarkur. Ericmalibu 19:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion to Remove Kindle, Self Published Reference Material

Hello fellow Wikipedia Editors. I would like to open a discussion to remove self published, Kindle book material from the Chippendales article. Specifically "K. Scot Macdonald and Patrick MontesDeOca: Deadly Dance: The Chippendales Murders Kindle Edition" The title and author's name are spelled wrong. Do we allow Kindle self published works to be listed as reference materials? Ericmalibu 19:54, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Þjarkur: Hello Þjarkur. Thank you for your excellent tutelage on this page. Can you answer whether Kindle books are valid references on Wikipedia? I wanted to propose removing a Kindle book on the Chippendales page because it was self published. Regards. Ericmalibu 14:06, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for not responding before. The book is also available in paperback, so the issue is not with Kindle. Both versions are published by Kerrera House Press, which seems be be run by Macdonald so I would say it is without doubt self published so not a reliable source. --John B123 (talk) 15:25, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for that clarifcation John B123 Ericmalibu 17:17, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion to Add Monday 13 December 1993 Independent Article: Banerjee Arrest

Hi Wikipedians, I would like to open a discussion to add a reference link to the British Independent Monday 13 December 1993 article on Steve Banerjee's arrest. Is this a valid source for stating some facts related to the Chippendales owner and founder's arrest? https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/cyanide-in-the-beefcake-somen-banerjee-inventor-of-the-chippendales-stands-accused-of-much-more-than-1467195.html Many thanks for an open discussion. Ericmalibu 14:25, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chippendales History Vandalized - Notice to Restore to August 29, 2020

@Þjarkur:
@John B123:

Hello Wikipedians. Sadly the history page for Chippendales has been vandalized multiple times in December to assert an undocumented narrative to promote certain individuals. Multiple entries have been made by editors with no history and some with COI. Inserting IMBD reference links which is not a Wikipedia valid reference. I am correcting the vandalism and restoring the page to August 29, 2020 that a senior editor had established as a clean reference page. Even though I have COI with this subject matter as Eric Gilbert, I can remove vandalism by restoring the page to a point in time established by senior editors. I will wait for feedback and discussion before doing this. Please comment if you have an issue with restoration. Thank you Ericmalibu 14:07, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done – Thjarkur (talk) 14:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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